what was the purpose of the law?

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gotime

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To be honest, I knew what sin was before I knew what the 10 commandments were, or before I was saved. I didn't know what it was, but I knew something was wrong. That's what made me hunger and thirst for righteousness. So it wasn't the law that convicted me of sin, but the holy spirit. When I believed and read the law then I had more clarity. Once I saw what the greatest law is, I saw clearly.
Yes indeed praise God. I agree. The law still serves that purpose it is the role of the spirit to convict of sin and this starts before one comes to a full knowledge of sin by the law.
 
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Galations 3:19

What, then, is the purpose of the laws given to Moses? They were added to identify what wrongdoing is. Moses' laws did this until the descendant to whom the promise was given came to Abraham. It was put into effect through angels, using a mediator.

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Jesus is the law perfectly shown. He kept them all out of love.
 
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Romans 3:19
Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
 
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By the way Davids sin had grave results. priest and a city was put to death because of it. Jesus said it was unlawful. he does not say it was ok.

Yet what the priests were saying about the disciples was actually not against the law of God which stipulated that one could indeed do what they were doing.
The priests' deaths didn't have anything to do with what David did apart from his presence in Nob (I think that's the right name). It had everything to do with Saul and his sin.

Jesus didn't condemn David. So it was OK what he did. The priests in the temple violated the sabbath and were blameless. Law doesn't have life in itself. It's like running a stop sign. It's not a problem as long as no one gets hurt and no damage is done and a cop doesn't see you. The law itself is not going come chasing after you. It takes an enforcer. If GOD doesn't enforce the law, and is just, then who are we to find fault?
 

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I see it a bit like this.

People who have a drug addiction wont really seek help until they understand that they have a drug addiction.

The law points out our sin thus our need of saving. The law itself does not and cannot save us. But Christ does. here is the crux.

The law points out our need, we are sinners thus our need is to no longer be sinners. Jesus answers the problem by giving us victory over sin by faith in His Grace and the power of the Holy Spirit.

Mat 1:21 She will give birth to a son, and you are to name him Yeshua, [which means `ADONAI saves,'] because he will save his people from their sins."
 

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The priests' deaths didn't have anything to do with what David did apart from his presence in Nob (I think that's the right name). It had everything to do with Saul and his sin.

Jesus didn't condemn David. So it was OK what he did. The priests in the not a problem as long as no one gets hurt and no damage is done and a cop doesn't see you. The law itself is not going come chasing after you. It takes an enforcer. If GOD doesn't enforce the law, and is just, then who are we to find fault?
I think that logic falls apart when you examine how many times sin in the old testament goes un-rebuked by god yet He has else ware said not to do it. and every time bad results come from it. one can not make an argument from silence especially when there are clear commands from God. a clear command trumps silence every time.

no sin is ok with God, Yet God does not rebuke and intervene every time someone sins. does that make it ok?
 
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Jesus is the law perfectly shown. He kept them all out of love.
Did he really keep the law, or walk in the spirit? I really think that Jesus didn't pay much attention to the law. The law was made for sinners. Jesus, though under the law, was above it. That's why he was the lord of the sabbath.
 

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David lied and bad results came from that lie as it was His lie that caused the priest to do what was unlawful and thus become a target of Saul. Jesus does not say it was ok he says it was unlawful.
 

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Did he really keep the law, or walk in the spirit? I really think that Jesus didn't pay much attention to the law. The law was made for sinners. Jesus, though under the law, was above it. That's why he was the lord of the sabbath.
maybe this is an issue of words. Did Jesus keep the law. yes clearly but why? it was not because he read it and went Oh I better keep this. no rather He was love and love keeps the law by defalt.

He did not keep it to be saved or better he kept it cause he was love.
 
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I think that logic falls apart when you examine how many times sin in the old testament goes un-rebuked by god yet He has else ware said not to do it. and every time bad results come from it. one can not make an argument from silence especially when there are clear commands from God. a clear command trumps silence every time.

no sin is ok with God, Yet God does not rebuke and intervene every time someone sins. does that make it ok?
Sin is never OK, but it is the miracle of grace that GOD chooses to pass over the punishment we deserve because justice has been served on a substitute. Unmerited grace.
 
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maybe this is an issue of words. Did Jesus keep the law. yes clearly but why? it was not because he read it and went Oh I better keep this. no rather He was love and love keeps the law by defalt.

He did not keep it to be saved or better he kept it cause he was love.
Agreed. He fulfilled the law because he lived it, not because he followed it.
 

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Sin is never OK, but it is the miracle of grace that GOD chooses to pass over the punishment we deserve because justice has been served on a substitute. Unmerited grace.
I think of it this way. as you said sin is never ok, it killed our Lord. no one wants to keep on walking in the very thing that hurt the one they love. It is our love response that keeps the law. We don't obey Cause its in a law. We obey cause we love. love fulfils the law.
 
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David lied and bad results came from that lie as it was His lie that caused the priest to do what was unlawful and thus become a target of Saul. Jesus does not say it was ok he says it was unlawful.
The priests became a target because Saul's henchman saw David at the tabernacle and reported it to Saul. It had nothing to do with David eating the bread.
 

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The priests became a target because Saul's henchman saw David at the tabernacle and reported it to Saul. It had nothing to do with David eating the bread.
would David had been there had he not eaten bread?
 
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I think of it this way. as you said sin is never ok, it killed our Lord. no one wants to keep on walking in the very thing that hurt the one they love. It is our love response that keeps the law. We don't obey Cause its in a law. We obey cause we love. love fulfils the law.
I look at it this way. Nothing can bring a charge against love and faith. Not the law of Moses, not anything.

The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. Galatians 5:23
 

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I look at it this way. Nothing can bring a charge against love and faith. Not the law of Moses, not anything.
The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. Galatians 5:23
agreed even the 10 commandments do not go against the fruit of the Spirit. there is no law of God that is against the fruit of the spirit.
 
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would David had been there had he not eaten bread?
We don't know why he went there. He obviously didn't go there with the intent of eating showbread. I think Nob was on the summit of the southermost peak of the Mount of Olives, called the Mount of Corruption, so from Gibeon that would have been on the way into the Judean wilderness down the Kidron Valley. It may have just been a convenient stop off point.
 

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I mean think about it, love will not bring a charge against the one who does not steal because they love. But love will bring a charge against the one who steals because they are clearly not in love or faith.

Clearly Gods love made Him give a law that brings a charge against those who break it.
 

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We don't know why he went there. He obviously didn't go there with the intent of eating showbread. I think Nob was on the summit of the southermost peak of the Mount of Olives, called the Mount of Corruption, so from Gibeon that would have been on the way into the Judean wilderness down the Kidron Valley. It may have just been a convenient stop off point.
In the end the point is this, Jesus gives two illustrations.

The first David eating the bread which he says is Unlawful.

The second the priests who work on the Sabbath and are blameless.



David was not commanded to lie by God to get the bread.

The priests were commanded by God to do that work on the Sabbath.

See the difference. They pick on Jesus for doing things that are lawful as the law allows the picking of grain for the hungry but no more than is need at the time of the picking.

Jesus was working under the direction of God and in obedience to God. He was like the priests who worked on Sabbath but were blameless because they were obeying Gods direction Just as Jesus was with His disciples.