WHO DO YOU NEED TO FORGIVE?

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LISTEN TO THIS PRAYER to be reminded that God is a loving, merciful, forgiving God.

”Bearing with one another and, if one has a complaint against another, forgiving each other; as the Lord has forgiven you, so you also must forgive.” Colossians 3:13 (ESV)

Reflective Question:

Take a moment to consider who in your life you need to forgive. What’s stopping you from forgiving this person?
 
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i need to forgive me ex wife as she has been driving me past the point of insanity lately.
 
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LISTEN TO THIS PRAYER to be reminded that God is a loving, merciful, forgiving God.

”Bearing with one another and, if one has a complaint against another, forgiving each other; as the Lord has forgiven you, so you also must forgive.” Colossians 3:13 (ESV)

Reflective Question:

Take a moment to consider who in your life you need to forgive. What’s stopping you from forgiving this person?
yeah forgiving can be difficult especially if the person whom you wish to forgive has been very cruel to you,but God is he who can truly and sincerely forgive,though indeed he expects us to forgive those who have wronged us,but from my experience forgiving while difficult is far easier by comparison than the person changing for the better,because whether we forgive them face to face or in our hearts,it unfortunately doesn't always lead to change in the person whom hath done wrong by you,I pray often for change in many whom I have forgiven,some have changed for the better some still persist upon their foolish ways,an individual must be open to change for forgiveness and prayer to result any fruit,but at least once you have forgiven them then you can do right by God,as much as we would like souls to come to God many will stay determined to stay in sin,but at the very least forgiveness by you to them,can open their eyes somewhat,the rest you leave to God,until such time as they seek out help from you or others to learn how to change through God you have at least given them an opportunity to start over.
 
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Pondering and meditating on the total forgiveness given to us through Christ will release His life in us to forgive others. When we see "Him" - He provides the nutrients needed to forgive others as His life is manifested in and through us.

This will eventually renew our minds where forgiveness becomes automatic no matter what circumstance comes.

Colossians 3:12-17 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] So, as those who have been chosen of God, holy and beloved, put on a heart of compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience;

[SUP]13 [/SUP] bearing with one another, and forgiving each other, whoever has a complaint against anyone; just as the Lord forgave you, so also should you.

[SUP]14 [/SUP] Beyond all these things put on love, which is the perfect bond of unity.

[SUP]15 [/SUP] Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, to which indeed you were called in one body; and be thankful.

[SUP]16 [/SUP] Let the word of Christ richly dwell within you, with all wisdom teaching and admonishing one another with psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with thankfulness in your hearts to God.

[SUP]17 [/SUP] Whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks through Him to God the Father.
 
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LISTEN TO THIS PRAYER to be reminded that God is a loving, merciful, forgiving God.

”Bearing with one another and, if one has a complaint against another, forgiving each other; as the Lord has forgiven you, so you also must forgive.” Colossians 3:13 (ESV)

Reflective Question:

Take a moment to consider who in your life you need to forgive. What’s stopping you from forgiving this person?
We need to forgive all those who have repented, I believe.
 
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Life is to short for hatred and bitterness.

I forgive all those who have offended me and of the offenses they have committed against me.

Vengeance is mine says the Lord, I will repay, says the Lord.

Each day brings it's own challenges.


He holds my life in His hands, He guides my steps.

Often in my youth I avenged myself but after maturity had come, I submit myself to God and let Him be the Judge.

Pride is self destructive and does not edify.

Ephesians 4:32 Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.


1 Corinthians 13:1-13
If I speak in the languages of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. 2And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned,[SUP]a[/SUP] but have not love, I gain nothing.

4Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant 5or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful;[SUP]b[/SUP] 6it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. 7Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

8Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for languages, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away. 11When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways. 12For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known.

13So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

[video=youtube;LgO9nq5A4x4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgO9nq5A4x4[/video]
 

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We need to forgiven everyone, every time, whether they apologize or not, in order to be forgiven. If we don't forgive others, God won't forgive us. We must forgive no matter how bad their sin is! Jesus was tortured and put on the cross to die, and He said "Father please forgive them." Forgiveness is not optional for the soul who wants to go to heaven.

