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I don't speak neither greek nor hebrew, but I find it interesting to read one or two bible verses in other languages I have some knowledge of, to see if I can find a broader meaning to the text. + I love languages 
NIV
It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
KVJ
Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all thing
Norwegian (1030 translation)
den utholder alt, tror alt, håper alt, tåler alt
(Utholder = stands / preseerveres. Tror = believes, håper= hopes, tåler = stands / handles / endures)
Dutch
(I am no expert, but I sort of get the gist , and use dictionaries for looking stuff up)
De liefde beschermt altijd, heeft altijd vertrouwen, verwacht het altijd van God en houdt stand
(Liefde = love, Beschermt = protects, vertrouwen = confidence, trust , verwacht (het altid van God) expexts (it always from God), houdt stand= holds out / stands (up)
NIV
It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
KVJ
Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all thing
Norwegian (1030 translation)
den utholder alt, tror alt, håper alt, tåler alt
(Utholder = stands / preseerveres. Tror = believes, håper= hopes, tåler = stands / handles / endures)
Dutch
(I am no expert, but I sort of get the gist , and use dictionaries for looking stuff up)
De liefde beschermt altijd, heeft altijd vertrouwen, verwacht het altijd van God en houdt stand
(Liefde = love, Beschermt = protects, vertrouwen = confidence, trust , verwacht (het altid van God) expexts (it always from God), houdt stand= holds out / stands (up)
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God has been protecting His word since the beginning. You were attacking someone's knowledge of Greek and Hebrew not defending the Word of God. I don't limit God so therefore He can preserve His word with the NASB, KJV, NIV, NKJV etc... I don't get hung up on which Bible is God's favorite version because He doesn't have one. The only perfect version we could possibly get is the one that comes from His mouth.
What you're saying is, though all versions have different words and say different things, they all can still be the word of God? God's words are pure.
Can you explain how you can have different words and different meanings but yet, they all can still be the pure word of God? That in itself violates God's word. What would you think God thinks about a version, be it KJV, NIV, NASB, ESV that proclaims to be the word of God but is not? Is God pleased with that?
Can you explain how you can have different words and different meanings but yet, they all can still be the pure word of God? That in itself violates God's word. What would you think God thinks about a version, be it KJV, NIV, NASB, ESV that proclaims to be the word of God but is not? Is God pleased with that?
The reason the words sometimes differ, if you knew anything about translating, is that you can never translate directly from one language to another without have some shades or nuances missed. Some words have 3 or 4 meanings. Or 10 in the original languages! Some words change, depending on the case, or the verb aspect. Some compound words intensify
the meaning, but others are totally different than the separate words in the compound word. Some words were changing in the original language, like eis and en. So sometimes translators are unsure which meaning is to be used. The Classical Greek or Koine Greek?
One specific case is Romans 5:5. In the active tenseκαταισχύνει or kataischunei is translated "does not put us to shame." In the middle tense it is "does not disappoint!" Manuscript evidence is split down the middle as to whether it is active or middle. Sometimes translating the word directly does not capture the meaning!
The word καυχώμεθα or kauchometha in Romans 5:3 has the usual meaning of "boast." KJV says "glory" ESV says "rejoice" and NIV says "glory." Are these translations wrong? No, just looking at the word from different viewpoints. That is why using different versions and comparing them are good, if you don't read Greek or Hebrew.
What God wants to communicate to us in his Word are not wooden phrases, but to tell us who the living Saviour is. He wants us to have a relationship with him, and be led by the Holy Spirit to change our lives so we become more like Jesus as we follow him. The Bible is a sacred word that shows us the way to live, as we follow the way, the truth and the life! Jesus Christ!
I know I went through a short phase of wondering if we could trust the word God if there were so many translational issues. Well, there really aren't very many issues, in fact, and nothing that changes any major doctrine. God uses words to communicate, but God also knows that languages change, and people approach the Bible differently, but the essence of all that is important and matters remains, is not dependent on some archaic translation from 400 years ago, not any modern paraphrase. The Holy Spirit does illuminate the text, and he uses the Bible to teach us. I am so glad for scholars who studied to show themselves approved, and to dig deep into the text of the original languages, to bring us all translations that are in the vernacular, or heart language. So that includes thousands of other languages besides English. And people get saved with those languages, and follow Christ, because of translators who put the Bible in the language they speak, not King James English.
Do you trust God that his word will be preserved, or do you believe that only men 400 years ago heard from God? The more I study the original languages, the more I learn. But, the basics of who God is, how Jesus came to save us, and how to follow Jesus are the same in any language!
the meaning, but others are totally different than the separate words in the compound word. Some words were changing in the original language, like eis and en. So sometimes translators are unsure which meaning is to be used. The Classical Greek or Koine Greek?
