When Has God Gathered After He Scattered Without Any Repentance?

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kaylagrl

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Journeyman said:
No ordinary human or group of humans is the root.
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Romans 11 -

13 I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry 14 in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. 15 For if their rejection brought reconciliation to the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16 If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.

17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you.



Journeyman said:
I'm looking deeper. Everything in the OT speaks of Christ and people who are either in him or not in him. For instance,

Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety. 1Tim.2:15

Is Paul saying women are saved by having babies?

Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. 1Cor.14:34

Is Paul saying that women have nothing to contribute tp the congregation? And where and why does the law command
women to be under obedience to their husbands? And why is Paul subjecting Christians to the law to begin with?

But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. 1Cor.11:3

Take a deep look at the above verse. From a strictly human standpoint, only looking at the surface. Do you see the contradiction?
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I will be honest, I'm not entirely sure where you're headed with that. But I'm not too swift sometimes. But Romans speaks of the Jew and the Gentile. We are grafted into the root. We are the branches. There are promises still to be fulfilled to the Jewish people.
 
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kaylagrl said:
Romans 11 -

13 I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry 14 in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. 15 For if their rejection brought reconciliation to the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16 If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.

17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you.
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He isn't saying Jews are the root. He's saying all branches need the root to survive, so don't boast as though you are anything of yourself,

Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. I am the vine, ye are the branches: Jn.15:4-5

We're holy abiding in Christ.

behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed Rev.5:5

kaylagrl said:
I will be honest, I'm not entirely sure where you're headed with that.
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He's speaking allegorically of the Torah concerning Christ and the church, the church being the body of God on earth from the beginning of this world to the end of it. Otherwise, his instruction would be insensible. The head of woman is man, but the head of man is man? Women are saved by having children? A womans knowledge is inferior to a mans? None of that is true from a strictly human view.

kaylagrl said:
But Romans speaks of the Jew and the Gentile. We are grafted into the root. We are the branches. There are promises still to be fulfilled to the Jewish people.
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All sinners are grafted into, in other words, adopted into Gods family,

Having predestinated us (Jews)unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself.....In whom ye {gentiles) also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth Eph.1:5,13
 
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