What's the difference between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant?

emjcares · Aug 9, 2016

Alot of people don't want to hear the clear Word of God as presented in posts #16 + #18 for example, and would rather hear alot of man's interpretive words and place legalistic burdens around the necks of others.

Following Jesus and doing the will of the Father should be from joy of the heart, not drudgery of man's pressure.

WebersHome · Aug 9, 2016

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The primary differences between the old covenant as per Exodus, Leviticus,
Numbers and Deuteronomy, and the new covenant as per Jer 31:31-34 are:

1• The old covenant's blessings are conditional while the new covenant's
blessings are unconditional.

2• The old covenant stipulates curses while the new covenant does not.

3• The old covenant does not permit God to forget sins; while the new
covenant guarantees that God doesn't keep an inventory of one's sins with
which to indict them later.

4• The old covenant has no remedy for human nature; while the new
covenant does.

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Ariel82 · Aug 9, 2016

Re: What's the difference between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant?

Alot more than how Passover was kept....

Old covenant was given because people wanted a mediator/prophet and priest instead of hearing from God directly....

New covenant places the Holy Spirit in the hearts of God's adopted children through the redeeming work of Christ death on the cross.

There is more but that is the short of it.

jaybird88 · Aug 9, 2016

emjcares said:

or we can follow Jesus, by the example He set, because thats what He says to do.

mpaper345 · Aug 9, 2016

KenAllan said:

And people need to stop this,for in this sense there is no difference between the Old and the New,the only difference in the New is we do not go by the physical ordinances,and we can have the Spirit,everything else is the same.

Paul said we do not void out the law through faith,but we establish the law.

God gave Moses the law,the Old covenant,they had to obey the commandments,and be obedient to God,for then the responsibility is on the people.

God gave the us the Son to wash away our sins,the New covenant,which we have to obey the commandments,and be obedient to God,for then the responsibility is on the people.

There is no difference between the Old and the New,except we do not go by the physical ordinances,but only the laws of love,and we can have the Spirit,but we always have to obey God's commandments,and be obedient to Him,and once we receive the Spirit then the responsibility lies on us,for God is not going to twist our arm to live for Him,that is why the Bible says work out your own salvation with fear and trembling,and if you do not continue in God's goodness,you will be cut off.

People try to take away the responsibility of the person,but when God gives the covenant,you learn of it,and then the responsibility is on you,for God gave it,done what He could do,now it is up to you to obey it.

Jesus connected us to God,and we receive the Spirit,Jesus did what He could do,now the responsibility is on us,to maintain the position that Jesus caused to be in us,that is why Jesus said any person putting their hand to the plow looking back,is not fit for the kingdom of God.

The Bible says if you are led of the Spirit you will not fulfill the desires of the flesh,and will show the characteristics of the Spirit.

If you are led of the Spirit you are not under the law,which means you are abstaining from sin,so the law cannot touch you for prosecution,not that you do not have to obey the law,or it does not apply to you,for Paul said we establish the law.

The law being fulfilled by Jesus does not mean that the law does not apply to us,but He is a sinless man that fulfilled the law,and is right with God to be able to be our Savior,and if we confess Him,and are led by the Spirit,then the law is fulfilled in us,why,because we are obeying the spiritual law,abstaining from sin.

The spiritual law applies to the saints more than it applies to anybody in the history of mankind,because they have the Spirit to be able to live up to the law,not that the law does not apply to them.

Luk 12:42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season?
Luk 12:43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
Luk 12:44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.
Luk 12:45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;
Luk 12:46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
Luk 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
Luk 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Heb 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Contrary to what some people believe,there is more responsibility on the New Testament believer than on the Old Testament believer,to do what is right,but some people want to take it away,because there is no difference between the Old and New,God gives the covenant,you obey His commandments,and be obedient to Him,and all the more in the New covenant.

Ariel82 · Aug 9, 2016

Drcraig1 said:

I will try and answer what I have been given to understand and hope it makes sense and maybe helps someone.

The old covenant was shadows to the new covenant reality and passover is just one aspect of the shadow.

Passover happened when people slaughtered a lamb without blemish and put the blood on the doorpost so the avenging angels who were killing the firstborn would skip that household.

Jesus is the firstborn and the Passover lamb that was sacrifice for us. His blood marks us who have been again into the kingdom of Heaven from eternal hell fire. God will send out avenging angels to destroy anyone not marked with the blood of the lamb.

Old covenant...one righteous person could save household...

New covenant....each person will be judged by their own sins.

I could find Bible verses on it, but my tummy is upset and I still have to do laundry.

Just look up old testment verses on sour grapes and read the whole chapter..there are two sections by different prophets.

Ariel82 · Aug 9, 2016

John: 6. 4. And the passover, a feast of the Jews, was nigh. 27. Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed. 28. Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29. Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. 30. They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work? 31. Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat. 32. Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven. 33. For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world. 34. Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread. 35. And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. 36. But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not. 37. All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. 38. For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39. And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40. And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. 41. The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven. 47. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. 48. I am that bread of life. 49. Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50. This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. 51. I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world. 52. The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat? 53. Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. 54. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. 55. For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. 56. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him. 57. As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. 58. This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever. 59. These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum. 60. Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it? -

Ariel82 · Aug 9, 2016

John 4:13
Jesus answered and said to her, "Everyone who drinks of this water will thirst again;
John 4:14
but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him shall never thirst; but the water that I will give him will become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life."

John 7:38
"He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, 'From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.'"

John 7:39
But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

Ariel82 · Aug 9, 2016

So you see the symbolism used....water is really referring to Holy Spirit.

