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Jesus feet were on the mount of Olives around 30 AD. From then on Zech 14 came into fulfilment eschatologically. The Rapture will end all things. There will be no millennial kingdom, which is simply a misinterpretation of Rev 20 which speaks of the current age.
How about that? I almost forgot how we all remember this happening,

Zechariah 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

(But the Mount of Olives has been super glued, since.)
 
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The twenty four elders work in cohesion with the four living creatures (Cherubim) before the throne. As INDIVIDUALS they speak to John. It is quite clear then that they are heavenly beings. They wear golden crowns and sit on thrones because they represent us, not because they are us. They are priestly angels offering up the prayers of God's people.
Hope you get the chance to set the elders straight as to their mistaken identities, then,

Revelation 5:8-9 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation.
 
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No Millennial Kingdom? awe you preach and teach that because man in his /her own power are going to be given the Fruit of the Garden, one more time, that he / she can create its Own Kingdom, building the kingdom from a Carnal interpretation of the Scripture! hath God really said? 'ye shall be like gods' knowing good and evil.. but there will be a MILLENNIAL Kingdom . oh Yes.. Ushered upon His Arrival From Heaven , where He steps foot on the Mount of Olives, the same place He was Betrayed! indeed! if there is no Millennial Kingdom, then what's going to stop us from Building our own? awwwee.. you see the Hiss of the Serpent... hath God really said.. oooo.. the winds of the Mystery of Iniquity!
 

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How about that? I almost forgot how we all remember this happening,

Zechariah 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

(But the Mount of Olives has been super glued, since.)
but the consequence of Jesus standing on the mount of Olives was that from Jerusalem witnesses (olive trees - Zech 4) went north and south with the Gospel. This was simply an eschatological way of describing the impact of Christ's death and resurrection. It ties in with the fact that all was daylight, there was no longer night.

Zechariah is a highly eschatological book. You should read the whole.
 

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How about that? I almost forgot how we all remember this happening,

Zechariah 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

(But the Mount of Olives has been super glued, since.)
but the consequence of Jesus standing on the mount of Olives was that from Jerusalem witnesses (olive trees - Zech 4) went north and south with the Gospel. This was simply an eschatological way of describing the impact of Christ's death and resurrection. It ties in with the fact that all was daylight, there was no longer night.

Zechariah is a highly eschatological book. You should read the whole.
 

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Hope you get the chance to set the elders straight as to their mistaken identities, then,

Revelation 5:8-9 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation.
Try reading it in a modern version not tied to the KJV. Try the ASV, or the NIV, or the RSV, etc etc
 

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No Millennial Kingdom? awe you preach and teach that because man in his /her own power are going to be given the Fruit of the Garden, one more time, that he / she can create its Own Kingdom, building the kingdom from a Carnal interpretation of the Scripture! hath God really said? 'ye shall be like gods' knowing good and evil.. but there will be a MILLENNIAL Kingdom . oh Yes.. Ushered upon His Arrival From Heaven , where He steps foot on the Mount of Olives, the same place He was Betrayed! indeed! if there is no Millennial Kingdom, then what's going to stop us from Building our own? awwwee.. you see the Hiss of the Serpent... hath God really said.. oooo.. the winds of the Mystery of Iniquity!
There is no suggestion in Rev 20 that Christ and the SOULS of the saints will reign on earth. Their reign is in Heaven. They have all partaken of the first resurrection, CHRIST's resurrection. Their SOULS share with Him His resurrection (Eph 2.5-6; Col 3.1; Rom 6.2-11).
 
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Nope. That’s when antichrist breaks the covenant after 3 1/2 years.
Nope. There is no antichrist 'covenant'. There is no 7-year tribulation period.

These erroneous ideas come from the misinterpretation of Daniel 9:24-27.

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No.




You have missed some very important facts:

~ The 70th week of Daniel is history.

There is no gap in the 70 weeks of Daniel. All 70 weeks "came and went" unbroken.

~ There is no 7-year treaty between an / any / some / the antichrist and Israel.

Daniel 9:

[SUP]27[/SUP] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:
and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


The word 'he' in this verse ( all three ) is referring to Christ, not an / any / some / the antichrist.

The phrase 'confirm the covenant' is referring to the confirming of an [ existing ] covenant, not the creating of a treaty.

This is referring to the crucifixion of Christ and the veil of the temple being rent in two.

This is referring to the destruction of the temple.

This is saying, in effect, that there will be no third temple --- the phrase 'until the consummation' essentially means, "until the end of all things" - and is pointing to the return of Christ ( Second Coming of Christ ).

This is talking about the post 70 A.D. aftermath.