But that is only cause and effect. God wants us to forgive not because we have to, but because we have love in our hearts like His. And when He looks upon on us, and sees His own likeness, He thinks "That's my child." Just as I look upon my daughter and see my own face, and everyone says "Wow, your daughter sure looks like you." Do we look like our Heavenly Father (spiritually speaking?)

So if you forgive, does that mean that they get away with it? Not in the slightest! It only means that you are not the One to dish out the wrath against them. Have you ever read Revelation? Trust me, God has so much wrath to dish out, that I wouldn't even wish it on my worst enemy. What could you possibly do to them anyways that is worst than torturing them in fire for the rest of eternity to where they cant even die to escape it- ever?

But first, they need to have the chance granted to all- time to repent, before their fate is sealed forever. And if they do get saved before they die, then they are no different than us! Imagine you lived back then, and Paul killed your loved ones when he was Saul, and now you are sitting next to him in church, or rather you're in church listening to him preach. Can you forgive him completely from your heart? God has. And if you don't, you won't be in heaven with God, but Paul will.

Forgiveness is not optional. If you want confidence in your salvation, and there is even one sin you don't forgive, in yourself or others, then you deceive yourself when you think you're going to heaven.
 
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I seem to have more trouble forgiving myself when I mess up than I do with forgiving others when they mess up. Can anyone else relate to that?
 

OneFaith

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I seem to have more trouble forgiving myself when I mess up than I do with forgiving others when they mess up. Can anyone else relate to that?

Definitely! However "forgive all" still applies. We must even forgive ourselves, if we want to go to heaven.
 
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Trying to fit what Peter and Paul said in Acts 10 and 13 - in their word-for-word accounts of preaching the true gospel of the grace of Christ can "conflict" with some of our religious beliefs.

The truth is that they did not say. "you must forgive others before you can receive Christ's forgiveness - obtained by God's riches in grace which He purchased with His own blood for an eternal redemption and the complete forgiveness of sins"

There is no "conditional" forgiveness which is contingent on us forgiving first in the New Covenant which started after the Cross and Jesus fulfilled the law for us.

It's anti-the gospel. It is however 100% the law that we must forgive first in order to receive forgiveness in the law.

We forgive now because we are already forgiven in Christ. This is our new nature in Him in our inner man in Christ being expressed out to others.

Paul says in Eph. 4:22 to put on the new man in Christ - created in righteousness and holiness...then he shows us what this looks like in the next verses including this one below.

Ephesians 4:32 (NASB)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you.
 
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I wonder why Peter and Paul never said anything about having to forgive "in order" to be forgiven when they preached the gospel?

( the truth is that Jesus elevated the law as He often did to show people that they really couldn't keep it and that they needed a Savior )

People who lived under the Old Covenant did not have a means of lasting forgiveness as a part of the covenant under which they lived which is why it was "conditional."

Here are the very scriptures again - remember these are word-for-word accounts of the true gospel of the grace of Christ being preached.

Here's Peter....shouldn't he have said "
You need to forgive anyone first before you can receive God's forgiveness by the blood of Jesus"??

Acts 10:43 (NASB)
[SUP]43 [/SUP] "Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins."


And the same thing for Paul - he didn't say 'You need to forgive first before we you can be forgiven by the blood of Jesus"
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Acts 13:38 (NASB)
[SUP]38 [/SUP] "Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through Him forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you,

Or is it possible Jesus was talking about the law when He gave those words out for His disciples at the time they were still under law then? The New Covenant didn't come into effect until Jesus died and rose again to obtain our eternal forgiveness.

Here Paul says that forgiveness is all based on "according to the riches of His grace "..not if we forgive first.

Ephesians 1:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace
 

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I seem to have more trouble forgiving myself when I mess up than I do with forgiving others when they mess up. Can anyone else relate to that?
Standing right next to you in the queue
 

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Trying to fit what Peter and Paul said in Acts 10 and 13 - in their word-for-word accounts of preaching the true gospel of the grace of Christ can "conflict" with some of our religious beliefs.

The truth is that they did not say. "you must forgive others before you can receive Christ's forgiveness - obtained by God's riches in grace which He purchased with His own blood for an eternal redemption and the complete forgiveness of sins"

There is no "conditional" forgiveness which is contingent on us forgiving first in the New Covenant which started after the Cross and Jesus fulfilled the law for us.

