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Malachi 2:14-16
14Yet ye say, Wherefore? Because the LORD hath been witness between thee and the wife of thy youth, against whom thou hast dealt treacherously: yet is she thy companion, and the wife of thy covenant.
15And did not he make one? Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek a godly seed. Therefore take heed to your spirit, and let none deal treacherously against the wife of his youth.
16For the LORD, the God of Israel, saith that he hateth putting away: for one covereth violence with his garment, saith the LORD of hosts: therefore take heed to your spirit, that ye deal not treacherously.
Everyone has a wife of their youth, both male and female.
14Yet ye say, Wherefore? Because the LORD hath been witness between thee and the wife of thy youth, against whom thou hast dealt treacherously: yet is she thy companion, and the wife of thy covenant.
15And did not he make one? Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek a godly seed. Therefore take heed to your spirit, and let none deal treacherously against the wife of his youth.
16For the LORD, the God of Israel, saith that he hateth putting away: for one covereth violence with his garment, saith the LORD of hosts: therefore take heed to your spirit, that ye deal not treacherously.
Everyone has a wife of their youth, both male and female.
S
Dear Relative Stars,
"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination." Leviticus 18:22 OSB Orthodox Study Bible, page 145. OSB Copyright 2008, St. Athanasius Academy of Orthodox Theology, Elk Grove, CA. Fr. Jack Norman Sparks, Ph.D., editor, Dean. Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Bibles. God bless you and save you. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington June 2011 AD
"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination." Leviticus 18:22 OSB Orthodox Study Bible, page 145. OSB Copyright 2008, St. Athanasius Academy of Orthodox Theology, Elk Grove, CA. Fr. Jack Norman Sparks, Ph.D., editor, Dean. Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Bibles. God bless you and save you. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington June 2011 AD
S
In Romans 1 as per the KJV (without natural affection) or the NIV (unloving) this is NOT about the love that should be between a man and woman. Other verses in this chapter deal with that. This expression is about the affection that should inherently exist between parent and child. The lack of this is what gives rise to abortion, euthanasia, child abuse, etc.
There are an overwhelming amount of scriptures which speak against the perversion of homosexuality without misusing other verses.
Lust is desire that is in appropriate. It is appropriate to be attracted to the opposite sex, but not the same sex.
There are an overwhelming amount of scriptures which speak against the perversion of homosexuality without misusing other verses.
Lust is desire that is in appropriate. It is appropriate to be attracted to the opposite sex, but not the same sex.
One thing is for sure... God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve!Something i heard once, and that was well said...
Malachi: The wife of your youth, the wife of thy covenant, your companion. Proverbs: Let her be as the loving hind and pleasant roe... And do not seek embracement by strange women!... Yep like any other sin homosexuality, adultery, murder and false witnessing ALL SIN, should be STOPPED! Homo's are not more evil that any other sinner, That is why Jesus came, so that SINNERS CAN REPENT and be saved! For a homo to fight sodomy, and for me to fight lust after strange woman and not my wife, might take the same effort, but we have to fight the lusts of the flesh, and only AFTER we succeeded, God gives us COMPLETE CONTROL OVER THE LUSTS OF THE FLESH, (Romans 8) The thoughts are also renewed to ONLY THINK SPIRITUAL! to live in the spiritand Truth! And that is the only way to serve God, and please God... To worship Him in spirit and truth! And the truth is NO SINNER HAS EVER SERVED GOD! ALL God's children serve Him in TRUTH AND SPIRIT! And in the Truth and in the Spirit is NO SIN! To die off sin is to die off ALL the old man! And God says for those IN CHRIST... are NEW CREATURES and THE OLD IS GONE... BEHOLD ALL IS NEW! It is very important to know this... ALL IN CHRIST, is ALL NEW! That means no more bad in that person. These people are as perfect as their heavenly Father is perfect. Matthew 5:48. Let me assure you, for those IN CHRIST cannot even do the "smallest" of sin, becasue IN HIM IS NO SIN! The worst thing about homo's are that they KNOW the Truth but they ignored it that is why they are homo's given over to uncleanness. (Romans 1:21) I am not clever and i might even come over as a simple man, but thank God i do not listen to men that tries to justify sin. Thank God that I hate sin in my life, and Thank God that He will do something about that, it was Him that made me hate my wrongdoings in the first place, so I trust He will complete the Job He started. Apperently the gays also turned God's truth into a lie and they served the creature... Thenselves and gay partners more than they served God... Romans 1:25... Well that is just plain horrible, now I am even more convinced no to assosiate with gays! May God have mercy on my sin, and May HE be the victory in my life! Amen!
