Which laws are and are not valid?

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Not only that, but by teaching that God's spoken word of the Old Covenant is no good any longer, teaches that God is the One that broke the Covenant with Israel instead of
Israel breaking covenant with God.
So we are agreed that the Old Covenant is broken. . .

Why do you not then believe Heb 8:13 that it is obsolete?

This puts all the blame on God
Not only that. . .by teaching that the Old Covenant is not obsolete (Heb 8:13) as revealed
in the words spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers,
puts all the blame on God making both God and the Son to be liars.
 

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It is important to know the Child born "unto us" may be called all the appellations attributed to God by Christians around this old earth. The Words given any prophet are from Jesus, The Father, and the Holy Spirit, for they are One.

Isa 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Isa 9:7



Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever.


 
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It is important to know the Child born "unto us" may be called all the appellations attributed to God by Christians around this old earth. The Words given any prophet are from Jesus, The Father, and the Holy Spirit, for they are One.

Isa 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Isa 9:7



Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever.


I believe the format of the "iron rod" used for ruling during the millennial period will be the law. There can be no rule without law, and God doesn't change.

"Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel." Psalm 2:9

"And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father." Revelation 2:27

"And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne." Revelation 12:5

"And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a "rod of iron:" and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God." Revelation 19:15

Those that reject the law today will reject Christ's "iron rod" of tomorrow.

"For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." Hebrews 4:12

Let's pray to accept the "iron rod" and pray to enjoy and love it as Christ righteous judgment.

"And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth." Matthew 28:18
 
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It is important to know the Child born "unto us" may be called all the appellations attributed to God by Christians around this old earth.
The Words given any prophet are from Jesus, The Father, and the Holy Spirit, for they are One.
Does that include all the words spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers?

 
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I believe the format of the "iron rod" used for ruling during the millennial period will be the law. There can be no rule without law, and God doesn't change.

"Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel." Psalm 2:9

"And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father." Revelation 2:27

"And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne." Revelation 12:5

"And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a "rod of iron:" and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God." Revelation 19:15

Those that reject the law today will reject Christ's "iron rod" of tomorrow.
That assumes your private and uncertain interpretation of unfulfilled prophetic riddles is correct.

Keeping in mind that the track record of God's people in interpreting unfulfilled prophetic riddles is dismal, at best. . .going all the way back to prophecies regarding the Messiah.
 
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I believe the format of the "iron rod" used for ruling during the millennial period will be the law. There can be no rule without law, and God doesn't change.

"Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel." Psalm 2:9

"And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father." Revelation 2:27

"And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne." Revelation 12:5

"And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a "rod of iron:" and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God." Revelation 19:15

Those that reject the law today will reject Christ's "iron rod" of tomorrow.

"For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." Hebrews 4:12

Let's pray to accept the "iron rod" and pray to enjoy and love it as Christ righteous judgment.

"And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth." Matthew 28:18
It's not a matter of a person trying to interpret prophecy in respect to the law being the format of the “iron rod.” Common sense tells a person that the feast of tabernacles will be kept during the millennial reign of Christ. Those that don't keep it will be punished. A convocation (feast of tabernacles) is a rehearsal for the millennial reign of Christ. The church of today should be rehearsing for His coming, and His ruling. i.e. reign.

Zechariah 14:16-19
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the Lord will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Leviticus 23:34 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the feast of tabernacles for seven days unto the Lord.

Numbers 29:12 And on the fifteenth day of the seventh month ye shall have an holy *convocation; ye shall do no servile work, and ye shall keep a feast unto the Lord seven days:

Nehemiah 8:8,14, and 18 “So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading. And they found written in the law which the Lord had commanded by Moses, that the children of Israel should dwell in booths in the feast of the seventh month: Also day by day, from the first day unto the last day, he(Ezra) read in the book of the law of God. And they kept the feast seven days; and on the eighth day was a solemn assembly, according unto the manner.”

*convocation; 4744 miqra' mik-raw' from 7121; something called out, to preach, (make) proclaim(- ation), pronounce, publish, read, renowned, say. i.e. a public meeting (the act, the persons, or the place); also a rehearsal:--assembly, calling, convocation, reading.

מקרא = convocation, in relation to the assembling of God with His people. The testimony of an unchanging Almighty God and His revealed judgments. מִקְרָ֔א
 
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What is understood from the OT after having lifted the veil of Moses, may be found in the New. Those who do not see cannot see through the veil. Jesus is returning soon. I pray all have removed that vei beforetime.

