Where Is Mother Teresa Now?

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DiscipleDave

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You do know Dave that the Catholic Church adds WORKS to everything God says?
And you know this how? Were you ever Catholic? Do you know someone personally that is a Catholic and they revealed this to you? Are you an export on the Catholic religion? i know many Christian who adds WORKS to everything God says, does that make them Catholic? If you KNOW this, please tell HOW you KNOW that to be True.

According to Catholicism Salvation is received by Faith and Grace AND Works. Catholicism also teaches one becomes Righteous AFTER they by their own Works make themselves Righteous. In other words once the Catholics have made themselves Righteous God then declares they are Righteous.
So you are testifying that those who are Catholic do not live by, or believe their own Bible? I think the Protestant Church has forgotten that Catholics have the exact same Bible that we do, Same words from Jesus, Same teachings from the Apostles. And if Catholics are NOT believing in their own Bible i can see that happening, we are living in the last days are we not? But are the Catholics any different than the Christians who are not Catholic? Do Christians believe their own Bible? NO, not this generation. The Bible teaches to "Awake to Righteousness and sin not" Christians don't believe that is even possible. Do they believe the Bible when it teaches all things are possible, apparently not, they think it is impossible to cease from sin. Do they believe the Bible which teaches That those who can't cease from sin are called Cursed children according to the very Bible they say they believe. If then Catholics come up with their own doctrines that is not supported by Scriptures, then they are indeed wrong. But Christians also are dead wrong when they come up with their own doctrines that is not supported by Scriptures as well.
Is it not written to work out your own Salvation. Many Christians believe they are covered by the Blood of Jesus, many believe they are cleansed by His Blood, and nothing else is required. Yet the altogether fail to understand the Scriptures which plainly teach to be covered by His Blood is CONDITIONAL.

1Jn 1:7 But IF we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

IF = Conditional. And i assure you, anyone who knowingly and willingly commits sin, is NOT walking in the light like Jesus did. ONLY when you walk in the light like He did, is all your sins covered. But as long as this generation chooses to sin, that is they knowingly and willingly choose to do something they know is sinful and against God, yet does it anyways, IS NOT WALKING LIKE JESUS DID.

Do you know all the verses which plainly teach "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments" Now i don't care what men of this generation teach His commandments are. i only care about what the Word of God Plainly teaches His Commandments are.

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. :23 And this is his commandment, That we should
1) believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and 2) love one another, as he gave us commandment. :24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

Now believing on Jesus is the Faith part of keeping His Commandments. The Loving one another is the Works part of His Commandments. Those who Truly Love One Another WILL HAVE WORKS, not because they have too, not because they are trying to earn Salvation, they will HAVE WORKS because they LOVE ONE ANOTHER. How can a person have LOVE (Jesus) inside of them, and not have WORKS. Faith only is dead. Works only is dead. Faith + Works = Salvation. Because anyone who claims to LOVE ONE ANOTHER, and does nothing to help others, feed the hungry, clothe the naked, give to charities, help the needy, Has NO LOVE. Scriptures teach our works proves what is in our hearts. Someone with no works proves that Jesus is not in their hearts, because if Jesus were in their hearts, they would be helping the needy, feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, they would have a heart to help people. NOT sitting at home watching TV, watching sports, playing games, or what ever else people do which doesn't help a soul.

The Catholics has added their own Works in the Scriptures. This is what i believe is what Ken is trying to say.
How you can KNOW that is what Ken is trying to say is by asking Ken "Ken what are you trying to say?"

Are there True Christians in the Catholic Church? I would say maybe. But the odds are against it because if a Catholic rejects what the Catholic Church says they are cast out of the Church. The Catholics believe if you are not a member in good standing in the Catholic Church you then cannot enter into Heaven.
It seems to me this is True. i do not agree with what the Catholic Church teaches. Do i know what they teach, no. But what i do know which some of the Catholic members have testified (not that any one member can speak for the entire Church) what they believe is in error and yes some of what they believe even contradicts Scriptures. But are they any different than the Protestant Church. We disagree so much, the protestant church is so divided, which is evident because of its hundreds of different denominations. In the beginning there was only ONE Protestant Church that separated itself from the Catholic Church. Then that one Protestant Church disagreed on a particular matter and split. Thus denominations were born. Scriptures teach "to be of one mind" "To think the same things" This generation is so divided it is absolutely pathetic. We can't even have a Bible study any more, because everyone has different versions of the Bible all claiming theirs is the Word of God. So even Bible studies seems to be a thing of the past. Isn't it well known statement, two things you don't argue about, religion and politics. So who wants to go to a Bible study if every time you go it end up in arguments. Oh the enemy is very good at what he does. And division is his goal. If we are not ONE, we are not powerful against him. We are no longer one body. Catholics and what they teach, i see no difference between what Christians and what they teach. For which of them believes the very words of the Book they call the Word of God?
A parent of a certain house fails to feed his children which are hungry, yet that same parent points his/her finger at the neighbor saying how evil the parents are for letting their children thirst by not giving them water.
Catholics are THIS, Catholics are THAT. All the while Christians are not better then they. First get your own house in order that you may be able to effectively help your neighbor. Should someone who is addicted to nicotine tell another they are evil because they are addicted to drugs?

