What would your church do?

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Jullianna

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We probably would not know all of their personal business right away, so our first concern would be that they come to know Christ and walk with them as they grow in Him. I have seen the Holy Spirit correct this situation rather quickly more than once in someone's life.

If it was learned that they were living together before they came to know the Lord, our pastor would likely approach the subject in a sermon, as he frequently does. If they claimed to be followers of Christ, but continued in this, then the elders of the church would likely approach the man in confidence and in love regarding the matter.
 
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Nancyer

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I'm grateful to see so much love and acceptance here. Wasn't really expecting that. My church would welcome new comers with open arms, as they did me 4 1/2 yrs. ago. We have several couples attending our church, very involved, wonderful people, deep in their love of Christ, who aren't married but share a home. Personally, I don't understand the not getting married, but that is between them and God and God loves them regardless.



 
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Then you would lose them..

Jesus welcomed sinners. And just spoke the word.. The HS convicts.. It is not our job to tell them they are not welcome. for all we know. God sent them in the first place.
To Jesus everyone was a sinner. Can you show me in scripture when/where the early church accepted unbelievers into its midst?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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It would be business as usual. They pray for the couple that obviously God had brought their way. The couple would hear the gospel, and, if God calls them, would desire to understand more.
Yes, then hopefully they get saved, And then God starts to work on their hearts about certain issues :)
 
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eternally-gratefull

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We probably would not know all of their personal business right away, so our first concern would be that they come to know Christ and walk with them as they grow in Him. I have seen the Holy Spirit correct this situation rather quickly more than once in someone's life.

If it was learned that they were living together before they came to know the Lord, our pastor would likely approach the subject in a sermon, as he frequently does. If they claimed to be followers of Christ, but continued in this, then the elders of the church would likely approach the man in confidence and in love regarding the matter.
We had the same thing, Two of my nieces moved out of their bfs house until the got married. and quite a few others did the same..

That is what the law of love and the conviction of the HS does.

Of course it did not happen overnight.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I'm grateful to see so much love and acceptance here. Wasn't really expecting that. My church would welcome new comers with open arms, as they did me 4 1/2 yrs. ago. We have several couples attending our church, very involved, wonderful people, deep in their love of Christ, who aren't married but share a home. Personally, I don't understand the not getting married, but that is between them and God and God loves them regardless.



Amazingly even secular studies show that live in relationships are a bad thing, and hardly ever last. Very few ever sty married. Divorce rate is very high in couples who co habitated first.

It just goes to Show. God knows what he is doing.

This actually convinced one of our couples to do what was right, it scared them. if the secular studies prove what God said, wow
 
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eternally-gratefull

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To Jesus everyone was a sinner. Can you show me in scripture when/where the early church accepted unbelievers into its midst?
lol. Well lets see. People came to Christ IN CHURCH services all over the NT.. wow.. amazing thing isnt it..

Church is to win people to Christ AND edify them. Not for a bunch of Gods people to isolate themselves and keep away from sinners.

God sent us into the world. he did not tell us to go crawl in a corner and reject all sinners. This is what the jews did..Not the church.
 
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lol. Well lets see. People came to Christ IN CHURCH services all over the NT.. wow.. amazing thing isnt it..

Church is to win people to Christ AND edify them. Not for a bunch of Gods people to isolate themselves and keep away from sinners.

God sent us into the world. he did not tell us to go crawl in a corner and reject all sinners. This is what the jews did..Not the church.
People joined the church as believers, but I don't see where it's written that unbelievers participated. They broke bread all of the time. That would be unthinkable for an unbeliever to do.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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People joined the church as believers, but I don't see where it's written that unbelievers participated. They broke bread all of the time. That would be unthinkable for an unbeliever to do.
Yep. Paul spoke of all those unbelievers breaking bread all the time.. You know. things like "if you have faith" "if you believed" in the very letters he wrote to the churches.. Indicating he KNEW there were people there who have not made discisions for Christ yet
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Yep. Paul spoke of all those unbelievers breaking bread all the time.. You know. things like "if you have faith" "if you believed" in the very letters he wrote to the churches.. Indicating he KNEW there were people there who have not made discisions for Christ yet

to add. People did not join churches back then, thats a modern day thing (or maybe instituted by the roman church??

They became members of the "body of Christ" the moment they were given eternal life and adopted into Gods family.

Church is not a building, its a people!!
 
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lol. Well lets see. People came to Christ IN CHURCH services all over the NT.. wow.. amazing thing isnt it..

Church is to win people to Christ AND edify them. Not for a bunch of Gods people to isolate themselves and keep away from sinners.

God sent us into the world. he did not tell us to go crawl in a corner and reject all sinners. This is what the jews did..Not the church.
God is quite clear about the difference between saved and unsaved people. Saved people are to welcome unsaved ones who want to come in, and we are to let them know the gospel. We are also to set ourselves apart, for God sees us different from unsaved people. God mentors us, disciplines us, blesses us. Unsaved people are let go however they want.

