Whats your eschatology?

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Your View!

  • Preterist Amillenial

    Votes: 1 7.7%

  • Preterist Postmillennial

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Partial-preterist Amillennial

    Votes: 6 46.2%

  • Partial-preterist Postmillennial

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Historic Premillennialism

    Votes: 1 7.7%

  • Historic Dispensational Premillennialism

    Votes: 2 15.4%

  • Historic Optimistic Premillennialism

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Futuristic Premillennialism

    Votes: 1 7.7%

  • Futuristic Postmillennialism

    Votes: 2 15.4%

  • Idealist

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    13
tribesman

tribesman

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Some of the balancing between what is literal and allegorical can indeed be difficult to make. But I believe such a distinction is absolutely necessary. To cut it very short: what it basically boils down to is if the bulk of major prophecies have been fulfilled and had their yea and amen in the person and work of Christ or not. Here only positive or negative will do. It is particularly on this one issue that a- or postmillenials differs from the premillenials. Not all interpretations are plausible. The risk of adopting a strictly literal interpretation of scripture means an open door for arbitrarily dissecting what "every detail" actually is and if it has been fulfilled or not. There are many messianic prophecies that some people are making a big issue out of having not been literally fulfilled or fulfilled in "every detail". They use this as an argument that Jesus was not the Messiah. Mined land.

PS. Good to see that amillenials are in majority.
 
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Crossfire

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#23
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tribesman said:
There are many messianic prophecies that some people are making a big issue out of having not been literally fulfilled or fulfilled in "every detail". They use this as an argument that Jesus was not the Messiah. Mined land.
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There it is again... a subtle insinuation that Premillennials are not truly saved. I can't think of a single Premillennial that denies Jesus is the Messsiah or the Christocentric nature of the Old Testament. While I can certainly understand why one would be concerned with Dispensationism, not all Premillennials are Dispensationists. If you would do you homework, you will find that many Premillennials are actually abandoning Dispensationism once they fully understand the errors found within.

Anyways, while most OT has been been fulfilled, not all has and that's a fact. Not all NT prophecy has been fulfilled and that's a fact as well. I believe the key to understanding Revelation is found in the book of Exodus because the two are so very similar. In Exodus, you find an account of God unleashing judgement against Pharaoh and the land of Egypt. Looking through the lense of scripture, it's very easy to distinguish what was allegory and symbolism from what was literal. If we approach the book of Revelation through the same lense of scripture, then we should have a pretty good idea from what is to be taken symbolically and what is to be taken literally. After doing so, it is clear to me that there is much to the book of Revelation that has yet to be fulfilled thus I hold to a Premillennial view.
 
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Crossfire

Guest
#24
#24
Perk said:
Yes, I was surprised by this.
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That's simply because only a small portion of people are willing to discuss their concept of eschatology openly. Most won't because they don't want to be openly ridiculed which happens often in these forums.

If you want to get a better idea, you should hang out in the chatrooms more often and simply listen. Most will not talk about eschatology if approached openly but if you listen I think you will find that Premillennialism seems to be the dominant perspective.
 
tribesman

tribesman

Senior Member
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Oct 13, 2011
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Crossfire said:
There it is again... a subtle insinuation that Premillennials are not truly saved. I can't think of a single Premillennial that denies Jesus is the Messsiah or the Christocentric nature of the Old Testament. While I can certainly understand why one would be concerned with Dispensationism, not all Premillennials are Dispensationists. If you would do you homework, you will find that many Premillennials are actually abandoning Dispensationism once they fully understand the errors found within.