~ The First Covenant will never resume.

Yes - God still has plans for Israel. However, the Old Covenant has been "replaced" with the New Covenant.

You are "out of context" on the Matthew verses.

~ What defines the "coming" of Christ is not based on whether His feet touch the ground; rather, it is based on the will of God, the plan of God, and the prophecy of God.

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No it is not talking about 70 A.D., it is talking about the FUTURE of ISRAEL, that happens after the Church-age.

No THIRD TEMPLE? LOL, it is already started, all of the TEMPLE Artifacts are already made to EXACT Biblical Specifications. The LEVITE Priests are already TRAINED. The Levite Priest's garments, including the High Priest Garments are already finished. The Blue Prints for the Third Temple is ALREADY FINISHED.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCsEMjpZZoo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6prYdPPPaQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ktf9RBkdqks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxXcL7Px7is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EyPPFJ8Giw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Hng2mVVjJs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVJnAE4x1Ro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbcSJK0VOdg
 

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There is no suggestion in Rev 20 that Christ and the SOULS of the saints will reign on earth. Their reign is in Heaven. They have all partaken of the first resurrection, CHRIST's resurrection. Their SOULS share with Him His resurrection (Eph 2.5-6; Col 3.1; Rom 6.2-11).
Well, Valiant, that would make you wrong:

Revelation 5:10 (ESV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] and you have made them a kingdom and priests to our God, and they shall reign on the earth.”
 

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but the consequence of Jesus standing on the mount of Olives was that from Jerusalem witnesses (olive trees - Zech 4) went north and south with the Gospel. This was simply an eschatological way of describing the impact of Christ's death and resurrection. It ties in with the fact that all was daylight, there was no longer night.

Zechariah is a highly eschatological book. You should read the whole.

NO, it is LITERAL at HIS SECOND COMING, to take HIS rightful place on the THRONE OF DAVID for a Thousand Years.
 

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How about that? I almost forgot how we all remember this happening,

Zechariah 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

(But the Mount of Olives has been super glued, since.)

AND that certainly did not happen in 70 A.D.

You paying attention GaryA?
 

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I am just agreed just let God handle this because He can better handle everything. Praise God.

Hi, Adeel, welcome aboard. Will look forward to meeting you personally on the way up to meet our LORD in the Air. :)
 

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Nope. There is no antichrist 'covenant'. There is no 7-year tribulation period.

These erroneous ideas come from the misinterpretation of Daniel 9:24-27.

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Check Out the Theologians that Disagree with you, including Dr. John MacArthur who is President of the Master's Seminary near Los Angeles, California:

Daniel 9:27 (ASV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease; and upon the wing of abominations shall come one that maketh desolate; and even unto the full end, and that determined, shall wrath be poured out upon the desolate.

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9:27 Then. This is surely the end of the age, the Second Advent judgment, because the bringing in of righteousness did not occur seven years after the death of the Messiah, nor did the destruction of Jerusalem fit the seven-year period (occurring thirty-seven years later). This is the future seven-year period which ends with sin’s final judgment and Christ’s reign of righteousness; i.e., the return of Christ and the establishment of His rule. These seven years constitute the seventieth week of Daniel. he shall confirm. He is the last-mentioned prince (v. 26), leader of the Roman sphere (cf. chs. 2; 7), the Antichrist who comes in the latter days. The time is in the future Tribulation period of “one week,” i.e., the final seven years of verse 24. He confirms (lit., causes to prevail) a seven-year covenant, his own pact with Israel, that will actually turn out to be for a shorter time. The leader in this covenant is the “little horn” of 7:7, 8, 20, 21, 24-26, and the evil leader found in NT prophecy (Mark 13:14; 2 Thess. 2:3-10; Rev. 13:1-10). That he is in the future, even after Christ’s First Advent, is shown by: (1) Matthew 24:15; (2) the time references that match (7:25; Rev. 11:2, 3; 12:14; 13:5); and (3) the end extending to the Second Advent, matching the duration elsewhere mentioned in Daniel (2:35, 45; 7:15ff.; 12:1-3) and Revelation 11:2; 12:14; 13:5. middle of the week. This is the halfway point of the seventieth week of years, i.e., seven years leading to Christ’s Second Coming. The Antichrist will break his covenant with Israel (v. 27a), which has resumed its ancient sacrificial system. Three and one-half years of Tribulation remain, agreeing with the time in other Scriptures (7:25; Rev. 11:2, 3; 12:14; 13:5, called “Great Tribulation,” cf. Matt. 24:21) as a period when God’s wrath intensifies. abominations... one who makes desolate. The Antichrist will cause abomination against Jewish religion. This violation will desolate or ruin what Jews regard as sacred, namely their holy temple and the honoring of God’s presence there (cf. 1 Kin. 9:3; 2 Thess. 2:4). Jesus refers directly to this text in His Olivet discourse (Matt. 24:15). See note on 11:31. the consummation. God permits this tribulation during the Antichrist’s persecutions and then ultimately triumphs by judging the sin and sinners in Israel (12:7) and in the world (cf. Jer. 25:31). This includes the Antichrist (11:45; Rev. 19:20), and all who deserve judgment (9:24; Matt. 13:41-43).
The MacArthur Bible Commentary.
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate [Dan. 9:25-27].

