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The word, "ELECT" appears 22 times in the Bible. This is the same number of times the word, "Tribulation" is used. The word ELECT is found 4 times in the OT, all in Isaiah. This is the first place it is used.

Isaiah 42:1 NKJV

"Behold! My Servant whom I uphold, My Elect One in whom My soul delights! I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the Gentiles.

Isaiah 45:4 NKJV

For Jacob My servant's sake, And Israel My elect, I have even called you by your name; I have named you, though you have not known Me.

Isaiah 65:9 NKJV

I will bring forth descendants from Jacob, And from Judah an heir of My mountains; My elect shall inherit it, And My servants shall dwell there.

From these passages it is crystal clear that the ELECT are JEWISH believers. The ELECT bring forth Justice to the Gentiles, thus the ELECT are NOT predominately Gentile.

The next time the word ELECT is used is in the Olivet where Jesus uses it 6 times in the Mat and Mark accounts. He does NOT use the term in Luke's account. The reference to the ELECT are specific to "shortening the days to save them" and to "gather" them. The only time the word, ELECT appears in Luke is right here:

Luke 18:7-8 NKJV

7 And shall God not avenge His own elect who cry out day and night to Him, though He bears long with them?
8 I tell you that He will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will He really find faith on the earth?"



In the above we are introduced to the concept of divine vengeance for the Elect when Christ returns. Christ did not return in or around AD 70.

Paul, like Christ, also uses the word ELECT six times, including here:

Romans 11:7 NKJV

What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

Thus Paul has introduced the concept that some in Israel are "ELECT" but not the whole nation. Paul tells us some of Israel will be blinded. Salvation has come to the Gentiles specifically to provoke the Jews to jealousy.

11 I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles.

Paul uses the word, ELECT twice in Romans. As we know the Church in Rome was predominately Jewish. Paul uses the term twice in Timothy and once in Titus - Both Jews. But just as Paul teaches the Gentile believers are grafted in with the Jewish Olive tree in Romans 11 and just as Jesus teaches that salvation is of the Jews in the Book of John, Paul reinforces this concept in the only other place he uses the word Elect (Col 3):

11 where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcised nor uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave nor free, but Christ is all and in all.

12 Therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, put on tender mercies, kindness, humility, meekness, longsuffering;

Therefore we know that the ELECT are chosen of God and they are in Israel during the Tribulation.

While John doesn't use the term, ELECT, in Revelation he does discuss a select group of Jews which he calls the 144,000. John makes clear that the 144K are of Jewish descent. John further makes clear that the 144K are sealed before the trumpets sound. John teaches that the 144K are with Christ on Mt. Zion when Christ returns. Isaiah compares and contrasts the Elect with blinded Jews. Zechariah teaches that 2/3 of Israel will be cut off and 1/3 will be refined and saved. All of these passages are related and none reference the CHURCH as a separate entity.

Therefore we have strong evidence that the "Great Tribulation" is future and applies specifically to Israel. The remnant are Jewish and they are the ELECT. To the extent that there are Gentile believers gathered when Christ returns they are clearly grafted in with the Jewish Olive Tree. The fate of the church seems bleak. Only 1 of the 7 churches are promised to be spared the TEST that will come upon the whole world. This test is deception.
 
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That is your theory,

which contradicts the facts of the parallel passage in Lk 21:20-24,
which is the authoritative Biblical explanation of Mt 24:15-22.
20 "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near.

21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her.

22 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

What were the "days of vengeance, that all things which were written have been fulfilled" back in AD 70? Is there any prophesy that discusses Jerusalem being surrounded to have yet been fulfilled?

Is this future, Rev 20?

9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.

How about Ezek 38? Is this future?

15 Then you will come from your place out of the far north, you and many peoples with you, all of them riding on horses, a great company and a mighty army.

16 You will come up against My people Israel like a cloud, to cover the land. It will be in the latter days that I will bring you against My land, so that the nations may know Me, when I am hallowed in you, O Gog, before their eyes."

