When did time start?

[garee]

Temporal time as we know it ... when did it start? Did time start at the creation of the heavens and earth? If so which day? Did time start with the creation of Adam and Eve? Or did it start when they fell?

My understanding is that prior to the fall, Adam and Eve inhabited an eternal creation. Thus temporal time as we know it did not start until they fell and were exiled from the eternal.

But I'm sure there's no shortage of those who are willing to show me how wrong I am

Amen.
The whole decayingcreation groans and travails in pain together still. I would think in thetwinkling of the eye the father of lies became the god of this world as soon asmankind put his faith in that which the eyes see hearing the voice of a stranger.“Did God really say?” Adam and Eve’s joint response the beginning of theircorruption. They knew they were naked of God and found guilty, they tried tocover their shame with the things the eyes see. They violated the unseen faithin respect to God who has no form.
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[Miri]

Time as humans knew it started on the first day (as a few have said)

Genesis 1:3-5 NKJV
[3] Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light. [4] And God
saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness
[5] God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night.
So the evening and the morning were the first day.


If not day one, then it was definately by day 4.


Genesis 1:14-15,17 NKJV
[14] Then God said, "Let there be lights in the firmament of the
heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs
and seasons, and for days and years; [15] and let them be for
lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth";
and it was so. [17] God set them in the firmament of the heavens to
give light on the earth,

 

[garee]

Time as humans knew it started on the first day (as a few have said)

Genesis 1:3-5 NKJV
[3] Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light. [4] And God
saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness
[5] God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night.
So the evening and the morning were the first day.


If not day one, then it was definately by day 4.


Genesis 1:14-15,17 NKJV
[14] Then God said, "Let there be lights in the firmament of the
heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs
and seasons, and for days and years; [15] and let them be for
lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth";
and it was so. [17] God set them in the firmament of the heavens to
give light on the earth,

I would offer those are two kinds of light sources .One eternal, the other the temporal'

Satan who already said in his heart; “I will be like God”, I will exaltmyself to the throne of God, it would seem that the corruption began on thethird day. Three is used throughout scripture to signify the end of a matter. Theforth which the word four is used to represent the time of testing or trial isthe day he turned on the temporal time keepers that are still ticking taking a corruptiblelicking like the Timex watch.

Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone wasthy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and thejasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanshipof thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wastcreatedThou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thouwast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midstof the stones of fire.Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wastcreated, till iniquity was found in thee.By the multitude of thy merchandisethey have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned:therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I willdestroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.Thineheart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom byreason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay theebefore kings, that they may behold thee.Thou hastdefiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquityof thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.All theythat know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be aterror, and never shalt thou be any more. Ezekiel 28 King James

 

[RickyZ]

How did you miss "evening" and "morning"? Do they not indicate the passage of time daily? Or are you simply looking for an excuse to promote another fantasy?

Let's do something different and leave the personal attacks out, ok? Can we do that for just one thread? If not maybe you can just sit this one out? I was asked in another thread to support an idea I floated. In studying that more questions have arisen and rather than assuming to know the answer I'm here asking for others thoughts on the points of the matter. Too, it's difficult to really quantify because we're talking trying to wrap our 3 dimensional minds around an infinitely dimensional realm. I do welcome your thoughts on the matter, but insist that you leave your other comments at the door. Thank you.


God called the light day and the darkness night. Evening and morning. That's all it really says.

Now, did God assign 24 hours to the cycle of light/dark, or is that something we humans did? Expanding on that, did God create the calendar or is that something we humans did? Does time exist in the eternal or is that something unique to our existence?

The question arises because of another question ... does God have access to all of time, all of the time? Or is He constrained to time, having to do things in the eternal in the same order and at the same time as it happens here on earth?

My contention is that God has access to all of time, all of the (His) time. Meaning He can do something with you right now, then having done that go do something with King David, then having done that pop into Paul's time and do something with him, then having done that come back to our time and do something with me ... and so on.

Does God have access to all of time all of the time, free to come and go on our timeline as He pleases; or

Is God constrained to do things in the eternal in the same order and timing as it happens here on earth?

 

[dcontroversal]

A first day (evening and morning) and the last day ends as described below....

At the sounding of the 7th trump...time shall be no more........

 

[Nehemiah6]

Now, did God assign 24 hours to the cycle of light/dark, or is that something we humans did?

