What Kind Of An Ambassador Are You?
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I'm not so angry about anyone's particular beliefs... whether they be aligned with mine, or totally skewed from it. What angers me is the targeting of a teen. Sure, I see much that may be heading off down a path that Demi is going to have to correct in future years. So what?
Many of us Jackasses are so far off in our Theology that it is unbelievable. But we are stupid, stuck-in-the-mud adults who stubbornly cling to some things we think we need to help us survive. This is seldom the case with teens. They will often head off in all sorts of weird directions.... but they are sampling, adjusting, and developing.
I will probably always verbally smack the ____ out of adults who go after teens like they deserve it for being Heretics, or something. They are looking, wondering, testing, venturing out, learning, and what they "deserve" is our patience and help.
Many of us Jackasses are so far off in our Theology that it is unbelievable. But we are stupid, stuck-in-the-mud adults who stubbornly cling to some things we think we need to help us survive. This is seldom the case with teens. They will often head off in all sorts of weird directions.... but they are sampling, adjusting, and developing.
I will probably always verbally smack the ____ out of adults who go after teens like they deserve it for being Heretics, or something. They are looking, wondering, testing, venturing out, learning, and what they "deserve" is our patience and help.
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God also says that Godly sorrow leads to repentance.
If one is not sorry about their sin, they are more likely to become happy or at least accepting of their sin and continue in it not repenting at all.
2 Corinthians 7:10
For godly sorrow works repentance to salvation not to be repented of
Romans 2:4 doesn't say that form of repentance leads to salvation not to be turned away from where 2 Corinthians 7:10 does say that.
It's always odd when those that are seeker sensitive like to speak of the scripture that says the goodness of God leads to repentance (Romans 2:4), but never mention Godly sorrow leads to repentance as well
If one is going to discuss what causes people to repent, both need to be spoken of otherwise they just being cherry pickers.
So, the question comes down to... do we represent Truth (God's Word is Truth), or do we represent marketing to get someone to listen to our favorite preachers or to attend out church???... you know, to be a part of the "movement" one may be involved with?
If one is not sorry about their sin, they are more likely to become happy or at least accepting of their sin and continue in it not repenting at all.
2 Corinthians 7:10
For godly sorrow works repentance to salvation not to be repented of
Romans 2:4 doesn't say that form of repentance leads to salvation not to be turned away from where 2 Corinthians 7:10 does say that.
It's always odd when those that are seeker sensitive like to speak of the scripture that says the goodness of God leads to repentance (Romans 2:4), but never mention Godly sorrow leads to repentance as well
If one is going to discuss what causes people to repent, both need to be spoken of otherwise they just being cherry pickers.
So, the question comes down to... do we represent Truth (God's Word is Truth), or do we represent marketing to get someone to listen to our favorite preachers or to attend out church???... you know, to be a part of the "movement" one may be involved with?
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Godly sorrow is the reaction of the one repenting. God's goodness is the Holy Spirit Conviction that causes Godly sorrow.
BTW Proverbs 16.6 also shows us this and is rightly divided with 2 Cor 7.10
Proverbs 16.6:
By lovingkindness and truth iniquity is atoned for,
And by the fear of the Lord one keeps away from evil.
One cannot have the fear of the Lord until they receive knowledge[revelation] about their sinful condition, which is revealed by the Holy Spirit through goodness, mercy and truth.
BTW Proverbs 16.6 also shows us this and is rightly divided with 2 Cor 7.10
Proverbs 16.6:
By lovingkindness and truth iniquity is atoned for,
And by the fear of the Lord one keeps away from evil.
One cannot have the fear of the Lord until they receive knowledge[revelation] about their sinful condition, which is revealed by the Holy Spirit through goodness, mercy and truth.
In both (2 Corinthians 5:20) and (Ephesians 6:20), Paul says that he and his co-workers were Ambassadors of Christ. Notice how it didn't say, "for" Christ. It is because we as simple Christians in our New Creations are still simple Christians in our New Creations. And, as James describes it we have all things worthwhile in us due to it coming down from the Kingdom of Heaven.
An ambassador is one sent by a particular authority to contact certain people. The faithful believers (faithful meaning keeping the horse before the cart; or God always leading us by way of His Spirit communicating with ours),are ambassadors sent by God, the Highest Authority in the Universe. They are one with God, representing God to carry out His purpose in Christ on this earth.
Now that sounded, even to me, to be a dry sermon, like the one's I slept thru as my Dad was a pastor. But this call is anything but dry, it is our New Supernatural Normalcy we live even in the trenches and in the "so-called" ordinarinesses of our earthly life. We walk around as Co-hiers with Christ (always), as His Children representing (always) God's Kingdom. The question is, "are we always looking up, as to who we are?"
