What works have you done that proves you have the true faith of God?

[know1]

I quote your opening Post where you demanded;;



You demanded people give a detailed account of their work(s) to prove their salvation By Works.. You are the classic works salvation fruit inspector.. demanding others show proof of their salvation by their works.. But now you deny you propogate works as a way to salvation?? After demanding people show their works to prove their salvation..

You cannot have it both ways.. I think post people reading on can understand this..

I demand nothing of anyone, and these words are not mine but that of some who teaches what you believe.
I merely used what others wrote when they were interpreting James 2.
James says he can show his faith by his works. And there are some who interpreted that as someone who has true faith verses one who has a fake or false faith. Again, these are not my words or my interpretation. So I simply asked a logical question like, what works is it that James is talking about? And what works do you do that shows you have the true faith over the fake one?
And yes, I most definitely deny propagating works as a way to salvation and a way to maintain it. I have stated that, I don't know how many times, only for just about everyone to say I have been teaching the contrary. And you all have been saying that because you don't understand, let alone see, what I have been saying.
I have been saying A corresponding work is necessary for salvation just as it is written in Romans 10:10.
A person only needs to say what they believe concerning Jesus' work on the cross, and that is the only work necessary for salvation. Then they are a born again child of God.
The reason why I asked for People to tell me what works they have done that lines up with James' kind of works, is because I KNEW NOBODY was doing the kind of works of faith James said He could do. I KNEW what kind of works everyone was doing and what you all meant when you were talking about all the good works you do that proves you are born again.
What I knew was that all your good works were simply good deeds that nonbelievers could do. Not only that, but the works everyone was doing were basically works of the law, and not of faith. They were simply morally good deeds. And for you to try to tell me what works you did that proves you have the true faith, was to brag about yourself, and I knew you would see that much and therefore would be unable to say what you did. It's kind of like a catch 22 question meant to trap and expose the false teaching of your understanding of good works. It is not the same as that of James' or Jesus' understanding. Their works of faith move the hand of God, and therefore any work they did in faith, shows the move, work, and power of God. Yours do not. They are the filthy rag kind because YOU did it, in your own abilities, and not in God's ability.

 

[know1]

Ya know? I keep rolling your question round n round in my mind, and that term "proof", or "prove", keeps coming up.

IN this, your original post (usually called OP), is there something "understood", that you are asking, yet not mentioning? Like "Prove to ME?" "Prove one's self!", To whom? The "Eyes of men?" Like some pharasetic braggart? Proof, by performing "Miracles?"

Methinks you need be a little more SPECIFIC, in what you are asking. In the apparent manner, you are asking, in these eyes, you look to be replacing, or feebly attempting to elevate yourself, as some form of an "oppressor", in trying to "squeeze" a response out of those who would "walk into a trap", unawares.

Having said this, I will answer your OP. I wouldst EVERY "man" call me a "liar". As, I know Jesus, and He knows me? And, I also know the Father, and He knows me as well!

As for you, and your question? I owe you, nor any man? NOTHING!

Actually sir, it has nothing to do with me. I'm not trying to exalt myself in any way. I am simply attempting to expose a false teaching.
I am only asking everyone to tell me specifically what works they have done that proves they have the true faith, BECAUSE all of YOU are the ones who have told me that your works prove that you have the true faith and not the fake. You all are the ones who told me this. I just asked what those works are to expose the lie. No one can give me a work, like James, to prove they have the true faith, because that's not what James was teaching. He was teaching about faith without works is dead or without effect, not true faith verses the fake. And because I knew that was false, the only thing I could think of was for someone to give me an actual personal example of their good works to prove this teaching of the so called true faith. If that was an accurate or correct interpretation, then there wouldn't have been any problems.
If you people didn't keep giving me ammo to work with, I wouldn't be shooting back at you like you have been trying to do to me.

 

[stillness]

Those who have believed into JESUS have done the will and WORKS of the Heavenly FATHER already![/QUOTE]
No you havent already done the will of God neither aready perfect, your speach betrays you. Humor needs help but: Believe is ongoing: means following Him (in His death past our selfish existance). Most of us are still aslep in a dream: in the garden of Getsamene thinking to have attained. Yes even those who dont believe in dead works are involved in them and some who believe in faith works by Love are safe: as they continue, believing is a journey to follow the Lord.