No Catholic is going to take the chance of not entering into Heaven if they question what the Catholic Church teaches.
Not all Catholics believe you can't question. If no Catholic ever questioned, then their would be no Catholics who converts to Protestant Church. If no Catholic left the Church, then i would believe your statement above. But in Truth many Catholics have left the Catholic Church, and it is most likely because they did question it.

The Catholics do not have the same Bible we have. Their Bible have added books that are false.
i have read the qu'ran, i have read the Book of Mormon, i have read the Lost Books of the Bible, i have read what the Hindus teach, i have read what Buddhist teaches, and yes i have read the Catholic Bible. And Every Book we have in the New Testament, They have an identical Book in their Bible as well. Difference is they have added 5 other Books to their Bible, but they do have the exact same New Testament that we do. And concerning those five books (not saying they are Godly, Evil, Good or Bad) but concerning those five books you say they are false. How are they false, Do they contradict the Word of God, and if so, please reveal it. Or are you making this statement not really knowing they are false, but just saying they are because that is what you believe. Have you read them to make such a judgement about them?

Also you do know Dave that the Catholics put their Unwritten Traditions above the Scriptures. The list of Authority on the Truth is the Pope first, the teachings of the Catholic Church second, then the Scriptures being at the very bottom and last on the list.
And if that is True, that is most assuredly wrong. But can you make the statement that all Catholics believe that? No you can't. The problem i am seeing is the wording you are using. For example, it would have been better for you to say "Also you do know Dave that most Catholics put their Unwritten Traditions above the Scriptures." This is more likely to be True, than saying it as you did, which indicates anyone who claims to be a Catholic does this. and that is not True. What i have seen in this thread is the condemning of Sister Teresa, based on the mere fact that she was a Catholic. Again, lumping all Catholics together as a whole and not a one of them going to Heaven nonsense. As i said before if Sister Teresa worshiped Mary as her God then she will not enter into Heaven. But did she do that? Where is the proof that she did? Are you judging her as worshiping Mary because that is what most Catholics do? If Sister Teresa did all her Good works because she thought it would get her to Heaven, then that too would not allow her into Heaven. But did she the Good works to get to Heaven or did she Good works because LOVE (Jesus) was in her heart? Did she believe Jesus was the Son of God? Yes or No? Did she ever pray to Jesus? Never? Not even once? Did she repent of her sins because of what Jesus done? She had the exact same Gospels that we do. She read Matthew, she read Mark, she read Luke, she read John. She read all the words Jesus spoke in red. Are you going to tell me she did not believe in her own Bible? If so, How so. Did she ever say these things? Did she say she worshiped Mary? what i see is a whole lot of accusations against a person who LOVED much, Calling that which is good, evil. That is how i see it. Now if she was evil and worshiped Mary as her God, prove it? If a person is going to accuse another of something, the burden of proof is always on the one doing the accusing. So if you and others believe she worshiped Mary as her God, then show where she had did that, or show where she had said that, or even show where someone else testifies that is what she said or done, because if you can't do any of those things, it is just hearsay, and false witnessing of a child of God, which you are too.

How can a Catholic who Worships Mary be our Sister or Brother in Jesus Christ?
How can a Christian who accuses another without any evidence whatsoever make any kind of judgement at all against others? It says to not judge according to appearance, but that is exactly what you have done.

Do you not know Dave we are to have nothing to do with darkness?
Sure do. i only walk in the light, i do no darkness at all. Anyone who knowingly and willingly commits sin, is in darkness even until now. Anyone who continues to live in sin, continues to walk in darkness. God is light. satan is darkness. Those who only obey Jesus walk in the light, those who only obey satan walk in darkness. Those who obey both Jesus and satan, walk in darkness as well, they are lukewarm and Jesus will spew them out of His mouth. Yea we are to have nothing to do with darkness. So let us point at the darkness of Catholics all the while darkness fills our own souls because of repeated sins, which this generation doesn't believe they can cease from.