18 "And it will come to pass at the same time, when Gog comes against the land of Israel," says the Lord God, "that My fury will show in My face.


Is this future, from Joel 3?

6 Also the people of Judah and the people of Jerusalem You have sold to the Greeks, That you may remove them far from their borders.

11 Assemble and come, all you nations, And gather together all around. Cause Your mighty ones to go down there, O Lord.

12 "Let the nations be wakened, and come up to the Valley of Jehoshaphat; For there I will sit to judge all the surrounding nations.


Similar passages discuss Jerusalem coming under attack in the latter days. You have to recognize that we are given historical similarities as lessons so that when future prophesy is taking place we will recognize. Titus was NOT the Man of Sin. That period was NOT the Great Tribulation. The Gospel had NOT been preached to the world, not be a long shot by AD 70.

You might want to pay attention to current events in and around Israel Elin. Things are starting to happen. The same exact bad nations mentioned in Ezek 38-39 are aligning.
 
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20 "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near.

21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her.

22 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
The[parallel passage of Luke 21:20 shows that "the abomination which causes desolation" of Mt 24:15
is "Jerusalem surrounded by armies."

What were the "days of vengeance,
You can start with the Covenant curses of Lev 26:14-39; Dt 28:15-68 for trashing the Old Covenant.

You might want to pay attention to current events in and around Israel Elin. Things are starting to happen. The same exact bad nations mentioned in Ezek 38-39 are aligning.
I hear ya'.
 

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You can start with the Covenant curses of Lev 26:14-39; Dt 28:15-68 for trashing the Old Covenant.


I hear ya'.
We can both effectively argue our positions all day long and neither of us will convince the other to change their minds. You feel that the all events prior to Mat 24:27 in the Olivet have been fulfilled with the next big event to be the return of Jesus. Pre-tribbers believe that the next event on the Prophetic Calendar is also the return of Jesus. That is an interesting thing you both have in common. You think the False One was Titus and that he already came. Pre-tribbers think Christ comes before "the AntiChrist" comes to deceive the world.

In both cases Preterists and Pre-Tribbers see the next big event as Christ's Return. So, if the Man of Sin (AKA False Christ/God) comes next looking like, sounding like, performing miracles like, making peace like the true Messiah, how many of you will be fooled? How many Jews will be fooled? We know the answer to that one - 2/3. Most are still waiting for their Messiah to "save them" from their enemies.

I am convinced that the next big event to happen on the Prophetic Calender will be this False God that Paul speaks of appearing in Jerusalem. Whether or not it he is the same person that Christ discusses in the Olivet is academic to me. Therefore if such a figure appears I will NOT worship Him and NOT believe him. I'm not saying you will either. I'm just saying you will be more predisposed to believing in a fake supernatural creature than those of us who are Post Tribbers.

For me it doesn't make any sense that Paul would warn the Thessalonians in AD 50 of the appearance of Titus some 20 years +/- later and that Titus comes before Christ when Christ won't return for ~2,000 years. Besides, I don't think too many Jews worshiped Titus as Messiah when he was killing them. I don't think Christ would worry about Titus fooling anyone either when He warns the ELECT.
 
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We can both effectively argue our positions all day long and neither of us will convince the other to change their minds.
You feel that the all events prior to Mat 24:27 in the Olivet have been fulfilled
No, you have me confused with someone else.

I believe only Mt 24:15-22, which refers to the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple, has been fulfilled.

I believe Mt 24:4-14, which are stated before Mt 24:27, as well as Mt 24:23-31 refer to the second coming at the end of time.

with the next big event to be the return of Jesus. Pre-tribbers believe that the next event on the Prophetic Calendar is also the return of Jesus. That is an interesting thing you both have in common.
You think the False One was Titus and that he already came.
No, you have me confused with someone else.
I don't think Mt 24:15 refers to the anti-Christ.