Since everything stated in the book of Genesis was given to Moses by God, Moses was simply putting down what God said regarding the six days of creation. This was not a human invention but a Divine invention. So God did assign a 24-hour day cycle to light and darkness as on the first day of creation. And just so there would be no misunderstanding, He embedded this into the Ten Commandments.

Expanding on that, did God create the calendar or is that something we humans did? Does time exist in the eternal or is that something unique to our existence?

Since the creation account tells us that the heavenly bodies were placed in the heavens for "seasons, for days, for years" (Gen 1:14) it is also clear that the basis of human calendars was established by God Himself. He would also have given men the ability to piece this together, and calendars have existed from very early times.

Obviously time is NOT eternal, but given to mankind to track their existence on earth.

 

[RickyZ]

Since everything stated in the book of Genesis was given to Moses by God, Moses was simply putting down what God said regarding the six days of creation. This was not a human invention but a Divine invention. So God did assign a 24-hour day cycle to light and darkness as on the first day of creation. And just so there would be no misunderstanding, He embedded this into the Ten Commandments.

Since the creation account tells us that the heavenly bodies were placed in the heavens for "seasons, for days, for years" (Gen 1:14) it is also clear that the basis of human calendars was established by God Himself. He would also have given men the ability to piece this together, and calendars have existed from very early times.

Obviously time is NOT eternal, but given to mankind to track their existence on earth.

Good points ... So God gave man the ability to tell the passage of 'time'.

Does this mean God imposed time upon Himself as well? What about the last two questions, which are really the whole point...




Does God have access to all of time all of the time, free to come and go on our timeline as He pleases; or

Is God constrained to do things in the eternal in the same order and timing as it happens here on earth?




Maybe I should move this over to a new thread and make a poll based on those questions.

 

[RickyZ]

A first day (evening and morning) and the last day ends as described below....

At the sounding of the 7th trump...time shall be no more........

Time shall be no more - so there is no time in eternity?

 

[Nehemiah6]

.Does this mean God imposed time upon Himself as well?

No. God transcends time and space.

Does God have access to all of time all of the time, free to come and go on our timeline as He pleases

"Access" might not be the correct term. But God know all things at all times and has known them before they even came into existence. There are Scriptures to support this.

Is God constrained to do things in the eternal in the same order and timing as it happens here on earth?

God being God is constrained by absolutely nothing. However, He does have a time-table for this earth and this universe, and a time will come when "time shall be no more".

 

[mcubed]

Time started Gen 1:1... In the beginning... and continued Yam... the first day, Yam, the second, Yam, the third.... and so on... Roughly 6,000 years ago!!!!


If G-d's Word is true!?!

 

[Noose]

Whether I'm paying attention or not, leaves come out, grow, change colors, fall, and the tree repeats come next spring. I don't see myself in control of time. And, thank you, Lord, for that. Because I can be a complete ditz and forget time all together.

Everything has consciousness including stones. Man just like God, above having the basic consciousness, has the ability to know right and wrong. And all existence is within the mind of God and is time bound, without the mind, time is nothing.

 

[tanakh]

October 22 1970

In my case 6PM on 19 September 1947

 

[dcontroversal]

Time shall be no more - so there is no time in eternity?

I have always viewed time as marked of eternity.....

God is the lofty one that inhabits eternity......eternity is a state and a thought to ponder....

it is a proven fact that the faster you go time slows...this has been proven by watches in space compared to watches on the earth. It has also been demonstrated that when one hits the speed of light that time stops......

GOD is light, dwells in light and by being such and doing such dwells in a permanent state of eternity......

God is TIMELESS and his eternal kingdom dwells outside the boundaries of time.....Time is created "thing" that is playing out to work the will of God for humanity and the redemption of humanity.

There was a first day and it is obvious by the words of JESUS that there is a last day as well......Genesis seems to point out clearly to the fact that there was a first day (evening and morning)

The statement is made that at the sounding of the 7th trump time shall be no more......I view this in this manner...

a. For the saved (resurrected and changed) time shall be no more as they take on their eternal state and eternal body
b. For the nations Time has run out and JESUS seizes control of all nations as LORD
c. For the lost gathered under the beast Time has run out as God will pour out his wrath upon the lost

I am also aware of the 1000 year reign of Christ as well which includes days, nights, years, seasons etc.....

MY view.....Time as we know it for the world ends at the Great White Throne judgment of the lost, the Heaven and Earth will flee from the face of God, they will be found NO MORE....a NEW HEAVEN and NEW EARTH will be created and the saved will enter the HEAVENLY AGE that is eternal and without TIME as we know it.