The starting point for this period of 490 years is essential to the correct understanding of the prophecy. Since this period is projected into the Times of the Gentiles, it must fit into secular history and originate from some date connected with the Times of the Gentiles. Of course there have been many suggestions for a starting point: the decree of Cyrus (see Ezra 1:1-4); the decree of Darius (see Ezra 6:1-12); the decree of Artaxerxes -- at the seventh year of his reign (Ezra 7:11-26); but I feel that the decree of Artaxerxes in the twentieth year of his reign (Neh. 2:1-8) meets the requirements of verse 25. The commandment to rebuild the city of Jerusalem was issued in the month Nisan 445 B.C. That, then, will be our starting point.
The first seven weeks of forty-nine years bring us to 397 B.C. and to Malachi and the end of the Old Testament. These were "troublous times," as witnessed by both Nehemiah and Malachi.
Sixty-two weeks, or 434 years, bring us to the Messiah. Sir Robert Anderson in his book, The Coming Prince, has worked out the time schedule. From the first of the month Nisan to the tenth of Nisan (April 6) A.D. 32, is 173,880 days. Dividing them according to the Jewish year of 360 days, he arrives at 483 years (69 sevens). On this day Jesus rode into Jerusalem, offering Himself for the first time, publicly and officially, as the Messiah.
After the 69 weeks, or 483 years, there is a time break. Between the sixty-ninth and Seventieth Week two events of utmost importance are to take place:
1. Messiah will be cut off. This was the crucifixion of Christ, the great mystery and truth of the gospel: "From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day" (Matt. 16:21). "That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life" (John 3:15).
2. Destruction of Jerusalem, which took place in A.D. 70, when Titus the Roman was the instrument.
The final "week" (the seventieth), a period of seven years, is projected into the future and does not follow chronologically the other sixty-nine. The time gap between the sixty-ninth and seventieth weeks is the age of grace -- unknown to the prophets (Eph. 3:1-12; 1Pet. 1:10-12). The Seventieth Week is eschatological; it is the final period and is yet unfulfilled.
"The prince" is a Roman; he is the "little horn" of Daniel 7; he is "the beast" of Revelation 13. After the church is removed from the earth, he will make a covenant with Israel. Israel will accept him as her Messiah, but in the midst of the "week" he will break his covenant by placing an image in the temple (Rev. 13). This is the abomination of desolation. What Israel thought to be the Millennium will turn out to be the Great Tribulation (Matt. 24:15-26). Only the coming of Christ can end this frightful period (Matt. 24:27-31).
My friend, you and I are living in the age of grace, and the Seventieth Week of Daniel, the Great Tribulation, as the Lord Jesus called it, is yet to take place.

Thru The Bible with J. Vernon McGee.
9:27a. This verse unveils what will occur in the 70th seven years. This seven-year period will begin after the Rapture of the church (which will consummate God's program in this present Age). The 70th "seven" will continue till the return of Jesus Christ to the earth. Because Jesus said this will be a time of "great distress" (Matt. 24:21), this period is often called the Tribulation.A significant event that will mark the beginning of this seven-year period is the confirming of a covenant. This covenant will be made with many, that is, with Daniel's people, the nation Israel. "The ruler who will come" (Dan. 9:26) will be this covenant-maker, for that person is the antecedent of the word he in verse 27. As a yet-future ruler he will be the final head of the fourth empire (the little horn of the fourth beast, 7:8).
The covenant he will make will evidently be a peace covenant, in which he will guarantee Israel's safety in the land. This suggests that Israel will be in her land but will be unable to defend herself for she will have lost any support she may have had previously. Therefore she will need and welcome the peacemaking role of this head of the confederation of 10 European (Roman) nations. In offering this covenant, this ruler will pose as a prince of peace, and Israel will accept his authority. But then in the middle of that "seven," after three and one-half years, he will break the covenant. According to 11:45, he will then move from Europe into the land of Israel.

The Bible Knowledge Commentary: An Exposition of the Scriptures by Dallas Seminary Faculty.