 

[know1]

No you havent already done the will of God neither aready perfect, your speach betrays you. Humor needs help but: Believe is ongoing: means following Him (in His death past our selfish existance). Most of us are still aslep in a dream: in the garden of Getsamene thinking to have attained. Yes even those who dont believe in dead works are involved in them and some who believe in faith works by Love are safe: as they continue, believing is a journey to follow the Lord.

That is how I have always seen it myself.
Believing is ongoing and always current or in the now.
When one stops believing for their healing, because they didn't feel any different when they prayed, even as Peter started to sink, in like manner, their healing starts to wan.
When Peter walked on the water, was his believing ongoing or did it falter?
And when it did, so did the power of God.
It is better to believe the gospel of Jesus Christ concerning our healing and fail, than to take the hope away from His children by tell them first that sickness is a blessing from God, and also that it might be God's will for them to go home or to suffer with the thing. The very thing Jesus suffered for and nailed to the cross. He bore that curse in His own body so you wouldn't have to. And it is a curse, not a blessing.
If it were a blessing, then stop trying to feel better through medications and treatments, and start enjoying your blessing from God.
And if you don't know if it's God's will to heal all His children, when He told you it was, why do you condemn me for giving hope to those suffering? Is it a bad thing to trust in God for your healing? Is is bad to have an expected hope in your God to heal you?
Please tell me, if it is God's will for you or a loved one to suffer from a debilitating or wasting disease, why then is it okay for you to encourage them to seek medical help, seeing that they are going against the will of God. If it was God's will for them to so-called, suffer for Christ through a sickness, and it is a sin for me to tell them about healing, when did it stop being His will for them to suffer and seek relief through medications and treatments?
This is hypocrisy and a one way street for the doctrine of the devil.
The sad thing is most Christians are stupid enough to fall for such a lie.
Sad, very sad.

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

What works have you done that proves you have the true faith of God?

By believing who Jesus is and what Jesus has done at the Cross of Calvary where the victory was won. It is never a act of labor for the Believer, but an act of Faith in God's beloved Son in whom He is please.

1 Chronicles 13:10 - And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Uzza, and he smote him, because he put his hand to the ark: and there he died before God (No man can come in the presence of God in his own strength and ability. He is Holy).

Proper faith will always produce proper works. Faith without works is dead. (our work is to believe only - faith without believing is dead. John 6:28-29

Ephesians 2:8-9 - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. (So stop bragging about works!)

 

[know1]

What works have you done that proves you have the true faith of God?

By believing who Jesus is and what Jesus has done at the Cross of Calvary where the victory was won. It is never a act of labor for the Believer, but an act of Faith in God's beloved Son in whom He is please.

1 Chronicles 13:10 - And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Uzza, and he smote him, because he put his hand to the ark: and there he died before God (No man can come in the presence of God in his own strength and ability. He is Holy).

Proper faith will always produce proper works. Faith without works is dead. (our work is to believe only - faith without believing is dead. John 6:28-29

Ephesians 2:8-9 - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. (So stop bragging about works!)

What is the difference between faith and believing?
What constitutes proper faith?
To some, it is believe only.
To others, it is that you have to work for it.
And still others, it's corresponding work of faith.
What say you?

 

[Ralph-]

Do you consider trying not to do works as an act of faith?

yeah i guess so. I mean now that I think about it. thats what i'm doing. THat's how I show my faith. I don't do works to show that I don't believe in salvation by works.

 

[20]

Can I mention someone else's good work?

KJVMicah6:8 8. He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and walk humbly with thy God?

 

[Nehemiah6]

I don't do works to show that I don't believe in salvation by works.

What exactly does this mean? Does it mean that you refrain from doing good works altogether?