One specific case is Romans 5:5. In the active tenseκαταισχύνει or kataischunei is translated "does not put us to shame." In the middle tense it is "does not disappoint!" Manuscript evidence is split down the middle as to whether it is active or middle. Sometimes translating the word directly does not capture the meaning!
The word καυχώμεθα or kauchometha in Romans 5:3 has the usual meaning of "boast." KJV says "glory" ESV says "rejoice" and NIV says "glory." Are these translations wrong? No, just looking at the word from different viewpoints. That is why using different versions and comparing them are good, if you don't read Greek or Hebrew.
What God wants to communicate to us in his Word are not wooden phrases, but to tell us who the living Saviour is. He wants us to have a relationship with him, and be led by the Holy Spirit to change our lives so we become more like Jesus as we follow him. The Bible is a sacred word that shows us the way to live, as we follow the way, the truth and the life! Jesus Christ!
I know I went through a short phase of wondering if we could trust the word God if there were so many translational issues. Well, there really aren't very many issues, in fact, and nothing that changes any major doctrine. God uses words to communicate, but God also knows that languages change, and people approach the Bible differently, but the essence of all that is important and matters remains, is not dependent on some archaic translation from 400 years ago, not any modern paraphrase. The Holy Spirit does illuminate the text, and he uses the Bible to teach us. I am so glad for scholars who studied to show themselves approved, and to dig deep into the text of the original languages, to bring us all translations that are in the vernacular, or heart language. So that includes thousands of other languages besides English. And people get saved with those languages, and follow Christ, because of translators who put the Bible in the language they speak, not King James English.
Do you trust God that his word will be preserved, or do you believe that only men 400 years ago heard from God? The more I study the original languages, the more I learn. But, the basics of who God is, how Jesus came to save us, and how to follow Jesus are the same in any language!
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How are we to share the gospel if we are all to go about speaking shakespearian?
It took me two weeks in Scotland, hearing it every day by native speakers to understand Scottish, even though I've known English most of my life. How are new believers to understand a bible with a language no one speaks today?
If you speak in church, doest thou speak like so? If not, how can you preach God's word if you insist only the KJV IS God's word?
It took me two weeks in Scotland, hearing it every day by native speakers to understand Scottish, even though I've known English most of my life. How are new believers to understand a bible with a language no one speaks today?
If you speak in church, doest thou speak like so? If not, how can you preach God's word if you insist only the KJV IS God's word?
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So John here is a verse where it slightly differs with murder and kill. Which one is right? I'm not a Greek expert so I will allow others who knows more about Greek answer. Does the original word mean to kill or to murder?
Romans 13:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For this, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT COVET," and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."
Romans 13:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Romans 13:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For this, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT COVET," and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."
Romans 13:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
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If biblehub is correct then it actually means murder not kill. So if this is correct the KJV is wrong
Romans 13:9 Interlinear: for, 'Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false testimony, Thou shalt not covet;' and if there is any other command, in this word it is summed up, in this: 'Thou
Romans 13:9 Interlinear: for, 'Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false testimony, Thou shalt not covet;' and if there is any other command, in this word it is summed up, in this: 'Thou
I would agree with your thought, however, I'm not trusting in man's ability to translate from Greek to English. I'm trusting in God's promise to preserve his pure words for us. I believe what I have in the KJV is the pure words of God in the English language. I believe the words are the exact English words to be used. If the Bible were originally written in English, I believe it would contain the exact words found in the KJV.
That's my position. There are many issues with the new versions. Over 10,000 words have been changed. When you change a word you change the meaning. When you change a word, you now can't use that word to compare Scripture with Scripture. To compare Scripture with Scripture, you need the exact words. You cannot compare thought for thought.
That's my position. There are many issues with the new versions. Over 10,000 words have been changed. When you change a word you change the meaning. When you change a word, you now can't use that word to compare Scripture with Scripture. To compare Scripture with Scripture, you need the exact words. You cannot compare thought for thought.
Kill is the correct word. There is a type of killing that is not murder. That is part of loving thy neighbor. No killing. All murder is killing, but not all killing is murder.
Did you notice the NASB totally omitted, "thou shalt not bear false witness"? That's pretty important to me. How does God feel about that? Ironically, that's exactly what the NASB is doing, bearing false witness.
Did you notice the NASB totally omitted, "thou shalt not bear false witness"? That's pretty important to me. How does God feel about that? Ironically, that's exactly what the NASB is doing, bearing false witness.
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