Love is one of the things that are above where Christ is ... which we, as Christians, shouldalways seek in our present life
In saying that we should do the things of the heavenly life in this earthly life, we are not to infer that the common work of this world is unworthy. We use the words “secular” (not meaning here sinful) and “spiritual”sometimes in a way that disparages what we call secular. We talk about the secular affairs of a good man, or of a church, as if they were not sacred, at least as if they were of a lower order than certain other kinds of work which we call “spiritual.” We need to guard ourselves carefully in making such distinctions, lest we do dishonor to men or women who do as holy and as worshipful service in their common, daily task-work, as they could do if their lives were devoted to “spiritual service.” In other words: we are ambassadors in Church, but even more so in our common (secular) work places.
The Scripture says not a word against what we call secular business. Jesus did not ask thathis disciples should be taken out of the world – he asked rather that they should stay in theworld, and that they should be kept from the world’s evil. It is as much a duty to earn one’sdaily bread as it is to pray.
The holiest duties of earth are often times found in places which seem unheavenly. It is the heart that makes any service sacred or reverent. One may be a Janitor and please Christbetter, get greater blessing, be a better citizen of heaven, than another who is a “ministerof the gospel,” busy with insistent duties. We must never forget that the Son of God cameto earth and spent thirty years in what we would thoughtlessly call secular work. While hetoiled at his carpenter’s bench, his heart was in the holy of holies. He was in communionwith the Father all the while he was wrestling with the axe, hammer and saw. Let no one call thecarpenter work of Jesus unholy – it was pleasing to His Father.
When we seek to do the things that are above, where Christ is, most of us find the bulk of ouroccupation in common tasks and duties. Tomorrow we shall have to rise early and go to ourbusiness, and there will be no dishonor, no irreverence in our most diligent devotion to thesetasks and occupations.
It may seem an impossible life to which this message calls us, but no divine command evercalls one to an impossibility. ... Seek the things that are above where Christ is, and your lifewill grow here into the beginnings of heavenliness as the days pass.We need to see this call of Ambassadorship as not an exception to the rule of life, or even a higher honor than that of our position in Christ living our lives thru Him. For basically these are one in the same. For as God speaks, so too does Jesus, and as Jesus speaks, so too does the Holy Spirit, and as the Holy Spirit speaks, so too does our spirit speak to our soul, as long as we are listening, and the message is all the same - "The Great Commission." (Matt.).
It is not an exception to serve as Ambassadors of Christ; yet it is a honor given by God Himself. But it happens when we buy a cup of coffee at 7-11. When we shop at our grocery store and help the older lady pick-up that 20 lb. Turkey we are given opportunities to represent Christ.
As we go from what we think are the important points "A"'s to point "B"'s - we are His Ambassadors, and many times the most effective, in-between those points. We need to remember we not only represent Him as a worker, but we represent Him when we sin, as a fallen Christian to the world. That should bring emotion to our spirits immediately as much as the lost and dying being reconciled to God.
An ambassador is one sent by a particular authority to contact certain people. The faithful believers (faithful meaning keeping the horse before the cart; or God always leading us by way of His Spirit communicating with ours),are ambassadors sent by God, the Highest Authority in the Universe. They are one with God, representing God to carry out His purpose in Christ on this earth.
Now that sounded, even to me, to be a dry sermon, like the one's I slept thru as my Dad was a pastor. But this call is anything but dry, it is our New Supernatural Normalcy we live even in the trenches and in the "so-called" ordinarinesses of our earthly life. We walk around as Co-hiers with Christ (always), as His Children representing (always) God's Kingdom. The question is, "are we always looking up, as to who we are?"
Love is one of the things that are above where Christ is ... which we, as Christians, shouldalways seek in our present life
In saying that we should do the things of the heavenly life in this earthly life, we are not to infer that the common work of this world is unworthy. We use the words “secular” (not meaning here sinful) and “spiritual”sometimes in a way that disparages what we call secular. We talk about the secular affairs of a good man, or of a church, as if they were not sacred, at least as if they were of a lower order than certain other kinds of work which we call “spiritual.” We need to guard ourselves carefully in making such distinctions, lest we do dishonor to men or women who do as holy and as worshipful service in their common, daily task-work, as they could do if their lives were devoted to “spiritual service.” In other words: we are ambassadors in Church, but even more so in our common (secular) work places.
The Scripture says not a word against what we call secular business. Jesus did not ask thathis disciples should be taken out of the world – he asked rather that they should stay in theworld, and that they should be kept from the world’s evil. It is as much a duty to earn one’sdaily bread as it is to pray.