I think Mt 24:15-22 is explained in its parallel passage of the same event in Lk 21:20-24,
where the first verse of each passage corresponds to the other,
where "standing in the holy place, 'the abomination that causes desolation' " of Mt 24:15
corresponds to "Jerusalem being surrounded by armies" in the holy place of Lk 21:20.

Pre-tribbers think Christ comes before "the AntiChrist" comes to deceive the world.

In both cases Preterists and Pre-Tribbers see the next big event as Christ's Return. So, if the Man of Sin (AKA False Christ/God) comes next looking like, sounding like, performing miracles like, making peace like the true Messiah, how many of you will be fooled? How many Jews will be fooled? We know the answer to that one - 2/3. Most are still waiting for their Messiah to "save them" from their enemies.

I am convinced that
the next big event to happen on the Prophetic Calender will be this False God that Paul speaks of appearing in Jerusalem.
That would fit NT teaching.

Whether or not it he is the same person that Christ discusses in the Olivet is academic to me.
I think Lk 21:20 makes clear that it is not.

Therefore if such a figure appears I will NOT worship Him and NOT believe him. I'm not saying you will either. I'm just saying
you will be more predisposed to believing in a fake supernatural creature
than those of us who are Post Tribbers.
You have me confused with someone else.
I am a post-tribber. . .see the OP.

For me it doesn't make any sense that Paul would warn the Thessalonians in AD 50 of the appearance of Titus some 20 years +/- later and that Titus comes before Christ when Christ won't return for ~2,000 years. Besides, I don't think too many Jews worshiped Titus as Messiah when he was killing them. I don't think Christ would worry about Titus fooling anyone either when He warns the ELECT.
I can't disagree.
 
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The abomination of desolation is the antichrist standing in the holy of holies in the temple claiming to be god.

Not the surrounding of Jerusalem.
 
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Elin said:
I don't think Mt 24:15 refers to the anti-Christ.

I think Mt 24:15-22 is explained in its parallel passage of the same event in Lk 21:20-24,
where the first verse of each passage corresponds to the other,
where "standing in the holy place, 'the abomination that causes desolation' " of Mt 24:15
corresponds to "Jerusalem being surrounded by armies" in the holy place of Lk 21:20.
The abomination of desolation is the antichrist standing in the holy of holies in the temple claiming to be god.

Not the surrounding of Jerusalem
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I think we have to accept the parallel passages of Mt 24:15-22 and Lk 21:20-24 as self-explanatory
and authoritative.
 
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I think we have to accept the parallel passages of Mt 24:15-22 and Lk 21:20-24 as self-explanatory
and authoritative.
We do have to use the parallel, but notice how in Luke it says when Jerusalem is surrounded the desolation draws near.

Then when you go back to Matthew it talks about abomination of desolation spoken of in Daniel, so now when you go to Daniel chp. 9 it shows that the abomination of desolation is the antichrist standing in the temple. He makes confirms a covenant with many for a week, but breaks it in the middle, and puts an end to daily sacrifices.

Then to put it in more perspective, in Ezekiel he is given a vision of a temple to be built. The dimensions that are given do not match the first two temples, so it has to be a third. And because of actual dimensions given it can not be symbolic of us becoming the temple.
 
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We do have to use the parallel, but notice how in Luke it says when Jerusalem is surrounded the desolation draws near.
It draws near at the surrounding, and then occurs at the entering, when the Temple and the Holy City are destroyed.
 

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The abomination of desolation is the antichrist standing in the holy of holies in the temple claiming to be god.

Not the surrounding of Jerusalem.
We do have to use the parallel, but notice how in Luke it says when Jerusalem is surrounded the desolation draws near.

Then when you go back to Matthew it talks about abomination of desolation spoken of in Daniel, so now when you go to Daniel chp. 9 it shows that the abomination of desolation is the antichrist standing in the temple. He makes confirms a covenant with many for a week, but breaks it in the middle, and puts an end to daily sacrifices.

Then to put it in more perspective, in Ezekiel he is given a vision of a temple to be built. The dimensions that are given do not match the first two temples, so it has to be a third. And because of actual dimensions given it can not be symbolic of us becoming the temple.
IF you say the abomination of Desolation is the Antichrist, then who are the false christs?