Can you prove Dave that Mother Teresa never bowed down nor served Mary other then by your flapping lips?
You got is all wrong brother, i am not accusing her of doing anything at all. i have not accused her worshiping Jesus. i have not accused her of worshiping God, i have not accused her of anything at all. But from the start YOU and others have accused her of worshiping Mary as her God, and have not been able to show anything that would lead me to believe that your accusation is correct. So i am forced to believe your accusation is false. If i would have accused her of worshiping Jesus, i would have shown in her book where she said "I love Jesus" or the part where she said "I worship the Son of God, Jesus Christ" or i would have shown an article which was a testimony that such and such heard Sister Teresa say she Severs only Jesus Christ. But i can't make such an accusation that Sister Teresa worshiped Jesus, because i do not know if she did or did not worship Him. i never read that she did, i never heard that she did. Therefore i could never bare false witness against her by saying "Sister Teresa worshiped Jesus". i don't know that she did, i know know that she didn't. my point is and always has been in talking in this thread, is neither do you know she worshiped Mary as her God. And when i genuinely asked for the proof that she did, i really did not know if she did or not, and was willing to see the proof of your accusations against her. But no proof came, no evidence, no support to back up such an accusation, therefore it has to be false testimony against a child of God. Something you should NOT do to anyone, it is against God to accuse your brothers and sisters. It is against God to falsely accuse ANYONE even an atheist. But here in this thread i am seeing a person being falsely accused. i say False, because there has not been one shred of evidence to prove otherwise, even after repeatedly asking for it.

Show us proof Dave that Mother Teresa rejected Mary.
If i accused Sister Teresa of rejecting Mary, then the burden of proof would be on me, to show the reason why i am accusing her of rejecting Mary. But since i made no accusations at all concerning Sister Teresa, i need not prove anything. Now if i did accuse her of this or that, than ask me to prove this or that.

You do know Dave that praying the Hail Mary is Idolatry? You do know Dave that praying the Rosary is Idolatry?
Well lets examine it:

[h=3]Hail Mary[/h] Hail Mary, full of grace. (This is True) The Lord is with thee. (This is True)
Blessed art thou amongst women, (This is True and Scriptures teach that)
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. (This is True, imagine that the Hail Mary, includes the name of Jesus)
Holy Mary,(This is True) Mother of God, (This is True, she was the Mother of Jesus and Jesus is God)
pray for us sinners, (This is questionable)
now and at the hour of our death. (Questionable) Amen.

Idolatry?????? Seriously you say this is idolatry? Where is the worshiping of Mary as a God. The above testifies that Mary is the Mother of God, NOT GOD. So you can't say they think Mary is God by the Hail Mary. What i see here in this prayer is people praying to a dead person which is actually asleep right now, nor can she hear anyone at all, because she is asleep. Sure i believe it is wrong to pray to dead people, i believe it is wrong to pray to Saints and the such. And even in the Hail Mary i believe it is wrong that they are asking for Mary to intercede for them. But idolatry? i don't see that all. Now if you can show me in Scriptures where it teaches if a person prays to a dead person, that is idolatry i would then have to believe the Hail Mary is idolatry. But if it is Truly idolatry because they pray to Mary, then it would also be idolatry for a child to pray to his/her Mother. Or for a man to pray to his grandma or grandpa. If praying to Mary is idolatry, then it is idolatry for anyone who prays to their loved ones as well. You do error in thinking the Hail Mary is idolatry. Just because someone says the Hail Mary does NOT mean they worship Mary. There is absolutely NOTHING in the Hail Mary which indicates worshiping her. Now if the Hail Mary would have said something like Mary is God, or Mary is worthy to be worshiped, then i would have to agree it is idolatry. But as it is now, there is NOTHING in the Hail Mary that indicates to worship Mary, that is only in the minds of men who thinks there is.


(This is True)
Galatians 5:19-21
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,
[SUP]20 [/SUP] idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Those who practice Idolatry can never enter into Heaven Dave and this also applies to the Catholics.[/QUOTE]

Anyone who practices idolatry will NOT enter into the Kingdom of Heaven unless they repent and cease to practice idolatry.

Definition of idolatry

Webster = the worship of a picture or object as a god
Dictionary.com = the religious worship of idols.
Easton's Bible Dictionary = image-worship or divine honour paid to any created object.
The Best definition that i have heard = An idol is anything that replaces the one, true God.

Did Sister Teresa worship a picture? Did she worship an object? Did she bow down and worship a statue? Did she replace God with Mary? Then Yes all these things would be considered idolatry. But saying a prayer to a dead person which is sleeping is NOT idolatry, no matter how many people think it is.

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DiscipleDave

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Since most Catholics see nothing wrong with Praying to Mary, with bowing down to a statue of Mary, we can then conclude most Catholics follow Mary as their god.
Are you being serious right now, am i hearing you right? You know here is a True Story, one time many years ago, i asked a person who said she was a Catholic, and she prayed to Mary. i asked her why don't you pray to Jesus. She told me that she did not feel worthy to talk directly to the creator of the universe, she told me that she prayed to Mary to ask Jesus this or that. Then you say something like you do above, reminds me of the Scriptures where one guy came in and prayed thank you God that I am not like others, and the other person prayed without even looking up, forgive me a sinner. Let us all pray right now "Thank You God that we are not like the Catholics who pray to Mary" All the while someone prays to Mary because they don't feel worthy enough to talk to the God of the Universe.

