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What does this have to do with anything?
In there spiritual kingdom there are not 12 tribes, There is one body united by one Christ.
God says the number of these people will be divided among 12 children of Israel. why would you deny his word. or try to twist his word. and not take him literally. What is your reason.
You can;t use the spiritual israel excuse. again, there are no divisions in spiritual israel. we are one body united by Christ, not 12 bodies.
Well yes the Aryan race reference truly does apply if you can't give me a reason beside ethnicity why Christ would separate His brethren. Now in your quote below you mentioned that they were a separate “elite” group from the great multitude which suggest that a few posts ago you did consider them to be first choice or better than the great multitude.
But if you can't give me any reason besides their ethnicity why Christ would separate them from the other saved then it’s saying Christ shows favoritism or partiality among His brethren based solely on their ethnicity. Here you have a great multitude of gentile brethren in the Kingdom of God who are not allowed to sing the same song as their Hebrew brethren:
“They sang as it were a new song before the throne, before the four living creatures, and the elders; and no one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who were redeemed from the earth.“
I suppose the gentiles in the Kingdom of God will have to come up with their own song to perhaps woo the Hebrews over to their side with some sweet soulful gospel.
But if you can't give me any reason besides their ethnicity why Christ would separate them from the other saved then it’s saying Christ shows favoritism or partiality among His brethren based solely on their ethnicity. Here you have a great multitude of gentile brethren in the Kingdom of God who are not allowed to sing the same song as their Hebrew brethren:
“They sang as it were a new song before the throne, before the four living creatures, and the elders; and no one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who were redeemed from the earth.“
I suppose the gentiles in the Kingdom of God will have to come up with their own song to perhaps woo the Hebrews over to their side with some sweet soulful gospel.
Matthew 26:53Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels?
Matthew 11:11Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
tribe (tr
b)n.1. A unit of sociopolitical organization consisting of a number of families, clans, or other groups who share a common ancestry and culture and among whom leadership is typically neither formalized nor permanent.
2. A political, ethnic, or ancestral division of ancient states and cultures, especially:a. Any of the three divisions of the ancient Romans, namely, the Latin, Sabine, and Etruscan.
b. Any of the 12 divisions of ancient Israel.
c. A phyle of ancient Greece.
3. A group of people sharing an occupation, interest, or habit: a tribe of graduate students.
4. Informal A large family.
5. Biology A taxonomic category placed between a subfamily and a genus or between a suborder and a family and usually containing several genera.
Matthew 11:11Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
tribe (tr
2. A political, ethnic, or ancestral division of ancient states and cultures, especially:a. Any of the three divisions of the ancient Romans, namely, the Latin, Sabine, and Etruscan.
b. Any of the 12 divisions of ancient Israel.
c. A phyle of ancient Greece.
3. A group of people sharing an occupation, interest, or habit: a tribe of graduate students.
4. Informal A large family.
5. Biology A taxonomic category placed between a subfamily and a genus or between a suborder and a family and usually containing several genera.
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The reason they are chosen is not said in the text, but we can assume it is not because of their race only, because it doesn't just describe their race, but their actions as well: 4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they remained virgins. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among mankind and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb.5 No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless. (Rev. 14:4,5)
It is not based 'solely' on their ethnicity, but based on God's Will.
God prophesied that these men would be from the tribes of Israel, not that He chose them because they were from the tribes of Israel.
You continue to mention this statement that "God doesn't show favoritism" and acting like that is the most important doctrine in the Bible. Didn't God show favoritism when He says "Jacob have I loved, and Esau have I hated."
You are misinterpreting favoritism. God selects whoever He wishes. And if He prophecies them to be from a certain lineage, do you think He did not know it from the foundations of the world?
It is not based 'solely' on their ethnicity, but based on God's Will.
God prophesied that these men would be from the tribes of Israel, not that He chose them because they were from the tribes of Israel.
You continue to mention this statement that "God doesn't show favoritism" and acting like that is the most important doctrine in the Bible. Didn't God show favoritism when He says "Jacob have I loved, and Esau have I hated."
You are misinterpreting favoritism. God selects whoever He wishes. And if He prophecies them to be from a certain lineage, do you think He did not know it from the foundations of the world?
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Matthew 26:53Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels?