The holiest duties of earth are often times found in places which seem unheavenly. It is the heart that makes any service sacred or reverent. One may be a Janitor and please Christbetter, get greater blessing, be a better citizen of heaven, than another who is a “ministerof the gospel,” busy with insistent duties. We must never forget that the Son of God cameto earth and spent thirty years in what we would thoughtlessly call secular work. While hetoiled at his carpenter’s bench, his heart was in the holy of holies. He was in communionwith the Father all the while he was wrestling with the axe, hammer and saw. Let no one call thecarpenter work of Jesus unholy – it was pleasing to His Father.
When we seek to do the things that are above, where Christ is, most of us find the bulk of ouroccupation in common tasks and duties. Tomorrow we shall have to rise early and go to ourbusiness, and there will be no dishonor, no irreverence in our most diligent devotion to thesetasks and occupations.
It may seem an impossible life to which this message calls us, but no divine command evercalls one to an impossibility. ... Seek the things that are above where Christ is, and your lifewill grow here into the beginnings of heavenliness as the days pass.We need to see this call of Ambassadorship as not an exception to the rule of life, or even a higher honor than that of our position in Christ living our lives thru Him. For basically these are one in the same. For as God speaks, so too does Jesus, and as Jesus speaks, so too does the Holy Spirit, and as the Holy Spirit speaks, so too does our spirit speak to our soul, as long as we are listening, and the message is all the same - "The Great Commission." (Matt.).
It is not an exception to serve as Ambassadors of Christ; yet it is a honor given by God Himself. But it happens when we buy a cup of coffee at 7-11. When we shop at our grocery store and help the older lady pick-up that 20 lb. Turkey we are given opportunities to represent Christ.
As we go from what we think are the important points "A"'s to point "B"'s - we are His Ambassadors, and many times the most effective, in-between those points. We need to remember we not only represent Him as a worker, but we represent Him when we sin, as a fallen Christian to the world. That should bring emotion to our spirits immediately as much as the lost and dying being reconciled to God.
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As the originator of the thread let me help you.... Part of the reason I posted it was to try and get people to take an inventory of their relationship with God and if they feel as though they are being the kind of ambassador that would bring honor to God. Part of what got me to post the thread was an attack on a teen because she has a different belief than some others. So do we teach, attack or should we love and lead? And what was the result? What kind of an ambassador are You?
Discuss among yourselves....
Discuss among yourselves....
As the scriptures says in Ephesians 4:31 - Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, outcry and slander, along with every form of malice. Be kind and tender-hearted to one another, forgiving each other just as in Christ God forgave you. Believers fighting amongst themselves aren't a good representation of Christ. Many people in the world weren't blessed to come from loving homes. So if they see believers displaying love for eachother that can lead them to accepting the Lord in their lives.
And... today's false grace / seeker sensitive popular TV preachers that so many seem to be idolizing these days... never mention 2 Corinthians 7:10 cause they don't want to offend anyone or hurt anyone's feelings which they would risk if they talk about anything anybody may be involved with as being sunful...
They want to be liked and popular above all else so they do not teach what God's Word teaches that there are some things that if a person is doing in their lives... will in fact result in not inheriting the Kingdom of God (righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost) so this is salvation critical according to what God says in His Word simply because there is no darkness in Him:
Galatians 5:18-21
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Corinthians 6:9,10
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
They want to be liked and popular above all else so they do not teach what God's Word teaches that there are some things that if a person is doing in their lives... will in fact result in not inheriting the Kingdom of God (righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost) so this is salvation critical according to what God says in His Word simply because there is no darkness in Him:
Galatians 5:18-21
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Corinthians 6:9,10
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
I guess I do have at least one pet peeve... and it's this: Jesus did not say "the truth will set you free"
Here's what Jesus actually said:
John 8:31,32
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free
It's good teachable moment when some says 'the truth shall set you free' (which the world quotes all the time in error) and I say, "That's not what Jesus said"... and after they get all bent out of shape, I quote what Jesus actually said.
Then, they get mad and say I'm splitting hairs... and I get happy and tell them "no, you just hearing part of what Jesus said as though it's no biggie to not pay close attention to what Jesus says!"
Nothing personal towards Stephen63 due man... just wanted to point out the whole thing Jesus was saying
If we do not continue in His Word... the truth will at some point quit making us free cause, we would have quit continuing in His Word. OSAS people hate that part but they continue to argue with Jesus over it
Here's what Jesus actually said:
John 8:31,32
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free
It's good teachable moment when some says 'the truth shall set you free' (which the world quotes all the time in error) and I say, "That's not what Jesus said"... and after they get all bent out of shape, I quote what Jesus actually said.
Then, they get mad and say I'm splitting hairs... and I get happy and tell them "no, you just hearing part of what Jesus said as though it's no biggie to not pay close attention to what Jesus says!"
Nothing personal towards Stephen63 due man... just wanted to point out the whole thing Jesus was saying
If we do not continue in His Word... the truth will at some point quit making us free cause, we would have quit continuing in His Word. OSAS people hate that part but they continue to argue with Jesus over it