Therefore its not that big of a leap to conclude from what we have seen and heard, that there is a very good chance that Mother Teresa did worship Mary as her god.
And i agree with this statement. But this statement is not what has been said in this thread, there are those in this thread that adamantly testify that she worshiped Mary as Her God, they make a judgement against her by saying she will not enter into Heaven. Maybe she did, maybe she didn't. my point from the start, is nobody should say she did, unless they KNOW she did in fact do that which they are accusing her of. Now what you say above is TRUE. You admit is is only a conclusion, and say it is a very good chance. These statement are not flat out saying she did do those things.
i will be honest, i know nothing concerning Sister Teresa, i have not read the book, i have not read anything about her for that matter. But for someone to accuse her of not going to Heaven, and accuse her of worshiping Mary as her God, before i believe that person, i want to see the reasons as to why they are making such a claim against her. i would have said nothing if the statement was "i believe Sister Teresa will not enter into Heaven because i believe she worshiped Mary as her God" But what do i see "Sister Teresa is not going to Heaven, she worships Mary as her God, which is idolatry" See the difference. One is voicing what a person believes, which is there opinion which everyone is entitled to. But the latter statement is said as the TRUTH, as a FACT, not an opinion. Therefore because i did not know what the facts were, and do not know if she did worship Mary as her God, i asked those who accused this of her to present WHY they thought this was FACT, why they thought this was TRUE. God NOTHING back, only more accusations against the Catholic Church in general. So then the accusation was made not on FACTS, but on opinions. This is why i addressed those who accused such a thing.

Just because one person, DiscipleDave, said she did not without any evidence to back it up does not mean she did not Worship Mary.
Likewise just because three people in this thread, PaulMack, said she did without any evidence to back it up does not mean she did Worship Mary. That is my point. i am not trying to prove she did NOT worship Mary, i never made such an accusation, because i do not know if she did or did not worship Mary. Here is what i do know for a FACT. the people who have indeed accused her of worshiping Mary has gave ZERO evidence to support the reason why they have made such an accusation against another person.

Do you think this is about Sister Teresa? If you would have accused a bum on the street of not going to Heaven because he worships ______________________, i would be asking you the same thing. Why do you believe that bum is not going to Heaven, and what proof do you have that he worships _____________________? This is not about Sister Teresa, this is about accusing someone of something that is not TRUE, but accusing someone falsely based on assumptions.

So DiscipleDave, just because a person points out the False Doctrines of the Catholic Church must mean that person is a Hater?
i never said that, nor do i think that. Pointing out false doctrines is what i was put on this Earth to do in His service. So why would i think it is wrong to point out the false doctrines of the Catholic Church and they have plenty. But i will also tell you of another TRUTH, the Catholic Church have fewer false doctrines than the Protestant Church has.

Have you EVER read what the CCC of the Catholic Church says?
NO, i haven't. i am assuming you have then, so in light of this thread, did it say or teach to worship Mary as a God?

Before you complain about the splinter in Ken's eye you first must remove the Log from your eye DiscipleDave.
Ok, here we see false accusing again. you have now accused me of having a log in my eye. Tell me then why you say that. How am i to remove the log out of my eye if you fail to tell me what that log is? You accuse me of having a log in my eye but do not tell me what it is. The splinter that you say is in Ken's eye, i have made abundantly clear what that splinter is, to falsely accuse somebody without having the evidence to back it up. And now we see you have that same splinter in your own eye, because you accuse me of having a log in my eye, without telling me what that log is?

Am i doing something contrary to Scriptures? Have i said anything at all that is UNTRUE? Yet you say i have a log in my eye. Tell me what that log is, so i can remove it, if in fact it is a log, something that i am doing contrary to Word of God. Falsely accusing a brother or sister is against the Word of God, and is that splinter, that is in Ken's eyes and it seems yours too. i have told you what the splinter is, you tell me what log i have in my eye. Or are you now falsely accusing yet another person?

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Are you being serious right now, am i hearing you right? You know here is a True Story, one time many years ago, i asked a person who said she was a Catholic, and she prayed to Mary. i asked her why don't you pray to Jesus. She told me that she did not feel worthy to talk directly to the creator of the universe, she told me that she prayed to Mary to ask Jesus this or that. Then you say something like you do above, reminds me of the Scriptures where one guy came in and prayed thank you God that I am not like others, and the other person prayed without even looking up, forgive me a sinner. Let us all pray right now "Thank You God that we are not like the Catholics who pray to Mary" All the while someone prays to Mary because they don't feel worthy enough to talk to the God of the Universe.