 

[DayVerlo]

Why all this complication? You cannot use the bathroom unless you get up in the morning.
Look at the sentence structure. There is a verb. It is the getting up bit that is the work. If you decide to stay in bed you'll end up fouling the linen.
So, when you were born you knew nothing and fouled linen. As time passes, your support base, Taught you to use the most appropriate place, other than the bed to deficate.
In time you became confident in using this most appropriate place and mastered your body.
In time more and more things were taught you. You do believe your eyes see, not so?.
Well, If you can't be bothered to see the simplicity of mankind 2000yrs ago, you'll lay in bed wondering so much, that nothingness is your only achievement.
The parable about talent(s) says this. So, If you desire coffee in the morning and there us no one but you in your environment to ask, then get up, walked to the kitchen, put water to the boil, prepare the mug, add the ingredients, Enjoy!
You are making such a mountain out of these words you share, when in summary: Whatever, you ask, Believing, will happen for you. Good, bad or indifferent. It happens.
The social advice is however to choose Good or indifference as Bad will take your freedom.
With this motto: Go On Do you are unstoppable within the laws of physics and the Law of your land.
As as an anagram G O D.

 

[joaniemarie]

Re: What works have you done that proves you have the true faith of God?


The way I know God has given me true faith is when the Holy Spirit ministers Jesus to me. When I look at Jesus and am daily reminded of what He did and that His work HAS completed me., that is when I find He is the answer to all my questions and troubles and joys here.

This makes the waiting doable before we get to heaven when we will see Him in person and are in our new bodies. then there will be no dark glass to look through dimly anymore. Our flesh is an annoying thing that often gets in the way of the reality of Jesus and must be pushed aside for that new manner of living... and forfeited as we look through the eyes of faith

Hebrews 11:1 It will be soooooooooo nice to no longer have to walk by faith and not by sight. We will be 100% finished here with this body made from the dust of the earth. We will have bodies that are immortal that see as He sees and we will deal with no more weaknesses.

11 Now faith is the assurance (the confirmation, [SUP][a][/SUP]the title deed) of the things [we] hope for, being the proof of things [we] do not see and the conviction of their reality [faith perceiving as real fact what is not revealed to the senses].


That is when I am given confidence because it's the works of faith that are the works of our born again spirit man. It's the work that pleases the Father the most... When we give glory and honor to the Son by giving Him all the credit for our salvation and our faith afterward. Also., when we are weak in ourselves.,, that is when we are strong IN Him and the things we need to do here on earth become doable and the power is there through the Holy Spirit's ministry to us. So we can have power here through faith.

As we were saved by grace through faith., that is how we are to walk as believers afterward... depending not on our works of righteousness., but on Jesus and His finished work fully. When we do that "work" of faith., the Spirit witnesses with our spirit and those rivers of living water come flowing in and through us as Jesus said in John 7:38-39

Why do those rivers of living water come flowing from our innermost being at that time? It's because we are realizing more and more how JESUS is the ONLY WAY and the Holy Spirit verifies with STRONG CONSOLATION with our spirit we are the sons of God., seeing His love and on the correct road of learning. We are IN the Beloved., We have His witness and the love of God shed abroad in our hearts.

[SUP]38 [/SUP]He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, [SUP][a][/SUP]from within him shall flow rivers of living water. [SUP]39 [/SUP]But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believed on him were to receive: [SUP][b][/SUP]for the Spirit was not yet given; because Jesus was not yet glorified. NAS



[SUP]38 [/SUP]He who believes in Me [who cleaves to and trusts in and relies on Me] as the Scripture has said, From his innermost being shall flow [continuously] springs and rivers of living water.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]But He was speaking here of the Spirit, Whom those who believed (trusted, had faith) in Him were afterward to receive. For the [Holy] Spirit had not yet been given, because Jesus was not yet glorified Amplified.

I specifically like the way the Amplified Bible words this. (cleave...trusts....relies) That is our work of faith. To take our eyes off of ourselves and others for our sustenance for everything., and look straight ahead to Jesus... Who is the Author and Finisher of our faith. AMEN thank You Jesus!

 

[Rosemaryx]

So the only kind of good works you would be able to testify or talk about, is the kind that would exalt you and not give any glory to God?
So God wants you to SHOW it to others, but not TELL it to others. Really?
If God wants you to show your good works to others, that it might glorify the Father, then why wouldn't you want to tell other about the same kind of works, seeing it would only glorify the Father. Unless your works are not the kind Jesus was talking about that would glorify God.
What kind of work can we do that would both be considered true faith and glorify God at the same time?
What light or good works does God want others to see, that it might glorify God?

