What would have to happen for you to change your Eschatological position?

[Bookends]

In order for me to change my eschatological position, this is what would have to happen;

I'd have to be raptured into to heaven. That's it. The temple can't be build until that happens right? But why would I want to come back to earth from heaven, which is golden, to a semi-golden age where sin and death still exists.

What all you people of same or different opinions of the "end times"? What would have to happen for you to change your mind?

 

[Willie-T]

Who do you suppose a new Earth is going to be created for? (Rev. 21)

 

[tanach]

For me to change my position I would need to start believing in Scofields reference Bible and notes. That is not going to happen.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

God would have to change the way he does things, and would have to change the way he is.

WHy?

God would have to change from literal to symbolic prophesy...All OT Prophesies concerning Israel being punished for her sin, and The Suffering servant and what he would do and suffer for the sins of the people were literally fulfilled. All other aspects of prophesy then would have to "CHANGE" to a symbolic fulfilment.

God would have to change the way his is, a perfect God. Who no longer keeps his promises.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Who do you suppose a new Earth is going to be created for? (Rev. 21)

True, Also, a new temple does not bother me, No temple every built ever took away sin to begin with, So a new one is not going to change that.

In Fact I think we can be reasonably assured the presence of God never entered the second temple holy of Holies. So technically, it was never used, Yet Jesus called it a house of prayer, and a house of worship (so in this aspect. Yes it did have a purpose, and I think it will again some day)

 

[Bookends]

God would have to change the way he does things, and would have to change the way he is.

WHy?

God would have to change from literal to symbolic prophesy...All OT Prophesies concerning Israel being punished for her sin, and The Suffering servant and what he would do and suffer for the sins of the people were literally fulfilled. All other aspects of prophesy then would have to "CHANGE" to a symbolic fulfilment.

God would have to change the way his is, a perfect God. Who no longer keeps his promises.

EG, I hear you...but, does it have to be God to do the changing, why can't your method of interpretation be in need of modification?

 

[Bookends]

Who do you suppose a new Earth is going to be created for? (Rev. 21)

For the faithful, those in Christ of coarse. I fail to get your point and how it may connect with my question.

 

[Bookends]

For me to change my position I would need to start believing in Scofields reference Bible and notes. That is not going to happen.

In other words, God would have work a miracle for you to believe in Scofield's notes.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

EG, I hear you...but, does it have to be God to do the changing, why can't your method of interpretation be in need of modification?

Why would I change my method?

God would have to change.

1. God says Israel will be scattered. Israel was scattered
2. God says Because of Israel's rejection. A people which was not his people will be called his people. Isreal rejected, and Gentiles were grafted in.
3. God said 4 gentile kingdoms will be in control and rule over Jerusalem, All 4 did
4. God said messiah would suffer, and hang on a tree he did
5. God said messiah would come at the end of the 69th seven, he did
6. God said he would be cut off after he was introduced, He did


If all these (and many many others) literally came true. Why would I even want to change my method of interpretation from a literal to any other way?

The only way I would do this, is for god to change the way he fulfills..

God would also have to change the meaning of prophesy, To prove he is the one true god (no other God can say this is going to happen on this dat many years in the future, this way, And those things happen exactly as God said they would

 

[eternally-gratefull]

For the faithful, those in Christ of coarse. I fail to get your point and how it may connect with my question.

I just got that, Yes you are right,

I took him to think you said you would never return to earth period. You said an earth that is still full of sin.. there will be no sin in the new earth

 

[Is]

True, Also, a new temple does not bother me, No temple every built ever took away sin to begin with, So a new one is not going to change that.

In Fact I think we can be reasonably assured the presence of God never entered the second temple holy of Holies. So technically, it was never used, Yet Jesus called it a house of prayer, and a house of worship (so in this aspect. Yes it did have a purpose, and I think it will again some day)

A temple has to be in existence for the Anti-christ to be able to sit in it and present himself as God according to 2Thess.2:4 and Daniel 9:27.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

A temple has to be in existence for the Anti-christ to be able to sit in it and present himself as God according to 2Thess.2:4 and Daniel 9:27.

Yes, if you interpret it that way, Bookends does not. One of the reasons is he does not see a need for a new temple.

I just answered a new temple does not matter, it never took away sin to begin with

 

[Bookends]

God would have to change the way he does things, and would have to change the way he is.

WHy?

God would have to change from literal to symbolic prophesy...All OT Prophesies concerning Israel being punished for her sin, and The Suffering servant and what he would do and suffer for the sins of the people were literally fulfilled. All other aspects of prophesy then would have to "CHANGE" to a symbolic fulfilment.

God would have to change the way his is, a perfect God. Who no longer keeps his promises.

EG, how many years long would you interpret the passage below.

Deut. 7:9
9 “Therefore know that the Lord your God, He is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and mercy for a thousand generations with those who love Him and keep His commandments;

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I've already changed my eschatological views. I used to believe as the futurists do, but as my learning grew, I grew out of it.

 

[dcontroversal]

The Lord thru scriptures and conviction of error!

 

[valiant]

The New Testament would have to be abolished.

The premillers probably wouldn't notice LOL they are too busy wallowing in the Old Testament in their false interpretations which ignore the New Testament

 

[eternally-gratefull]

EG, how many years long would you interpret the passage below.

Deut. 7:9
9 “Therefore know that the Lord your God, He is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and mercy for a thousand generations with those who love Him and keep His commandments;

Well in that we have (if a generation is 30 years) 30 thousand years. How old is the earth?
How long is this..

Gen 17: ~[SUP]8 [/SUP]Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”

 

[Bookends]

Why would I change my method?

God would have to change.

1. God says Israel will be scattered. Israel was scattered
2. God says Because of Israel's rejection. A people which was not his people will be called his people. Isreal rejected, and Gentiles were grafted in.
3. God said 4 gentile kingdoms will be in control and rule over Jerusalem, All 4 did
4. God said messiah would suffer, and hang on a tree he did
5. God said messiah would come at the end of the 69th seven, he did
6. God said he would be cut off after he was introduced, He did


If all these (and many many others) literally came true. Why would I even want to change my method of interpretation from a literal to any other way?

The only way I would do this, is for god to change the way he fulfills..

God would also have to change the meaning of prophesy, To prove he is the one true god (no other God can say this is going to happen on this dat many years in the future, this way, And those things happen exactly as God said they would

I believe God did all these things too EG. But we still interpret some Scriptures differently. So your method of interpret reigns supreme. lol...... Answer my 1000 generations question please.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The New Testament would have to be abolished.

The premillers probably wouldn't notice LOL they are too busy wallowing in the Old Testament in their false interpretations which ignore the New Testament

Why is this? The NT does not negate the things of God and OT prophesies, it actually confirms them. In present and future sense.

 

[Bookends]

Well in that we have (if a generation is 30 years) 30 thousand years. How old is the earth?
How long is this..

Gen 17: ~[SUP]8 [/SUP]Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”

Did God's Israel in the OT last 30,000 years?