Mat 24:15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

LET US SIMPLIFY THE ABOVE AS YOU UNDERSTAND IT...WHEN YOU SEE THE ANTICHRIST....

Mat 24:16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Mat 24:17Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Mat 24:18Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Mat 24:19And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

...WHEN YOU SEE THE ANTICHRIST....
THEN:
1. THOSE IN JUDEA FLEE
2. FOR THERE SHALL BE GREAT TRIBULATION
Mat 24:23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Mat 24:24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
THEN....WHAT...
3. FOR THE SHALL ARISE FALSE CHRISTS.....

If the AntiChrist was already revealed in the abomination of Desolation....Who are these False Christs that shall arise after the abomination of Desolation?

Plainword can also respond to this question...

 

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No, you have me confused with someone else.

I believe only Mt 24:15-22, which refers to the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple, has been fulfilled.

I believe Mt 24:4-14, which are stated before Mt 24:27, as well as Mt 24:23-31 refer to the second coming at the end of time.
That's good but do you see a deception coming or is that in the past?

I think Mt 24:15-22 is explained in its parallel passage of the same event in Lk 21:20-24,
where the first verse of each passage corresponds to the other,
where "standing in the holy place, 'the abomination that causes desolation' " of Mt 24:15
corresponds to "Jerusalem being surrounded by armies" in the holy place of Lk 21:20.
I'll concede it is possible. However, I don't understand how these preceding verses are explained by AD 70 events.

18 But not a hair of your head shall be lost.

19 By your patience possess your souls.


Most of the disciples were dead by AD 70, so obviously "hair was lost." Then we come to verse 19 which appears in many places this concept of patience. If by patience you keep your souls would not the opposite apply? In other words if you are not patient do you lose your soul? I don't mean lose it as in don't go to heaven, I mean lose it as in you die. A person only possess their souls while they are living. So, the lesson here seems to be if you are not patient, you die.

So, what was going on circa AD 70 that required patience or loss of life?? I cannot think of anything. There was no call to "go out" and see Titus. There was no grand deception. These events also transpired prior to John writing Revelation and his warnings to the churches.

However, if there is a yet future false Christ/God coming to deceive followed by the real Christ then this passage makes total sense. Let's face it, none of us has seen Christ or has any clue what He looks like. So if you are expecting Christ to return next and a divine being comes acting like Christ would you not be more likely to be fooled???

I am still unclear Elin in what you believe concerning Paul's "Man of Sin" this False One. Has he come or do you think he comes before Christ? To me it matters not if the AoD was past as long as there is a Man of Sin in the future. However, the Luke account makes no mention of the Abomination of Desolation whereas the Matthew and Mark accounts do. To me that's pretty telling.
 
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The abomination of desolation is the antichrist standing in the holy of holies in the temple claiming to be god.

Not the surrounding of Jerusalem.
I agree with this. I do think the AoD spoken of by Christ and Daniel are the same person that Paul calls the Man of Sin and I do see this as yet future. However, I am open to being wrong about this because neither Daniel or Christ make any mention of this being in a temple.

There is no temple at the moment and it does seem like the stage is being set for the events of Ezek 38-39 to unfold. Personally I think when Israel realizes there will never be peace with her enemies and if one big Islamic attack happens they may just say "the heck with it, the heck with world opinion" and go wipe these people out. While they are at it, they may as well take over the Temple Mount and destroy that pagan building and built the 3rd temple. This could all happen in a matter of a year.

But I agree that the smart money is on this being yet future.
 
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Elin said:
That's good but do you see a deception coming or is that in the past?
I see:

Mt 24:4-15 - referring to the second coming, including the deception of vv. 4-5, 11,

Mt 24:15-22 - transitioning to the destruction of the Temple in the destruction of Jerusalem,

Mt 24:23-31 - transitioning back to the second coming, including the deception of vv. 23-25.

I see the deception as coming.