Matthew 11:11Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
tribe(tr
b)n.1. A unit of sociopolitical organization consisting of a number of families, clans, or other groups who share a common ancestry and culture and among whom leadership is typically neither formalized nor permanent.
2. A political, ethnic, or ancestral division of ancient states and cultures, especially:a. Any of the three divisions of the ancient Romans, namely, the Latin, Sabine, and Etruscan.
b. Any of the 12 divisions of ancient Israel.
c. A phyle of ancient Greece.
3. A group of people sharing an occupation, interest, or habit: a tribe of graduate students.
4. Informal A large family.
5. Biology A taxonomic category placed between a subfamily and a genus or between a suborder and a family and usually containing several genera.
Matthew 11:11Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
tribe(tr
2. A political, ethnic, or ancestral division of ancient states and cultures, especially:a. Any of the three divisions of the ancient Romans, namely, the Latin, Sabine, and Etruscan.
b. Any of the 12 divisions of ancient Israel.
c. A phyle of ancient Greece.
3. A group of people sharing an occupation, interest, or habit: a tribe of graduate students.
4. Informal A large family.
5. Biology A taxonomic category placed between a subfamily and a genus or between a suborder and a family and usually containing several genera.
We have gotten distracted by our human understanding, but tribes doesn't means different races or orgin, remember Noah's sons were once considered brothers...
Acts 6:1[ The Choosing of the Seven ] In those days when the number of disciples was increasing, the Hellenistic Jews among them complained against the Hebraic Jews because their widows were being overlooked in the daily distribution of food.
Genesis 13:7And quarreling arose between Abram’s herders and Lot’s. The Canaanites and Perizzites were also living in the land at that time.
Genesis 19:37The older daughter had a son, and she named him Moab; he is the father of the Moabites of today.
Matthew 11:12From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been subjected to violence, and violent people have been raiding it.
Ephesians 6:12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
Baptist, Jehovah witness, Catholics, and Lutherans can be consider as tribes that fight among each others. And which the tribes in the kingdom are in harmony with one another.
Genesis 13:7And quarreling arose between Abram’s herders and Lot’s. The Canaanites and Perizzites were also living in the land at that time.
Genesis 19:37The older daughter had a son, and she named him Moab; he is the father of the Moabites of today.
Matthew 11:12From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been subjected to violence, and violent people have been raiding it.
Ephesians 6:12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
Baptist, Jehovah witness, Catholics, and Lutherans can be consider as tribes that fight among each others. And which the tribes in the kingdom are in harmony with one another.
This is a good example what a tribe can be.
May 22, 2009 – In a wide-ranging discussion about the state of faith in America, veteran researcher George Barna recently addressed questions raised by his new book, The Seven Faith Tribes: Who They Are, What They Believe, and Why They Matter.
In that book, Barna outlines seven diverse faith segments, profiling their lifestyles, religious beliefs and practices, values and life goals. The seven tribes include Casual Christians, Captive Christians, Mormons, Jews, Pantheists, Muslims and Skeptics.
https://www.barna.org/barna-update/culture/268-casual-christians-and-the-future-of-america
May 22, 2009 – In a wide-ranging discussion about the state of faith in America, veteran researcher George Barna recently addressed questions raised by his new book, The Seven Faith Tribes: Who They Are, What They Believe, and Why They Matter.
In that book, Barna outlines seven diverse faith segments, profiling their lifestyles, religious beliefs and practices, values and life goals. The seven tribes include Casual Christians, Captive Christians, Mormons, Jews, Pantheists, Muslims and Skeptics.
https://www.barna.org/barna-update/culture/268-casual-christians-and-the-future-of-america
So those gentiles defile themselves with women and they don’t follow the Lamb wherever He goes and they are not purchased from among mankind and they are not the first fruits but the second fruits of the crop and they’re also a bunch of liars
Correct… and all those of Christ are of the tribes of Israel… You put Paul’s writings with the 144k in Rev and it all comes together…. And that’s the way God instructs His children to read scriptures.
No you’re misunderstanding favoritism regarding God… God shows favoritism to those that obey Him going back to Cain and Abel not favoritism based on ethnicity, which is why the 144k are from ALL nations because those are His servants who obeyed Him. But you are placing gentile believers below Hebrew believers in every way… you are the one teaching partiality. But this is a prevalent teaching in Christianity… you are not alone… millions support you… I’m a very small minority.