And i agree with this statement. But this statement is not what has been said in this thread, there are those in this thread that adamantly testify that she worshiped Mary as Her God, they make a judgement against her by saying she will not enter into Heaven. Maybe she did, maybe she didn't. my point from the start, is nobody should say she did, unless they KNOW she did in fact do that which they are accusing her of. Now what you say above is TRUE. You admit is is only a conclusion, and say it is a very good chance. These statement are not flat out saying she did do those things.
i will be honest, i know nothing concerning Sister Teresa, i have not read the book, i have not read anything about her for that matter. But for someone to accuse her of not going to Heaven, and accuse her of worshiping Mary as her God, before i believe that person, i want to see the reasons as to why they are making such a claim against her. i would have said nothing if the statement was "i believe Sister Teresa will not enter into Heaven because i believe she worshiped Mary as her God" But what do i see "Sister Teresa is not going to Heaven, she worships Mary as her God, which is idolatry" See the difference. One is voicing what a person believes, which is there opinion which everyone is entitled to. But the latter statement is said as the TRUTH, as a FACT, not an opinion. Therefore because i did not know what the facts were, and do not know if she did worship Mary as her God, i asked those who accused this of her to present WHY they thought this was FACT, why they thought this was TRUE. God NOTHING back, only more accusations against the Catholic Church in general. So then the accusation was made not on FACTS, but on opinions. This is why i addressed those who accused such a thing.



Likewise just because three people in this thread, PaulMack, said she did without any evidence to back it up does not mean she did Worship Mary. That is my point. i am not trying to prove she did NOT worship Mary, i never made such an accusation, because i do not know if she did or did not worship Mary. Here is what i do know for a FACT. the people who have indeed accused her of worshiping Mary has gave ZERO evidence to support the reason why they have made such an accusation against another person.

Do you think this is about Sister Teresa? If you would have accused a bum on the street of not going to Heaven because he worships ______________________, i would be asking you the same thing. Why do you believe that bum is not going to Heaven, and what proof do you have that he worships _____________________? This is not about Sister Teresa, this is about accusing someone of something that is not TRUE, but accusing someone falsely based on assumptions.



i never said that, nor do i think that. Pointing out false doctrines is what i was put on this Earth to do in His service. So why would i think it is wrong to point out the false doctrines of the Catholic Church and they have plenty. But i will also tell you of another TRUTH, the Catholic Church have fewer false doctrines than the Protestant Church has.



NO, i haven't. i am assuming you have then, so in light of this thread, did it say or teach to worship Mary as a God?



Ok, here we see false accusing again. you have now accused me of having a log in my eye. Tell me then why you say that. How am i to remove the log out of my eye if you fail to tell me what that log is? You accuse me of having a log in my eye but do not tell me what it is. The splinter that you say is in Ken's eye, i have made abundantly clear what that splinter is, to falsely accuse somebody without having the evidence to back it up. And now we see you have that same splinter in your own eye, because you accuse me of having a log in my eye, without telling me what that log is?

Am i doing something contrary to Scriptures? Have i said anything at all that is UNTRUE? Yet you say i have a log in my eye. Tell me what that log is, so i can remove it, if in fact it is a log, something that i am doing contrary to Word of God. Falsely accusing a brother or sister is against the Word of God, and is that splinter, that is in Ken's eyes and it seems yours too. i have told you what the splinter is, you tell me what log i have in my eye. Or are you now falsely accusing yet another person?

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Quote "Let us all pray right now "Thank You God that we are not like the Catholics who pray to Mary" All the while someone prays to Mary because they don't feel worthy enough to talk to the God of the Universe."

But the problem is they have been taught to believe that way. The pope is Christ on earth, the priest you confess to,you are unworthy to approach God,there must be someone between you. This is false teaching and such a pity that that lady did not understand that the Bible says we can come boldly to the throne,that Jesus makes us worthy.
 

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So i guess presenting the truth about Mother Teresa and how she was not a True Christian is bashing her?
And if i could point out YOUR sins that you knowingly and willingly commit, and tell others that you are not going to go to Heaven because you commit the sin of ______________________. That would not be bashing you, right?

But then we must realize most Catholics do not like what the Holy Spirit says in the Scriptures. Every Catholic i know rejects what God says in the Scriptures to follow what the Catholic Church teaches.
This is sad, but is probably true.

Just look at all the Doctrines about Mary since 1854 and how none of these Doctrines are supported by Scriptures.
Yes i agree, for the most part from what i have seen, they reverence Mary a great deal. Walk into any church and you can see the ratio of images of Mary compared to images of Jesus. It would lead anyone to believe the Catholics worship Mary as their God. Which many probably do. But to accuse someone of doing that, without any evidence to suggest they actually did do that, is wrong, and is not Godly.

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DD it is one thing to choose a path of suffering for oneself and yet another to deny people relief for their suffering. How can anyone with any compassion at all watch others suffer out of your will and not theirs?
Is it not written to obey those who are in authority over you. The Government did not allow her to give the medication, at least that is what another posted testified to.