I think Mt 24:15-22 is explained in its parallel passage of the same event in Lk 21:20-24,
where the first verse of each passage corresponds to the other,
where "standing in the holy place, 'the abomination that causes desolation' " of Mt 24:15
corresponds to "Jerusalem being surrounded by armies" in the holy place of Lk 21:20.
I'll concede it is possible. However, I don't understand how these preceding verses are explained by AD 70 events.

18 But not a hair of your head shall be lost.

19 By your patience possess your souls.

Those verses are not in my bible in Mt 24.
I am discussing Mt 24 only.


Most of the disciples were dead by AD 70, so obviously "hair was lost." Then we come to verse 19 which appears in many places this concept of patience. If by patience you keep your souls would not the opposite apply? In other words if you are not patient do you lose your soul? I don't mean lose it as in don't go to heaven, I mean lose it as in you die. A person only possess their souls while they are living. So, the lesson here seems to be if you are not patient, you die.

So, what was going on circa AD 70 that required patience or loss of life?? I cannot think of anything. There was no call to "go out" and see Titus. There was no grand deception. These events also transpired prior to John writing Revelation and his warnings to the churches.

However, if there is a yet future false Christ/God coming to deceive followed by the real Christ then this passage makes total sense. Let's face it, none of us has seen Christ or has any clue what He looks like.
Agreed.

So if you are expecting Christ to return next and a divine being comes acting like Christ would you not be more likely to be fooled???
You are discounting the Holy Spirit's preserving the elect from deception (Mt 24:24).

I am still unclear Elin in what you believe concerning Paul's "Man of Sin" this False One. Has he come or do you think he comes before Christ?
I understand Paul to be saying he will be destroyed when Christ returns.
He could be here now, unrevealed, or he could come later and will be revealed.

To me it matters not if the AD was past as long as there is a Man of Sin in the future. However, the Luke account makes no mention of the Abomination of Desolation whereas the Matthew and Mark accounts do. To me that's pretty telling.[/QUOTE]
Do you understand what parallel passages means?

The fact that Luke parallels the "surrounding of Jerusalem by armies" with Matthew's "the abomination that causes desolation"
tells you what Matthew means.
 
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I think we have to accept the parallel passages of Mt 24:15-22 and Lk 21:20-24 as self-explanatory
and authoritative.
The bigger question isn't whether or not these are parallel. The bigger question is, "Does Daniel's account of the AoD in Daniel 11-12 fit Titus or any other historical figure?" I think the answer to that is a resounding NO!! Jesus invokes Daniel in both Mat and Mark- He doesn't invoke Luke.
 
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The bigger question isn't whether or not these are parallel.
The bigger question is, "Does Daniel's account of the AoD in Daniel 11-12 fit Titus or any other historical figure?" I think the answer to that is a resounding NO!! Jesus invokes Daniel in both Mat and Mark- He doesn't invoke Luke.
That is a question related to another issue.

My issue in Mt 24 is the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.
Luke establishes the meaning of "the abomination that causes desolation" in the destruction of Jerusalem.
 

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The problem is Matt. 24 doesn't seem to transition from AD 70 to the Return of Christ. Preterists are at least consistent to view it as all past, though their view is heresy. Futurists are consistent to see the AoD as future. While there is obvious foreshadowing in AD 70 much like Antioches foreshadowed the AoD but is not the AoD, so too there must be a future antichrist who will fulfill the prophecies of Jesus.
 
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I don't understand how these preceding verses are explained by AD 70 events.

18 But not a hair of your head shall be lost.

19 By your patience possess your souls
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They are not.

You are seeing all three parts the passages as occurring chronologically from beginning to end.
The occurrences are not chronological.

Luke 21:8-36 parallels Mt 24:4-31, both about the second coming at the end of time.

In the middle of the passage of Mt 24:4-31 on the second coming,
Mt deals with the destruction of Jerusalem (vv. 15-22).

In the middle of the passage of Lk 21:8-36 on the second coming,
Lk also deals with the destruction of Jerusalem (vv. 20-24).