The spirit is stronger than the flesh, if we obey God the spirit will overcome, and the spirit we have will be reborn to HOLY SPIRIT. PERFECT!
Malachi: The wife of your youth, the wife of thy covenant, your companion. Proverbs: Let her be as the loving hind and pleasant roe... And do not seek embracement by strange women!... Yep like any other sin homosexuality, adultery, murder and false witnessing ALL SIN, should be STOPPED! Homo's are not more evil that any other sinner, That is why Jesus came, so that SINNERS CAN REPENT and be saved! For a homo to fight sodomy, and for me to fight lust after strange woman and not my wife, might take the same effort, but we have to fight the lusts of the flesh, and only AFTER we succeeded, God gives us COMPLETE CONTROL OVER THE LUSTS OF THE FLESH, (Romans 8) The thoughts are also renewed to ONLY THINK SPIRITUAL! to live in the spiritand Truth! And that is the only way to serve God, and please God... To worship Him in spirit and truth! And the truth is NO SINNER HAS EVER SERVED GOD! ALL God's children serve Him in TRUTH AND SPIRIT! And in the Truth and in the Spirit is NO SIN! To die off sin is to die off ALL the old man! And God says for those IN CHRIST... are NEW CREATURES and THE OLD IS GONE... BEHOLD ALL IS NEW! It is very important to know this... ALL IN CHRIST, is ALL NEW! That means no more bad in that person. These people are as perfect as their heavenly Father is perfect. Matthew 5:48. Let me assure you, for those IN CHRIST cannot even do the "smallest" of sin, becasue IN HIM IS NO SIN! The worst thing about homo's are that they KNOW the Truth but they ignored it that is why they are homo's given over to uncleanness. (Romans 1:21) I am not clever and i might even come over as a simple man, but thank God i do not listen to men that tries to justify sin. Thank God that I hate sin in my life, and Thank God that He will do something about that, it was Him that made me hate my wrongdoings in the first place, so I trust He will complete the Job He started. Apperently the gays also turned God's truth into a lie and they served the creature... Thenselves and gay partners more than they served God... Romans 1:25... Well that is just plain horrible, now I am even more convinced no to assosiate with gays! May God have mercy on my sin, and May HE be the victory in my life! Amen!
The spirit is stronger than the flesh, if we obey God the spirit will overcome, and the spirit we have will be reborn to HOLY SPIRIT. PERFECT!
Israel:
it is a man's spirt/soul/mind that animates and controls his body.
the flesh body would do nothing without orders/direction from the mind/heart.
i think you're looking for a cop-out clause so you don't have to deny your passions: we do have to. until we die friend. the lust may arise, but one most assuredly can not indulge it with impunity. any more than those other things God has warned against.
thankfully when we repent and ask for help, he forgives and cleanses us, and helps us to struggle with against these things: self-control is the hardest of all to learn.
zone
it is a man's spirt/soul/mind that animates and controls his body.
the flesh body would do nothing without orders/direction from the mind/heart.
i think you're looking for a cop-out clause so you don't have to deny your passions: we do have to. until we die friend. the lust may arise, but one most assuredly can not indulge it with impunity. any more than those other things God has warned against.
thankfully when we repent and ask for help, he forgives and cleanses us, and helps us to struggle with against these things: self-control is the hardest of all to learn.
zone
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Cmedic and Isreal both didn't understand my question or point I was trying to make. The part I have a problem with was the effiminate wording and definition of the word. How is the way you are born being effiminate a sin if you have no control over it? Like I said before, I'm not talking about the men who intentionally act feminine.
The problem with all of the focus on homosexuaity being 'the sin' is that anyone who has been caught up in it may not feel welcome in a lot of churches because they may feel nothing but condemnation and they feel they would not be shown any love.