It has been said that medications were not allowed to be given to these people, but there are herbal remedies that relieve pain which could be given as food.
And you KNOW that these herbs were present there, and she refused to give them? Is that what you are saying? So what i hear you saying is there was something she could have done, like give herbs, but you say she flat out choice not to. You know what i think (my opinion) you don't know nothing, You were not there, YOU did not see what happened, You did not interview the patient, nor did you interview Sister Teresa. You believe what you believe concerning this event based on hearsay, what you have been told. And i could be dead wrong, because that is my opinion.

If they had been giving these 'medicines' I am sure that the world would have known it. Where is the evidence that pain killers were not allowed?
The same place that proves they were allowed.

She is said to have gone to an expensive clinic when she became ill so no consistency there.
Hello. She was a nun belonging to an organization called the Catholic Church. Why wouldn't the Church take care of their own?

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How can Mother Teresa be a True Christian when we know the Catholics see nothing wrong with Praying to Mary? Do the Catholics not know that what you pray to IS your god?
This thinking is flawed. A boy who prays to his dead mother, what? the Mother is a God to that boy? If a Man prays to his deceased wife, What then. She becomes his God? Just because a person prays to someone who has passed away does NOT automatically mean they think that dead person is a GOD.

We True Christians pray ONLY to God!
Do you pray to Jesus, or do you pray to His Father? Jesus teaches us to pray to His Father in His Name. So then is a person evil and wicked if they pray to Jesus and not to the Father, even though Jesus told us to pray to His Father?

We do not, can not, and NEVER ever pray to Mary!
in my opinion i would agree with you, BUT is there any verse in all of Scriptures which teaches us that it is sinful to pray to those who have died? Any verse? Not one Scripture? Then who are we to judge that a person is evil if they pray to someone they loved that is passed away? Did Jesus forbid a person praying to someone that has passed? No. Did the Apostles ever teach that we are not allowed to pray to those who have passed away? The answer is no. Now if you are asking me for my opinion, i would say pray only to the Father in Jesus Name. But to condemn someone who prays to someone who has passed away even though Jesus or any Apostle ever condemned that, is wrong. The Word of God does not condemn that, why are you?

A True Christian is one who WORSHIPS ONLY God!
And are you saying that NO Catholic WORSHIPS ONLY GOD?

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True Christians

We True Christians pray ONLY to God! We do not, can not, and NEVER ever pray to Mary!

A True Christian is one who WORSHIPS ONLY God!


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And spits venom to underscore it all


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i understand what you are saying when you say
A True Christian is one who WORSHIPS ONLY God!
But i would like to present to you a question;

Now according to you A True Christian is one who WORSHIPS ONLY God, which i agree with 100%. So tell me

A Catholic Husband WORSHIPS ONLY God, and prays to the Mother of Jesus, which has passed away
and
A Christian Husband WORSHIPS ONLY God, and prays to his Mother, which has passed away

How are these two not a True Christian, when you said a True Christian is one who WORSHIPS ONLY God, which both of the above Husbands do.

It is an error to think or believe that ALL Catholics worship Mary. That is not true.

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Quote "Let us all pray right now "Thank You God that we are not like the Catholics who pray to Mary" All the while someone prays to Mary because they don't feel worthy enough to talk to the God of the Universe."

But the problem is they have been taught to believe that way. The pope is Christ on earth, the priest you confess to,you are unworthy to approach God,there must be someone between you. This is false teaching and such a pity that that lady did not understand that the Bible says we can come boldly to the throne,that Jesus makes us worthy.
i agree with you, on all you say above. The only reason i revealed that story is because of people who falsely judge others. We see a person lean down in front of a statue and pray. We assume they are worshiping Mary by doing so. i revealed an example that i was told by a catholic, that is not necessarily the case. So God opened my eyes, because i use to be judgmental too. i also falsely judged the ENTIRE Catholic Church as evil and going to Hell. i too thought praying to Mary was awful, a sin against God, and should never be done. i also believed that anyone who prayed to Mary was worshiping her. God revealed to me that is not necessarily always True. The woman i talked to, did NOT pray to Mary because she worshiped Mary, She worshiped Jesus Christ as her Savior and Lord, but only prayed to Mary because she did not feel worthy enough to pray to Jesus. Of coarse we know we can come boldly to the throne and speak to God. i use to make Catholics so upset when i would say things like

If you have a problem with something in the Government, would you rather talk to the President of the United States or his Mother? Would you rather talk to Jesus Christ, the Son of God, or His Mother? But my point is and has been, NOT to falsely judge others. just because you see someone kneeling down in front of a Mary Statue and praying to Mary, Does not necessarily mean they are worshiping Mary as their God as many Christians automatically assume. That is what i am saying. But i also know, for the most part, most Catholics do reverence Mary to a degree that should be held for Jesus Christ only.

Its the falsely judging that i am teaching against, and it is against God to do so. There is a big difference between these two following statements

Sister Teresa is NOT going to Heaven because she worshiped Mary as her God
and
I believe Sister Teresa is NOT going to Heaven because i believe she worshiped Mary as her God.