In both accounts, the second part of the passages (destruction of Jerusalem)
does not occur in chronological order after the first part (second coming),
but before the first part.

The prophecy is not all in chronological order of occurrence, which is common in OT prophecies.

Lk 21:18-19
are in the first part of the passage dealing with Jesus second coming,
but they do not occur first.
The first part (second coming) occurs only after the second part (destruction of Jerusalem).

The chronological order of the occurrence of three parts is: part two, part one, part three.


18) "Not a hair of your head will perish."

In the events referring to the second coming at the end of time, they will be absolutely
eternally secure from spiritual loss, down to their last hair.

19) "By perserverance, you will gain eternal life."

In the events referring to the second coming at the end of time, only those who persevere
will gain eternal life.
Those who fall away will not.

The Holy Spirit will keep the elect in perseverance.
The non-elect will enjoy no such keeping.

I also see the events referring to the
second coming at the end of time (parts one and three)
as referring to the entire church age.
 
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The problem is Matt. 24 doesn't seem to transition from AD 70 to the Return of Christ.
I see Mt 24 as referring to the entire church age, not necessarily in specifically detailed chronological order, but with specific reference to the destruction of Jerusalem in vv. 15-22.

Keeping in mind that Josephus describes the destruction of Jerusalem in these very terms.

Preterists are at least consistent to view it as all past, though their view is heresy. Futurists are consistent to see the AoD as future. While there is obvious foreshadowing in AD 70 much like Antioches foreshadowed the AoD but is not the AoD, so too
there must be a future antichrist who will fulfill the prophecies of Jesus.
As well as of Paul.
 

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That is a question related to another issue.

My issue in Mt 24 is the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.
Luke establishes the meaning of "the abomination that causes desolation" in the destruction of Jerusalem.

Luke never mentions the Abomination of Desolation. Have you ever considered that Luke focused more on the destruction of the Temple rather than the Great Tribulation/AoD period where the other two accounts focused more on the GT/AoD. This would be possible if Jesus described the same set of circumstances in Jerusalem for both periods of time. History repeats.

Regardless, Luke's account is different and again does not mention the AoD or Daniel where the other accounts do. Thus it is not a different issue if Mat and Mark were focusing more on Daniel's account. There has been no figure that I am aware of who stood in the Temple declaring to be God who deceived multitudes of Jews and Christians.

Now consider these passage from Daniel 11:

21 And in his place shall arise a vile person, to whom they will not give the honor of royalty; but he shall come in peaceably, and seize the kingdom by intrigue.

37 He shall regard neither the God of his fathers nor the desire of women, nor regard any god; for he shall exalt himself above them all.

Titus did not take Jerusalem by peace and intrigue, he took it by brute force.

Titus was married twice to Arrecina Tertulla and Marcia Furnilla. So it cannot be said that had no desire for women. I'm sorry, but Titus DOES NOT fit as the Abomination of Desolation spoken of by Daniel. Now step back to Dan 11:35:

35 And some of those of understanding shall fall, to refine them, purify them, and make them white, until the time of the end; because it is still for the appointed time.

This is supposed to happen at the time of the end. Now it doesn't say end of what, but if you read on to the beginning of Chapter 12 we see that it happens at the very end. If you compare the above to Zech 13 you find a match as both passage discuss the remnant being refined, purified and tested.

8 And it shall come to pass in all the land," Says the Lord, "That two-thirds in it shall be cut off and die, But one-third shall be left in it:

9 I will bring the one-third through the fire, Will refine them as silver is refined, And test them as gold is tested. They will call on My name, And I will answer them. I will say, 'This is My people'; And each one will say, 'The Lord is my God.' "
 
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Luke never mentions the Abomination of Desolation.
Okay, you need to go learn what parallel passages are, and their significance.

Your responses indicate they have no meaning or significance to you.

Parallel passages serve as an explanation where explanations exist in them.
Those explanations of one passage by its parallel passage are Biblical,
not private and uncertain, explanations.