Hi knowme1...It is God who wills us to do His good work and then we go out to do Gods will ...
If God wills me to mow my neighbours grass for free, and my neighbour is miserable, grumpy and ungrateful, I will still mow it because I am to do the work unto our Lord, and if a person was to say to me " Why do you bother with this man, why do you do these things for free ", then I can speak of my work done unto the Lord and give Him all the glory while the window of opportunity has been opened for me to spread the good news, the Gospel...Then I can speak of my good deed, not because I am good, I can give myself no credit, and if no one asked me why I do such things, then I have no need to boast about it to anyone, for Gods sees everything done in secret as well as in the open...All the glory to God \/...xox...

 

[know1]

Hi knowme1...It is God who wills us to do His good work and then we go out to do Gods will ...
If God wills me to mow my neighbours grass for free, and my neighbour is miserable, grumpy and ungrateful, I will still mow it because I am to do the work unto our Lord, and if a person was to say to me " Why do you bother with this man, why do you do these things for free ", then I can speak of my work done unto the Lord and give Him all the glory while the window of opportunity has been opened for me to spread the good news, the Gospel...Then I can speak of my good deed, not because I am good, I can give myself no credit, and if no one asked me why I do such things, then I have no need to boast about it to anyone, for Gods sees everything done in secret as well as in the open...All the glory to God \/...xox...

Hello ma'am.
I don't know if you were fooling around or if it was just a typo error, and not that it's a big deal, 'cause it's not, but my name is know1, not, know me or you.
Also, the kind of work you mentioned in your post, it doesn't necessarily prove or show one is born again or has the true faith, as taught by many on this site.

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Point being, these same people thought they too were doing the will of God, and their works were far mightier than yours of mowing someone's lawn, free of charge, but look where that got them.
Whether they were separated from Christ and He forgot them or they were never born again, what they did, thinking it was God's will, still failed to prove their work was of God or that of the "true faith".
And according to your understanding, a good work is being obedient to the voice of God. Do I have that correct?
What kind of a work would, eating your food in all confidence, without any fear of there being any harm in said food, be?
Is it a work of the law, a good work, simply a work, or none of the afore mentioned?
I know this is not what you were talking about in your post, but as for the will of God being done, it is written, "Thy will be done in earth as it is in heaven."
It should be a well know fact that the will of God is not done on earth as it is in heaven, otherwise He would not have told us to pray for such.
In light of that then, is it God's will for any of His children to be sick here on earth?
If we believe what is written in the bible, as so many here on CC claim, rather than what life's experiences tell us, and the somewhat vehement testimonies of sooooo many others, we again see that the will of God is not done on earth as it is in heaven.
And to answer my own question to you, it is therefore NOT the will of God for any of His children to be sick on earth, even as it is not His will for any to be sick in heaven. I hope that makes perfect sense.
Having said that, if one thought God were to ask them to pray for anyone who is sick, and they wanting to be obedient to that perceived prompting of God, how would they pray and what would they expect to happen if they believed that it was God's will for that person to be sick, because they were taught that, when it is in fact NOT the will of God?
What would happen?
I will tell you what would happen.
"... as thou hast believed, so be it done unto thee."
In other words, nothing.
And then because nothing happened, they go and tell other that it wasn't the will of God to heal so and so.
Again, in light of what the above scripture says, many still cannot pray for someone in faith, because if they thought it was the will of God for them to be sick, or to teach them humility or something else, or as many put it, to suffer for Christ, then how can they believe for God to heal the person being prayed for? They can't.
And so you pray for the person in what the person BELIEVES is obedience, but how is that going to accomplish the will of God for the person to be well, and how is that a good work or deed? It's not.
Just because you do something for God, doesn't make it a good work, even if you think your doing the will of God.
If it is not done in the biblical definition of faith with a corresponding work, then it still is dead, and not a good work that proves the person is born again or have the true faith.

 

[20]

How is Peter answer the question? KJVActs4:9-10 9. If we this day be examined of the good deed done to the impotent man, by what means he is made whole; 10. Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.