 

[Depleted]

But God defined day and night by the light and the darkness. Not by time. Is time not actually a construct of the human mind?

Can light and darkness blend? Can we have both light and dark together? When we do, we call it "dawn," "dusk," or "poor lighting." lol

At the first day how long it is doesn't yet matter. It is still a span of time called "day." Time is present and accounted for.

AND, if it is a construct of the human mind, then the only way you can come to that conclusion is to deny God inspired the Bible. After all, even Genesis 1 came from God's inspiration... or some human's mind. Which way do you take it?

 

[Depleted]

Let's do something different and leave the personal attacks out, ok? Can we do that for just one thread? If not maybe you can just sit this one out? I was asked in another thread to support an idea I floated. In studying that more questions have arisen and rather than assuming to know the answer I'm here asking for others thoughts on the points of the matter. Too, it's difficult to really quantify because we're talking trying to wrap our 3 dimensional minds around an infinitely dimensional realm. I do welcome your thoughts on the matter, but insist that you leave your other comments at the door. Thank you.


God called the light day and the darkness night. Evening and morning. That's all it really says.

Now, did God assign 24 hours to the cycle of light/dark, or is that something we humans did? Expanding on that, did God create the calendar or is that something we humans did? Does time exist in the eternal or is that something unique to our existence?

The question arises because of another question ... does God have access to all of time, all of the time? Or is He constrained to time, having to do things in the eternal in the same order and at the same time as it happens here on earth?

My contention is that God has access to all of time, all of the (His) time. Meaning He can do something with you right now, then having done that go do something with King David, then having done that pop into Paul's time and do something with him, then having done that come back to our time and do something with me ... and so on.

Does God have access to all of time all of the time, free to come and go on our timeline as He pleases; or

Is God constrained to do things in the eternal in the same order and timing as it happens here on earth?

I think Genesis 1 proves God created time. He was before time. He was after time. He was during time. He always was eternally, and we really cannot wrap our heads around that one.

Since you're questioning time and where God stands in it/apart from it, I suspect this video will get your interest. Even if you disagree, you'll find it quite a bit at the core of what you're trying to understand.

[video=youtube;Bj6mZiRRuUU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj6mZiRRuUU[/video]

 

[garee]

But God defined day and night by the light and the darkness. Not by time. Is time not actually a construct of the human mind?

He has set the Sun and moon as time keepers on the fourth day, the day after he found iniquity in heart of one who was in the garden .Mankind was created on the sixth day represented by the number 666.

In the new heaven and earth when we have received the promise of our new incorruptible bodies there will be no Sun or moon just as it was up until the fourth day, forever more.


Revelation 21:23
And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

Revelation 22:5
And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever

 

[preacher4truth]

I thought the first day happened in Genesis 1:5.

 

[Noose]

I think Genesis 1 proves God created time. He was before time. He was after time. He was during time. He always was eternally, and we really cannot wrap our heads around that one.

Since you're questioning time and where God stands in it/apart from it, I suspect this video will get your interest. Even if you disagree, you'll find it quite a bit at the core of what you're trying to understand.

[video=youtube;Bj6mZiRRuUU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj6mZiRRuUU[/video]

Time is not created- it is a measurement/ a rate that is by itself nothing outside a conscious mind like all the other measurements.Kilograms and liters were not created and it is the mind that gives them meaning by estimation with regards to size. Time is immaterial and all immaterial things were not created; darkness/pressure/temperature/space- they have no material source.
There is a beginning but only with respect to man and/or other created things. Before the beginning, immaterial things existed within God who is Himself immaterial (and can not be created- God is a mind Himself).
So, when it comes to time before the beginning, it is only with respect to God and this is what God usually uses terms like "ancient of days..", " rock of ages..." because we can not wrap our minds around this infinity.

in our case, time as we know it (days/weeks/months/years) is a result of other created objects. our visual ability allows the mind to experience the passage of time when we note the differences that are created by the earths movement against a visible sun. Even God said- let these be for seasons and time- only with respect to man and other creatures.

 

[garee]

I thought the first day happened in Genesis 1:5.

I would think those days were not measured by time even though they were subject to it. The switch was turned on the fourth day . I think he knew in advance that people would worship the Sun as the beginning. Many Sun gods called miracles of the Sun . Its the kind of thing the Catholics follow after.

 

[Jeshuvan]

hi i believe time started at creation after all God created day and night.Naturally God himself is eternal