In the NT there given directions for living that is spread over about a 50 year period. God gave us thousands of years of history with prophets that interpreted how God principles were worked out in history in the OT. It is easier to see how God interacts with society in the OT than in the New.

We are to welcome all who want to enter our established churches, but they are mostly for the elect to gather and commune together. We are to evangelize, each one of us, but that is not what God established our organized church for.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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God is quite clear about the difference between saved and unsaved people. Saved people are to welcome unsaved ones who want to come in, and we are to let them know the gospel. We are also to set ourselves apart, for God sees us different from unsaved people. God mentors us, disciplines us, blesses us. Unsaved people are let go however they want.

In the NT there given directions for living that is spread over about a 50 year period. God gave us thousands of years of history with prophets that interpreted how God principles were worked out in history in the OT. It is easier to see how God interacts with society in the OT than in the New.

We are to welcome all who want to enter our established churches, but they are mostly for the elect to gather and commune together. We are to evangelize, each one of us, but that is not what God established our organized church for.

CHurch is where two or three people are gathered together.

And many times the unsaved are invited in so they can hear the word. The mission of the church is to make disciples.

However, I agree with what you said for the most part.
 

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A couple comes to your service. they seem like very nice people who are very interested in finding out what the church has to offer. You welcome them with open arms.

In getting to know them you find out.

1. They do not Know God
2. They are not saved

also, you find a very troubling thing (according to the law) they are not married, but have been living together for 6 months.

so,, what would your church do??
they would be welcomed both at the door and from the pulpit every service.
as visitors, they would be asked to refrain from taking part in communion, and to speak to the pastor after the service if they had any questions.

they would probably struggle to understand the Service Book:)
they would hear and (possibly? i don't know since i don't know them:)) take part in the opening hymn.
then they would hear the Old Testament reading.
they would probably struggle with the liturgy some more:)
then they would hear a Gospel reading, which may form the basis for the sermon.
then another hymn.
then some more from the liturgy.
then they would, with the congregation, all read the Epistle lesson for the day, which may form the basis of the sermon.

then they would hear the Sermon.


FIRST they would hear THE LAW.

they may or may not be convicted, depending on the sermon:)

then they would hear the Gospel.

they may or may not receive it.

if it was communion service they would (or might not) confess their sins, along with the entire congregation.
they would recite the Lord's prayer and likely the Apostle's Creed.
then they would remain seated as members took the Lord's Table.

and so it would go...until the day came they heard directly from the WORD their lifestyle was sin.
sooner or later, the WORD will speak to it.

having eventually been convicted by the Word, they would either seek to resolve it by meeting with the Pastor for counsel, or probably not come back, since the sermons are always Law & then Gospel.

sooner or later there is a krisis.
people either submit to the pronouncement of Law and receive the Gospel and align themselves to it, or they drift away.

that's how my church would deal with it.
 

zone

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To Jesus everyone was a sinner. Can you show me in scripture when/where the early church accepted unbelievers into its midst?
they do show up now and then.
but don't stay long at a Lutheran Church:)
no wiggle room when the Law comes out...and unbelievers don't understand the Gospel.
some come back later though....when they're broken.
seeds...seeds....
:)
 
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angelmyst

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What better place for sinnets to be than under the preaching of the Word of God. In time...with Spirit filled preaching they will either get saved and get things right or they will be so tired of the conviction they will leave. The church shoyld just do its ministry...preach the Word to a lost and dying world.
 
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Kerry

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My church would say Praise God and we welcome you and we are glad you have visited us today. God bless you and we hope you come back. Just don't come naked, unless you have no choice and we will give you some clothes. Joking there, but some women come in with their mammary glands hanging out and shorts so shorty that there is no imagination cause it's there for all to see.
 

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A couple comes to your service. they seem like very nice people who are very interested in finding out what the church has to offer. You welcome them with open arms.

In getting to know them you find out.

1. They do not Know God
2. They are not saved

also, you find a very troubling thing (according to the law) they are not married, but have been living together for 6 months.

so,, what would your church do??
Show some compassion for them. They know they are sinners. You do not need to tell them what they already know. Tell them that Jesus shed His blood for them and they can have forgiveness of their sin. Get them saved and then God will work in their hearts to order their lives according to His word. Do not entangle them with living standards until they are made alive in Christ. Assuming of course you teach salvation by grace through faith. If you teach a works based salvation then you will need to brow beat them into submission to your doctrine or accept them as they are and let them go on in the darkness of sin.

For the cause of Christ
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they do show up now and then.
but don't stay long at a Lutheran Church:)
no wiggle room when the Law comes out...and unbelievers don't understand the Gospel.
some come back later though....when they're broken.
seeds...seeds....
:)
Broken?! What methods do you use exactly lol.
 

zone

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Broken?! What methods do you use exactly lol.
methods?
we don't use methods.

read the post prior where i explained how my church 'deals' with the OPs hypothetical.

i said some come back later - if they're broken. that would be the work of the Spirit.
we don't break anything.

Psalm 34:18
The LORD is near to the brokenhearted and saves the crushed in spirit

edit: thx cfultz3 :)
 
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