Anyways, while most OT has been been fulfilled, not all has and that's a fact. Not all NT prophecy has been fulfilled and that's a fact as well. I believe the key to understanding Revelation is found in the book of Exodus because the two are so very similar. In Exodus, you find an account of God unleashing judgement against Pharaoh and the land of Egypt. Looking through the lense of scripture, it's very easy to distinguish what was allegory and symbolism from what was literal. If we approach the book of Revelation through the same lense of scripture, then we should have a pretty good idea from what is to be taken symbolically and what is to be taken literally. After doing so, it is clear to me that there is much to the book of Revelation that has yet to be fulfilled thus I hold to a Premillennial view.
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That one about insinuation you got out of the blue, pal. And I have as well never insinuated that all premillenials are dispensationalists, as seen I didn't even use the word dispensational at all in that post. I'm aware that historical premillenials are pretty rough in their critique against the dispys. This said, however, I can only repeat that I basically do see that major flaw in all forms of premillenialism: a strict literal interpretation causing major problems and contradictions. Hence I mentioned the messianic prophecies, as they are a striking example of what such a reasoning may lead to. The same kind of reasoning that non-messianics use to deny the messiahship of Jesus, premillenials use to argue that major prophecies, that are actually relating to the person and work of Christ, are yet to be fulfilled, i.e. since these prophecies are said to not having been fulfilled literally or in "every detail".
 
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Perk

Guest
#26
#26
Perk said:
Yes, I was surprised by this.
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Crossfire said:
That's simply because only a small portion of people are willing to discuss their concept of eschatology openly. Most won't because they don't want to be openly ridiculed which happens often in these forums.

If you want to get a better idea, you should hang out in the chatrooms more often and simply listen. Most will not talk about eschatology if approached openly but if you listen I think you will find that Premillennialism seems to be the dominant perspective.
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I've noticed a lot of dispensational premillennialists. Not to many historic premillennialists. And far fewer amillennialists in the chat rooms. That is why I said I was surprised.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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#27
#27
the eschatology i prefer was not on the list...historicist amillennialism...
 
Dude653

Dude653

Senior Member
#29
Mar 19, 2011
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I don't care about echatology. THERE, i SAID IT!!!!!:D
 
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eternally-gratefull

Guest
#30
#30
what is the difference between historic premillenial and futuristic premillenial. They both beilve in a future millenium.
 
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Perk

Guest
#31
#31
eternally-gratefull said:
what is the difference between historic premillenial and futuristic premillenial. They both beilve in a future millenium.
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A historicist would look to the past to fulfill prophecies, whereas a futurist would look to the future for the fulfillment of prophecies.
 
Bookends

Bookends

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Aug 28, 2012
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Perk said:
A historicist would look to the past to fulfill prophecies, whereas a futurist would look to the future for the fulfillment of prophecies.
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But Historicist still look for a future literal 1000 yr reign demoting Christ from His Heavenly seat to an earth one, don't they?
 
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squidget

Guest
#33
#33
LET US JUST DO WHAT WE ARE CALLED TO DO HERE AND NOW AND DON'T TRY TO PRE GUESS GOD
 
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eternally-gratefull

Guest
#34
#34
Perk said:
A historicist would look to the past to fulfill prophecies, whereas a futurist would look to the future for the fulfillment of prophecies.
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I know of no one hwo looks to past for fulfilled prophesy and not future who is a pre milleenial. they would be an ammilenial.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#35
#35
Bookends said:
But Historicist still look for a future literal 1000 yr reign demoting Christ from His Heavenly seat to an earth one, don't they?
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yes they would, or they would not be a premillenialist
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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eternally-gratefull said:
I know of no one hwo looks to past for fulfilled prophesy and not future who is a pre milleenial. they would be an ammilenial.
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they could also be historicist millennialists...
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#39
#39
Bookends said:
postmillennialist look for a 1000 yr reign too
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yes, thus they are not historical, because they still look for a future fulfillment of prophesy.
 
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Anonimous

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#40
Even before I was a Christian I studied about the future. Pre-Mid-Post. I could some valid points for both Pre and Mid. After awhile I just decided I would let the future rest in God's hands. I'm still interested in it. But, I gotta tell you. I just take one day at atime and do my humanly best to follow Him and live my life until it's done here on earth. The future is His and He is still in control. I believe that what He has written concerning the future will happen just as he planned it. I do believe in the rapture but honestly I'm not sure if it is pre or mid. I do hope it's a pre-trib...but, IF not...and we are here all I can do is to be ready and know that whatever happens my last breath here on earth will be my first in heaven.
 
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