It's anti-the gospel. It is however 100% the law that we must forgive first in order to receive forgiveness in the law.

We forgive now because we are already forgiven in Christ. This is our new nature in Him in our inner man in Christ being expressed out to others.

Paul says in Eph. 4:22 to put on the new man in Christ - created in righteousness and holiness...then he shows us what this looks like in the next verses including this one below.

Ephesians 4:32 (NASB)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you.
"If" is a conditional statement...

Matthew 6:15 "But if you do not forgive others their sins, your heavenly Father will not forgive you of your sins."
 
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I seem to have more trouble forgiving myself when I mess up than I do with forgiving others when they mess up. Can anyone else relate to that?
Thats me too bro!
 
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"If" is a conditional statement...

Matthew 6:15 "But if you do not forgive others their sins, your heavenly Father will not forgive you of your sins."
so does that mean your father disowns you, cuts off your blood and kicks you out f his family, taking back all he has given you?
 
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OneFaith

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so does that mean your father disowns you, cuts off your blood and kicks you out f his family, taking back all he has given you?
Yes! You cannot enter heaven with even one sin on you, and the blood you just mentioned is Christ's blood- the only cure for sin. There is a verse that shows this...

"If you sin willfully, there no longer remains a sacrifice for your sins." No longer means there once genuinely did- which means yes, God can and will cut off his child from the blood in certain circumstances.

"If you are lukewarm I will spit you out of my mouth."
 
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Yes! You cannot enter heaven with even one sin on you, and the blood you just mentioned is Christ's blood- the only cure for sin. There is a verse that shows this...

"If you sin willfully, there no longer remains a sacrifice for your sins." No longer means there once genuinely did- which means yes, God can and will cut off his child from the blood in certain circumstances.
so your earthly father would kick you out of hs family if you did no forgive your brother, and you would lose everything? He would be seen by all as an unfit parent, is that how you want to portray God?

you can't break blood ties, if your saved, you were purchased with the blood of Christ, that can not be broken, any more than you father can make you stop being his daughter,


There is no such things unwillfil sin, WE sin because we want to,
 

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so your earthly father would kick you out of hs family if you did no forgive your brother, and you would lose everything? He would be seen by all as an unfit parent, is that how you want to portray God?

you can't break blood ties, if your saved, you were purchased with the blood of Christ, that can not be broken, any more than you father can make you stop being his daughter,


There is no such things unwillfil sin, WE sin because we want to,
It is not for me to say- by word or by examples. It is for God to say- and this is what He says...

"If you do not forgive, you will not be forgiven."

Who is the 'you' in this verse? The Bible is written to God's people- not to the worldly, but to His children. Therefore it is a warning to His children that they will no longer be His child if they don't obey Him. "I will spit you out of my mouth." Means you will be out of Him, His heaven, His family, if you don't heed His warning.

Jesus says "If you love Me you will obey what I command." Therefore love and obedience are one in the same. The Bible says even if you have all knowledge of scripture, and surrender your body to flames (become a myrter for God), but have not love (obedience), you gain nothing- not heaven, not God, not salvation. He's warning that if you don't obey Him He will disown you. "If you disown Me before men, you will be disowned by My Father in heaven."

All these warnings are to His children- not to the wordly. You have to be 'owned' in order to be 'disowned.'


At the start of His letters, which became scripture, Paul wrote: "Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the Will of God, to the Holy and faithful brothers in Christ..."
 
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"If" is a conditional statement...

Matthew 6:15 "But if you do not forgive others their sins, your heavenly Father will not forgive you of your sins."
I encourage you to look into the New Covenant. You are reading things from the Old Covenant mindset. NO place in the New Covenant "after" Jesus died and rose from the dead do we see that people need to forgive others to be saved.

Jesus "before" the cross and resurrection told someone that they need to keep the commandments in order to inherit the kingdom of God. Is that what we tell people today? No, of course not - well some I suppose do say that if they don't know about the New Covenant.

Jesus told a guy that was healed to go show himself to the priest as the law commands - do we do that today?

What ever religion you are in - they have short changed you in the understanding of the true gospel of the grace of God. I encourage you to find a place where they actually preach the gospel of the grace of God in Christ's finished work on the cross - then you will understand that we are already forgiven and we now forgive others because we are in Christ.
 
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