Does that include all the words spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers?

 
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It's not a matter of a person trying to interpret prophecy in respect to the law being the format of the “iron rod.”
Common sense tells a person that the feast of tabernacles will be kept during the millennial reign of Christ.
I'm thinkin' human "common sense" is not an authority for interpreting the divine word of God...
particularly in unfulfilled prophetic riddles.
 
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What is understood from the OT after having lifted the veil of Moses, may be found in the New. Those who do not see cannot see through the veil. Jesus is returning soon. I pray all have removed that vei beforetime.
The veil is over only those of Moses. . .

And the NT reveals that it is removed from only a remnant of them.
 

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You will need to restudy this declaration. All under the law, not all who attempt to please the Father by obeying Him, are blinded to the Gospel because of the same glory that was hidden from the eys of the Children of Israel which shown from Moses having been near God.


The veil is over only those of Moses. . .

And the NT reveals that it is removed from only a remnant of them.
 
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Elin said:
The veil is over only those of Moses. . .

And the NT reveals that it is removed from only a remnant of them.
You will need to restudy this declaration.
All under the law, not all who attempt to please the Father by obeying Him
are blinded to the Gospel because of the same glory that was hidden from the eys of the Children of Israel which shown from Moses having been near God.
Yes, the veil is over only those of Moses. . .but not over all those of Moses.
It is not over the Gentiles, whose unbelief is due to unregeneration only without judicial blinding.
 
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Once more, sin is breaking the law. All men are sinners. All who worship God may be known as Jews since the word forming Judah may be translated as praisers of Yah. Paul hits on this subject in his letters..

Please think on this, study it in the Word, also see how if the law condemns all mankind, and they cannot understand the gospel it is the same as the Children of Israel with Moses, for they cannot do away with the presence of God nor see it. They are sstill under the law, for how can they possible sin if there were no law?
 
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Once more, sin is breaking the law.
Yes, for God's people.

Ro 2 reveals another principle of judgment for those who do not have the law--their consciencce.

All men are sinners. All who worship God may be known as Jews since the word forming Judah may be translated as praisers of Yah. Paul hits on this subject in his letters.
Nope. . .the NT does not present the NT people of God as Jews.

Quite the contrary, under the new covenant there is no Jew nor Gentile (Gal 3:28).

Your continual diverting of the NT gospel is tiresome.

Please think on this, study it in the Word, also see how if the law condemns all mankind, and they cannot understand the gospel it is the same as the Children of Israel with Moses, for they cannot do away with the presence of God nor see it. They are sstill under the law, for how can they possible sin if there were no law?
Those who do not have the law are condemned by their conscience, not the law.

Please study the word of God in Ro 2.
 
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Once more, sin is breaking the law. All men are sinners. All who worship God may be known as Jews since the word forming Judah may be translated as praisers of Yah. Paul hits on this subject in his letters..

Please think on this, study it in the Word, also see how if the law condemns all mankind, and they cannot understand the gospel it is the same as the Children of Israel with Moses, for they cannot do away with the presence of God nor see it. They are sstill under the law, for how can they possible sin if there were no law?
There is no way to escape the law. It is the very foundation of what was absolutely necessary to confirm the reason for Christ. If the law were abolished, then we would have no reason for a Savior from it's punishment by breaking it. It's all foreshadowed in the Old Covenant. If Christ abolished our responsibility that the law defines, why would we want to live according to God's desire, because that would also be gone through Christ?
 

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We should all live to please our Father; He died to save us, ................
 

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The Child born unto us is the Alomighty God, Everlasting Father, and more. Were you to consider all of the Word valid you would know this from Isaiah 9:6 and other references........God is One, amen.

The Father died?
 
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The Child born unto us is the Alomighty God, Everlasting Father, and more. Were you to consider all of the Word valid you would know this from Isaiah 9:6 and other references........God is One, amen.
Yes, God is one. . .in three persons, and the person of the Holy Spirit (he) did not die on the cross.

The words of Moses and the prophets of old are to be understood in the light of
the words spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers.

Please show where the words spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers
states the Father died.
 

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Hi there, I'll keep my question brief.

There are many laws in the Old Testament, how do we differentiate between the laws we follow, and those we do not?

i.e. Wearing Mixed Fibers etc.

Any answers from scripture will be very helpful,

Matthew.
All that mixed fiber stuff was the law of Moses which was done away with when Jesus died on the cross (I think) at some point it was done away with and Jesus gave us new commands. However the Ten Commandments are still relevant and valid today.