[9:27 We now come to the seventieth week. As mentioned previously, there is a time gap between the sixty-ninth and seventieth weeks. This parenthetical period is the Church Age, which extends from Pentecost to the Rapture. It is never mentioned specifically in the OT; it was a secret hidden in God from the foundation of the world but revealed by the apostles and prophets of the NT period. However, the principle of a gap is nicely illustrated by our Lord in the synagogue at Nazareth (Luke 4:18, 19). Jesus quoted Isaiah 61:1, 2a but cut it short at "the acceptable year of the Lord" (His First Advent), and left off the judgment of His Second Advent: "and the day of vengeance of our God" (Isa. 61:2b). In between was to occur the whole Church Age.Then he (the Roman prince) shall confirm a covenant with many (the unbelieving majority of the nation of Israel) for one week (the seven-year Tribulation Period). It may be a friendship treaty, a non-aggression treaty, or a guarantee of military assistance against any nation attacking Israel.
But in the middle of the week he shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. The Roman prince will turn hostile toward Israel, forbidding further sacrifices and offerings to Jehovah.
And on the wing of abominations. We learn from Matthew 24:15 that he will set up an abominable idolatrous image in the temple and presumably he will command that it be worshiped. Some think that wing here refers to a wing of the temple.
Shall be one who makes desolate. He will persecute and destroy those who refuse to worship the image.
Even until the consummation, which is determined, is poured out on the desolate. Terrible persecution of the Jews will continue for the last half of the seventieth week, a period known as the Great Tribulation. Then the Roman prince, "the one who makes desolate," will himself be destroyed, as decreed by God, by being cast into the lake of fire (Rev. 19:20).

Believer's Bible Commentary: A Thorough, Yet Easy-to-Read Bible Commentary That Turns Complicated Theology Into Practical Understanding - by Dr. William MacDonald, edited by Dr. Arthur L. Farstad

This verse describes what will happen in the 70[SUP]th[/SUP] seven, the Tribulation period of 7 years. God sets this 70[SUP]th[/SUP] seven off by itself because there is a gap or parenthesis between the 69[SUP]th[/SUP] seven and the 70[SUP]th[/SUP]. That time is the period of the church, the time between the first coming of Christ and the Rapture (Ep 3:1-6).
When God finishes His dealings with the church, He brings the church to Himself in the first phase of Christ’s coming, the Rapture. Then He returns to dealing with Israel as a nation. The purpose of the Tribulation is to get the attention of Israel to accept Jesus in His Second Coming. At the end of the 70[SUP]th[/SUP] seven God will establish Israel again as God’s chosen people on earth.

The antecedent of “he” is the “prince who is to come” in verse 26. It is not Titus because he did not make a contract with Israel. The Antichrist of the Revived Roman Empire will make that covenant with Israel. Therefore, the seventieth week (seven sevens) does not follow upon the 69[SUP]th[/SUP] week immediately. We see this kind of break in time between the Messiah’s first and Second Coming (Is 61:1-2).

The Antichrist will make a peace covenant with Israel for one week (seven years) guaranteeing Israel’s safety in the land. Israel will sign this contract with the head of the Revived Roman Empire, the Antichrist. These seven years will begin immediately after the Rapture. The “many” refers to Israel (v.24). He breaks this covenant “in the middle of the week” (3 ½ years). Daniel calls this “a time, times and half a time” (7:25; 12:7; cf. Re 12:14). John calls this “1,260 days” and “42 months” in Revelation (11:3; 12:6 and 11:2; 13:5).

http://versebyversecommentary.com/daniel/daniel-927/

Verse-by-Verse COMMENTARY by
Dr. Grant C. Richison - Campus Crusade International


I could go on and on with Commentaries on Dan. 9:27 from men such as Dr. Charles Stanley, Dr. Adrian Rogers, Dr. Ed Young Sr., Dr. Zola Levitt, Dr. Ben Haden, Dr. Gil Rugh, Dr. Richard Lee, etc., etc. ALL with a Doctorate Degree in Theology, all stating the 70th Week of Daniel is YET future after the Church-age, all agreeing that the prophesied covenant (peace treaty) between Antichrist and ISRAEL will happen in the future; and ALL agreeing that GOD is not finished with ISRAEL. So how is it that you know more than the best Theologians in the land?
 
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Well, Valiant, that would make you wrong:

Revelation 5:10 (ESV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] and you have made them a kingdom and priests to our God, and they shall reign on the earth.”
well we ARE reigning on the earth (Rom 5.17; Eph 2.5-6) :)

seems I'm right after all
 

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Originally Posted by valiant
but the consequence of Jesus standing on the mount of Olives was that from Jerusalem witnesses (olive trees - Zech 4) went north and south with the Gospel. This was simply an eschatological way of describing the impact of Christ's death and resurrection. It ties in with the fact that all was daylight, there was no longer night.