Bread or Manna is Jesus body/flesh that was nailed to the cross for our sins.

Wine is His blood spilled as a sacrifice and to create a new covenant.....what do we have to have faith in?

That Jesus blood will keep us safe and God will lead us to the Heavenly promise land. For we are but strangers in this world on a mission for our Heavenly Father and King.

seed_time_harvest · Aug 9, 2016

seed_time_harvest said:

Drcraig1 said:

Physical Blood was required for the passover,but that blood only temporarily cleansed the Israelites of sin,In other words the priest were continuously sacrificing animals and GOD had no pleasure In those sacrifices,A person would have had to do those things perfectly and no one could do that.

Faith pleases GOD.

GOD sent HIS WORD manifested In the flesh to be the LAMB of GOD.

JESUS died once,and HIS sacrifice pleased GOD and was accepted.

We have access to this grace through faith.

So then communion Is remembering the grace that GOD provided to us by HIS once shed blood for those of us that believe.

Drcraig1 · Aug 9, 2016

So is it acceptable to subtract Passover and add communion and believe they contain the same promise of forgiveness of sins?

Revelation: 22. 18. I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. 19. And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.

seed_time_harvest · Aug 10, 2016

Drcraig1 said:

Romans 10:1-8
King James Version(KJV)

1.)Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

2.)For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

3.)For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

4.)For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

5.)For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

6.)But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above

7.)Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)

8.)But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

emjcares · Aug 10, 2016

Drcraig1 said:

Where do you get that the promise of forgiveness of sins is cotained in communion?

The forgiveness of sins is in Jesus, when He shed His blood upon the cross.
Communion declares His death and resurrection to be a reality, our identity with and in Him, and the fact that He's coming again.

emjcares said:

jaybird88 said:

wow, jaybird, what did I just say?
Following Jesus should be from joy of the heart, not the drudgery of man's pressures.
Posts 16+18 are nearly completely straight scripture, and you prefer the OP?
Do you LIKE to make things harder on yourself than the world and the devil already do?
Jesus died to set us free, free from sin, free to worship and serve Him, with gladness of heart. The Lord loves a cheerful giver. It seems the OP wants to add burdensome stones around peoples necks. Do you really want to support that?

seed_time_harvest · Aug 10, 2016

jaybird88 said:

Under law no one could keep the commandments with will-power.

All the law and the prophets hang on one word,love.

Under grace we establish the law,we love because GOD first loved us.

TrailofTruth · Aug 10, 2016

The difference is in the Old Testament law things were done physically, but in the New Testament law things are done spiritually. (Ephesians 6). For example, instead of physically writing His law on stone tablets, He now spiritually writes them on our hearts. Instead of David physically killing his tens of thousands, we use the word of God as a spiritual sword to put to death the old sinful man so we can be raised a new creature in Christ. In the Old Testament we were under Moses, but in the New Testament we are under Christ. (Romans 7:1-4, Matthew 28:18).

Jesus lived under Old Testament law until the day He died and nailed it to the cross. He finished for us what we could not do ourselves- keep Gods law physically and perfectly. Therefore the Passover feast was still in effect until Christ died and established His church. Now we no longer need prophets.

Drcraig1 · Aug 10, 2016

It was not physical blood Jesus shed on the cross that gives us forgiveness of sins, but the blood (wine) of the Passover ceremony

Matthew: 26. 26. While they were eating, Jesus took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to his disciples, saying, "Take and eat; this is my body." 27. Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you. 28. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

When Jesus died on the cross, the old way of doing the Passover became obsolete and the new way was put into effect.

disciplemike · Aug 10, 2016

The law of God is not bondage.
Did God bring the children of Israel out of bondage in Egypt, only to put them back in bondage at Mt. Sinai?

Sin is the bondage.
The rules and traditions of men are bondage.

The law of God is not bondage - It is liberty!

TrailofTruth · Aug 10, 2016

Drcraig1 said:

Correct. The Passover celebrates how God's people put the blood on the doors to their houses and the death angel passed over them because of the blood. That was done physically. In the same way, spiritually, Christ's blood is on our hearts, and on judgment day we will be saved from the second death. Taking the Lords supper (cracker and grape juice / unleavened bread and fruit of the vine) is our spiritual Passover feast. So do we still also practice the old Passover feast? No. The bible says if you obey a law you must obey all of that law. You cannot be under Moses and Christ at the same time- that would be committing spiritual adultery (Romans 7:1-4).

Drcraig1 · Aug 10, 2016

seed_time_harvest said:

Let's see how the Jesus gave his Love 2000 years ago

Matthew: 22. 35. One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36. "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37. Jesus replied: "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38. This is the first and greatest commandment.

The greatest command is to love the Lord with all your heart, soul, and mind. So let's see how to love the Lord with allyour hear, soul, and mind.

2 Kings: 23. 25. Neither before nor after Josiah was there a king like him who turned to the Lord as he did—with all his heart and with all his soul and with all his strength, in accordance with all the Law of Moses.

But what did king Josiah do to love the Lord with all his heart, soul, and strength?

2 Kings: 23. 21. The king gave this order to all the people: "Celebrate the Passover to the Lord your God, as it is written in this Book of the Covenant." 22. Neither in the days of the judges who led Israel nor in the days of the kings of Israel and the kings of Judah had any such Passover been observed.

jaybird88 · Aug 10, 2016

seed_time_harvest said:

i never understood this? of course people broke the law at times. sin is in our nature, its gonna happen. i dont remember reading of people being sent to hell or having their family judged because they made a mistake and committed a sin.

What's the difference between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant?

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