The first Statement, (unless you have evidence to support such a claim) is a false statement, NOT Godly, and should not have been said without presenting the evidence to support such an accusation.

But the second statement is merely an opinion of the person who said it, it is not said as a FACT, it is not said as a concrete set in stone TRUTH, it is merely an opinion of the person saying the statement.

Big difference.

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Colossians 3:1-6
[SUP]1 [/SUP] If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] When Christ who is our life appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Because of these things the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience,


The definition of idolatry, according to Webster, is “the worship of idols or excessive devotion to, or reverence for some person or thing.” An idol is anything that replaces the one, true God. The most prevalent form of idolatry in Bible times was the worship of images that were thought to embody the various pagan deities.

Therefore the statues and pictures of Mary are Idols and bowing down to these Idols is Idolatry which is forbidden in the Scriptures. Look at Pope John Paul II, we have tons of pictures of him bowing down to statues of Mary. Therefore Pope John Paul II committed Idolatry and cannot enter into Heaven.

Why DiscipleDave are you defending the Catholic Church who see's nothing wrong with Worshiping Mary?
 
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The definition of Idolatry is:

1. the worship of a physical object as a god
2. immoderate attachment or devotion to something

Bowing down to a statue of Mary is Idolatry DiscipleDave. Being devoted to Mary is Idolatry DiscipleDave. Praying the Rosary and the Hail Mary is Idolatry DiscipleDave.

It seems to me you hate the Protestants. Why DiscipleDave?

You teach the lie that the Protestant Church has hundreds of different denominations. But yet ALL of these denominations ONLY worship God and no one else. It seems to me that you have bought into the lies of the Catholic Church that the Protestant Churches are all false Churches.

Why are you defending the Catholics who bow down to statues of Mary DiscipleDave?

Exodus 20:4-5
[SUP]4 [/SUP] "You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;
[SUP]5 [/SUP] you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me,

A statue of Mary IS a carved image DiscipleDave AND we are NOT to bow down to them!

You are a very good poster boy for the Catholic Church DiscipleDave by defending their Idolatry just because you hate the Protestants who REFUSE to bow down to Mary!
 
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So tell me ember, do you ever pray the Rosary?

Because if you do you are praying to Mary as your god.

So its spiting venom when we show the world the lies of the Catholic Church?

Actually ember its the Catholics who are spitting venom when they declare Mary to be our mediator.

Its amazing how you Catholics are so full of hate for the Scriptures from God.

Repent ember, reject Mary, accept Jesus as your ONLY Lord and Savior before its too late and you spend eternity in the Lake of fire with Pope John Paul II.



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Dear Paul Mack:

No I don't pray the rosary. I don't have one and I am not Catholic.

Spitting venom is the hatred and contempt folks who say they are Christians, visit upon others that they believe are not as fit for the kingdom of Gods heaven as they are.

You have assumed I am Catholic and assume I should repent. Golly cheese whiz...I would think you are hurting people every time you whip around with that big ole log sticking out of your eye.

People need to duck so they don't get hit by your RELIGION

(Its amazing how you Catholics are so full of hate for the Scriptures from God.)

Well that just sparkles with lots of Jesus love now doesn't it? I would suggest you trim that log bro....I think its growing...cold love....which is judgement and self righteousness, are the conditions that allow a so called Christian to walk around like a little banty rooster pecking and starting fights. ..not because they are defending scripture...but because they have forgotten Who saved them

Remember that not everyone who brags about their Christianity are going to be with Jesus



"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter." MATTHEW 7:21
 
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Uh Dave.....I think you have mixed up my post with someone else

I am against this bashing business

I am using a phone and cannot get the quote thing to work with the mobile app so I'm putting asterisks to divide the quote I am responding to

You have assigned words to me I didnt say

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i agree with you, on all you say above. The only reason i revealed that story is because of people who falsely judge others. We see a person lean down in front of a statue and pray. We assume they are worshiping Mary by doing so. i revealed an example that i was told by a catholic, that is not necessarily the case. So God opened my eyes, because i use to be judgmental too. i also falsely judged the ENTIRE Catholic Church as evil and going to Hell. i too thought praying to Mary was awful, a sin against God, and should never be done. i also believed that anyone who prayed to Mary was worshiping her. God revealed to me that is not necessarily always True. The woman i talked to, did NOT pray to Mary because she worshiped Mary, She worshiped Jesus Christ as her Savior and Lord, but only prayed to Mary because she did not feel worthy enough to pray to Jesus. Of coarse we know we can come boldly to the throne and speak to God. i use to make Catholics so upset when i would say things like

If you have a problem with something in the Government, would you rather talk to the President of the United States or his Mother? Would you rather talk to Jesus Christ, the Son of God, or His Mother? But my point is and has been, NOT to falsely judge others. just because you see someone kneeling down in front of a Mary Statue and praying to Mary, Does not necessarily mean they are worshiping Mary as their God as many Christians automatically assume. That is what i am saying. But i also know, for the most part, most Catholics do reverence Mary to a degree that should be held for Jesus Christ only.