Zechariah is a highly eschatological book. You should read the whole.
NO, it is LITERAL at HIS SECOND COMING, to take HIS rightful place on the THRONE OF DAVID for a Thousand Years.
Strange that Zechariah forgot to mention it and if you are right why did he totally ignore what would follow the destruction of Jerusalem.

If you analyse Zech 12-14 you discover a prophecy of the history of Israel from 2nd century BC to the present day,

Jesus is already on the throne of David - Acts 2.30, 36
 

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No it is not talking about 70 A.D., it is talking about the FUTURE of ISRAEL, that happens after the Church-age.

No THIRD TEMPLE? LOL, it is already started, all of the TEMPLE Artifacts are already made to EXACT Biblical Specifications. The LEVITE Priests are already TRAINED. The Levite Priest's garments, including the High Priest Garments are already finished. The Blue Prints for the Third Temple is ALREADY FINISHED.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCsEMjpZZoo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6prYdPPPaQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ktf9RBkdqks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxXcL7Px7is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EyPPFJ8Giw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Hng2mVVjJs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVJnAE4x1Ro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbcSJK0VOdg
Well the future will reveal whether it happens. But if it does so it will not be a Temple acceptable to God. All the plans are by rejecters of the Messiah. Jesus is God's new Temple (John 2). And we are part of that Temple having been built on Jesus Christ as the chief corner stone (Eph 2.18-22; 2 Cor 6.16 ff. and often). There can be no other temple except the true temple in Heaven.
 

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Check Out the Theologians that Disagree with you, including Dr. John MacArthur who is President of the Master's Seminary near Los Angeles, California:

Daniel 9:27 (ASV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease; and upon the wing of abominations shall come one that maketh desolate; and even unto the full end, and that determined, shall wrath be poured out upon the desolate.









I could go on and on with Commentaries on Dan. 9:27 from men such as Dr. Charles Stanley, Dr. Adrian Rogers, Dr. Ed Young Sr., Dr. Zola Levitt, Dr. Ben Haden, Dr. Gil Rugh, Dr. Richard Lee, etc., etc. ALL with a Doctorate Degree in Theology, all stating the 70th Week of Daniel is YET future after the Church-age, all agreeing that the prophesied covenant (peace treaty) between Antichrist and ISRAEL will happen in the future; and ALL agreeing that GOD is not finished with ISRAEL. So how is it that you know more than the best Theologians in the land?
But only in America. No respected scholars in the UK or in Europe would accept their teaching .And there are large numbers in the Us who reject it.

If it came to counting commentaries you would lose by a long chalk.

But Darby and Newton hoodwinked the Americans LOL
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There are no good Scriptural reasons for dividing the seventy sevens into 69 and 1.
 
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Strange that Zechariah forgot to mention it and if you are right why did he totally ignore what would follow the destruction of Jerusalem.

If you analyse Zech 12-14 you discover a prophecy of the history of Israel from 2nd century BC to the present day,

Jesus is already on the throne of David - Acts 2.30, 36
Let us consider Zech 12-14.

1) prophecy concerning the taking of Jerusalem by Antiochus Epiphanes (12.1-5).

2) The response of the Maccabees (12.7-9).

3) the coming of John and Jesus to turn the nation back to God in the power of the Holy Spirit (12.10-14)

4) The opening of the fountain of sin and uncleanness (13.1).

5) Christ's dealing with idolatry and false prophecy (13.2-6).

6) The smiting of the Shepherd (13.7).

7) The subsequent division of Israel with a proportion following the Messiah and the remainder being prepared for judgment (13.8-9).

8). The destruction of Jerusalem (14.1-2).

THE NEW AGE.

9). The Messiah stands on the mount of olives (14.3).

10). The consequence of His coming in that olive trees (witnesses - Zech 4) are despatched north and south (14.4).

11). His followers flee from Jerusalem taking the Gospel to the world (14.5),

12). He will bring warmth and permanent light to the world (14.6-7).

13). Living waters will go out to the world (14.8; John 7.37-39).

14). The Messiah takes His throne in Heaven (14.9; Acts 2.30, 36).

15} Jerusalem is exalted to Heaven (14.10-11; Gal 4.20 ff; Heb 12.20-22; Revelation).

16). God's judgment on those who attack His people (14.12-13).

17). The Jews will persecute God's people (14.14).

18). The nations will worship YHWH (14,16-21).