For example, if someone went to a church and admitted he or she is or has been a practicing homosexual but that he or she has turned away or who wants to turn away from this sin but is still stuggling with temptation, some people may quote something from Levitcus about homosexuality being an abomination or out of Romans 1 as those passages seem to be a sort of knee jerk reaction from some people on this subject.
But quoting those scriptures to someone who knows it is a sin and who wants to turn away from it is not at all helpful as they already know it is a sin. No one would quote from the bible about how drunkards cannot enter the kingdom of heaven to an alchoholic struggling with drinking alchohol who knows it is a sin.
But there seems to be more of an understanding about a drinking problem or someone who has used drugs as there are a lot of ex drinkers and ex drug users in churches these days but remember, even regarding homosexuality, so were some of you.
For example, if someone went to a church and admitted he or she is or has been a practicing homosexual but that he or she has turned away or who wants to turn away from this sin but is still stuggling with temptation, some people may quote something from Levitcus about homosexuality being an abomination or out of Romans 1 as those passages seem to be a sort of knee jerk reaction from some people on this subject.
But quoting those scriptures to someone who knows it is a sin and who wants to turn away from it is not at all helpful as they already know it is a sin. No one would quote from the bible about how drunkards cannot enter the kingdom of heaven to an alchoholic struggling with drinking alchohol who knows it is a sin.
But there seems to be more of an understanding about a drinking problem or someone who has used drugs as there are a lot of ex drinkers and ex drug users in churches these days but remember, even regarding homosexuality, so were some of you.
then that church would not be doing what they are commanded to do.
if someone has come confessing their sin and showing the fruits of repentence and are shunned, the church (leaders?) will most assuredly answer for that. that's a CRIME.
the issue is not repentent/converted homosexuals in church; it's the unrepentent.
same with everything else: i am not likely to be accepted (for my own good, and for the good of the church) if i show up seeking LOVE but whip out my flap and do 5 lines in the lobby after the service, saying it's ok.
we are supposed to hear The Law & The Gospel everytime we meet.
believers who struggle with their sin need the reassurance of the Gospel message, just as much as the unbelieving sinner needs to hear the Law AND the gospel.
that we do not is part of the problem: people (christians especially) lose sight of what this is all about.
i think if we were reminded more often in church of the fact that we ALL still struggle, people would not be shunning repentent sinners.
amen.
Jesus died for all those sins.
if someone has come confessing their sin and showing the fruits of repentence and are shunned, the church (leaders?) will most assuredly answer for that. that's a CRIME.
the issue is not repentent/converted homosexuals in church; it's the unrepentent.
same with everything else: i am not likely to be accepted (for my own good, and for the good of the church) if i show up seeking LOVE but whip out my flap and do 5 lines in the lobby after the service, saying it's ok.
we are supposed to hear The Law & The Gospel everytime we meet.
believers who struggle with their sin need the reassurance of the Gospel message, just as much as the unbelieving sinner needs to hear the Law AND the gospel.
that we do not is part of the problem: people (christians especially) lose sight of what this is all about.
i think if we were reminded more often in church of the fact that we ALL still struggle, people would not be shunning repentent sinners.
amen.
Jesus died for all those sins.
D
"Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable." (Leviticus 18:22)
"If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." (Leviticus 20:13)
"We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality,..." (1 Timothy 1:9-10)
Any questions?
"If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." (Leviticus 20:13)
"We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality,..." (1 Timothy 1:9-10)
Any questions?
G
Soooo RelativeStars, you posted the question, what you have received in replies are some good, and some bad....the good ones are what you asked for, passages from the Bible directly related to your query.
the bad ones are all the replies really trying hard to defend their attempts at justifying what is clearly written in Scripture answering the question about homosexuality. Now YOU decide.......do you listen to all the jabber jabber or do you listen to Scripture....quite simple really.
the bad ones are all the replies really trying hard to defend their attempts at justifying what is clearly written in Scripture answering the question about homosexuality. Now YOU decide.......do you listen to all the jabber jabber or do you listen to Scripture....quite simple really.