Its the falsely judging that i am teaching against, and it is against God to do so. There is a big difference between these two following statements

Sister Teresa is NOT going to Heaven because she worshiped Mary as her God
and
I believe Sister Teresa is NOT going to Heaven because i believe she worshiped Mary as her God.

The first Statement, (unless you have evidence to support such a claim) is a false statement, NOT Godly, and should not have been said without presenting the evidence to support such an accusation.

But the second statement is merely an opinion of the person who said it, it is not said as a FACT, it is not said as a concrete set in stone TRUTH, it is merely an opinion of the person saying the statement.

Big difference.

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Quote "If you have a problem with something in the Government, would you rather talk to the President of the United States or his Mother? Would you rather talk to Jesus Christ, the Son of God, or His Mother? "

If I had a problem with something I'd rather talk to the man in charge. I want to the One who can move mountains on my behalf,the One who has the answer. I don't want someone to carry the message to them,I want to speak to them.

Quote "But i also know, for the most part, most Catholics do reverence Mary to a degree that should be held for Jesus Christ only."

Yes,they do and there is the issue. A statue has no power to help anyone,nor can Mary intercede for anyone. So when a person is praying to Mary they are praying to deaf ears. Catholics say they venerate Mary. The definition of venerate is : [TABLE="class: vk_tbl vk_gy"]
[TR]
[TD="class: lr_dct_nyms_ttl"]:[/TD]
[TD]revere, regard highly, reverence, worship, hallow, exalt,vaunt, adore, honor, respect,hold sacred,holy[/TD]
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All those terms belong to Christ alone.So its not falsely accusing anyone to say the Catholics put Mary in a place that should only be reserved for Christ. So I don't think you can say you are falsely accusing Catholics at all.
 
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Rome's poster girl, Agnes Gonxha Bojaxhiu (a.k.a. Mother Teresa) is a
terrible disappointment.
It is a tragedy to read about Teresa inner turmoil, because rather than fulfilling a great mission, she felt exactly the opposite. The hospice movement has been a great thing in the world, people coming to terms with their mortality.

If people can know love even at the end of their lives, there is hope that they might reach out and touch the ultimate hope in Jesus. It is odd that Teresa who aimed to reach out in love to people in desperate need could not offer them spiritual reality from her own heart. She sounds like a lost person tossed around on the edges of religion without a firm foundation in the Holy Spirit or Jesus.

It also strikes me as odd those who would condemn the emptiness of supporting self righteousness would support a woman who seems to demonstrate its lack of reality. Things are obviously not as they seem.
 

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1 Corinthians 5:9-13 (NKJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner--not even to eat with such a person.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside?
[SUP]13 [/SUP] But those who are outside God judges. Therefore "put away from yourselves the evil person."

We are NOT to judge people who have never accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior.

We ARE told to judge those who claim to be a Brother in Christ. We ARE to judge them if they are sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner!

In fact God the Holy Spirit tells us NOT TO EVEN ASSOCIATE with such a Brother. We are to judge those people, the Catholics, who are Idolaters and we are not have anything to do with that person. We are to put away from us every Catholic that is an Idolater! We are to have nothing to do with any Catholic who prays to Mary because that is Idolatry!

You may call it hate DiscipleDave, but then you are very wrong in your Theology. Its not hate to point out and show everybody that Catholics are Idolaters when they pray the Hail Mary. Just because you do not like what God says in the Scriptures DiscipleDave does not give you the right to condemn others for following what God the Holy Spirit says.
 
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Gee you know I am a Christian and have the Holy Spirit indwelling me

Im pretty familiar with scripture too...always want to be learning though

What I am trying to say, Vdp, is that since you don't think Catholics can be Christian , then why are you applying scripture addressed to one who proclaims to be Christian but does not behave as such?

Idolaters? Judgement begins at the house of God

Heres a thought:

You folks are calling judgement down with your constant judgement of others

God is longsuffering....not willing any should perish

Perhaps you might consider becoming an evangelist to Catholics ...if you converted one and they converted one....get the picture?
 
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Catholics can be Christians, but the problem is the Catholics also Worship Mary as their god. How can a person say they follow God and also follow Mary? Do you ember not know we cannot serve two Masters? We True Christians cannot serve God and Mary!

This is why we reject everything about Mary from the Catholic Church.

Matthew 6:24
[SUP]24 [/SUP] "No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other.
 
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Well you know some do and some don't...some Christians are full of self righteous judgement of others and some are not

Why do you ask if I know something when it is obvious you simply wish to make a point the Bible made before you were born?

Better yet...why ignore the actual point I made...?
 

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Spitting venom?

How can it be spitting venom when a Christian brings the Truth from God to a Catholic who is walking in darkness?

I guess Jesus then must have been spitting venom when He pointed out the false teachings of the Pharisees.