Correct… and all those of Christ are of the tribes of Israel… You put Paul’s writings with the 144k in Rev and it all comes together…. And that’s the way God instructs His children to read scriptures.
No you’re misunderstanding favoritism regarding God… God shows favoritism to those that obey Him going back to Cain and Abel not favoritism based on ethnicity, which is why the 144k are from ALL nations because those are His servants who obeyed Him. But you are placing gentile believers below Hebrew believers in every way… you are the one teaching partiality. But this is a prevalent teaching in Christianity… you are not alone… millions support you… I’m a very small minority.
You’re mocking the Word of God by teaching that gentiles are second-class citizens in the Kingdom of God because they’re liars and fornicators.
You also contradict yourself by first saying the 144k are the elite, then later saying that they’re equal to the great multitude when I pointed out your partiality, and then when I pointed out that contradiction you then went back to saying they’re elite because they’re more pure than the gentiles.
It’s good to get your teachings out in the open…
You also contradict yourself by first saying the 144k are the elite, then later saying that they’re equal to the great multitude when I pointed out your partiality, and then when I pointed out that contradiction you then went back to saying they’re elite because they’re more pure than the gentiles.
It’s good to get your teachings out in the open…
The 144000 is the whole church, at least at that point in time, that many have supposed is the date when Christianity was legalized by Constantine after the ten Roman persecutions, as it predates the prophecies concerning Islam that come later.
As to symbolism, in Revelation Israel is the church, and the 12 tribes represent all the nations of the church, and the 12000 all the members of the church in each nation. Recall that in Roms, Paul said that Gentiles are grafted into the tree that is Israel. There is nothing literal here.
As to symbolism, in Revelation Israel is the church, and the 12 tribes represent all the nations of the church, and the 12000 all the members of the church in each nation. Recall that in Roms, Paul said that Gentiles are grafted into the tree that is Israel. There is nothing literal here.
A group of souls that has different purposes and tasks is what God see as a tribe. Joshua and Caleb had a different soul than the others, their perceptions were different. Everyone has different perceptions on the scriptures since the time of the city of Babel. God had scattered them all, and now bringing them back as one, but under a new ruler. The old ruler was the one that they'd raised on the stick in the wilderness and now it is time to raise the New Ruler.
Numbers 27:18So the Lord said to Moses, “Take Joshua son of Nun, a man in whom is the spirit of leadership, and lay your hand on him.
Numbers 32:12not one except Caleb son of Jephunneh the Kenizzite and Joshua son of Nun, for they followed the Lord wholeheartedly.’
Deuteronomy 34:9Now Joshua son of Nun was filled with the spirit of wisdom because Moses had laid his hands on him. So the Israelites listened to him and did what the Lord had commanded Moses.
1 Samuel 16:7But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The Lord does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.”
Romans 2:28A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical.
Romans 2:29No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.
Matthew 21:16“Do you hear what these children are saying?” they asked him. “Yes,” replied Jesus, “have you never read, “‘From the lips of children and infants you, Lord, have called forth your praise’?”
John 4:23Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.
Jew [E] [H](a man of Judea )
Judaea, or Judea
(from Judah),
Judah [N] [E] [H]
(praised, celebrated ),
Numbers 27:18So the Lord said to Moses, “Take Joshua son of Nun, a man in whom is the spirit of leadership, and lay your hand on him.
Numbers 32:12not one except Caleb son of Jephunneh the Kenizzite and Joshua son of Nun, for they followed the Lord wholeheartedly.’
Deuteronomy 34:9Now Joshua son of Nun was filled with the spirit of wisdom because Moses had laid his hands on him. So the Israelites listened to him and did what the Lord had commanded Moses.
1 Samuel 16:7But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The Lord does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.”
Romans 2:28A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical.
Romans 2:29No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.
Matthew 21:16“Do you hear what these children are saying?” they asked him. “Yes,” replied Jesus, “have you never read, “‘From the lips of children and infants you, Lord, have called forth your praise’?”
John 4:23Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.
Jew [E] [H](a man of Judea )
Judaea, or Judea
(from Judah),
Judah [N] [E] [H]
(praised, celebrated ),