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You have no pastor, that's why I asked...just as I suspected. You know that God has put teacher-pastors in His Body for it's edification?
Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
The second question was rhetorical...Don't you believe there are both believing Jews and Gentiles in the Body of Messiah comprising the One New man?
ps I would dump Stern's translation, it has been proven faulty.
Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
The second question was rhetorical...Don't you believe there are both believing Jews and Gentiles in the Body of Messiah comprising the One New man?
ps I would dump Stern's translation, it has been proven faulty.
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Ah yes, I do have teachers, just no pastor because pastors are of the Sunday traditional mainstream church variety teaching lies and deceptions twisting to their own gain and tickling the ears of the laity withholding the real reason Yeshua came down from Heaven and becoming a man and dying for us, and resurrecting for us so that we could now marry again and be back in the commonwealth of Israel and as Israel we will serve in His earthly Kingdom.
So once again, who are the Gentiles? Is your definition anyone who is not a Jew (1 of the 12 tribes) or of the House of Judah?
So once again, who are the Gentiles? Is your definition anyone who is not a Jew (1 of the 12 tribes) or of the House of Judah?
One who is not of the natural line of Jacob is a Gentile...that is my running definition.
As far as christians go, you are either a believing Jew or believing Gentile.
It's a joke when Gentiles parade themselves as Jews, and even sadder when persecution erupts against Jews all of a sudden those Gentiles are 'Christian'.
As far as christians go, you are either a believing Jew or believing Gentile.
It's a joke when Gentiles parade themselves as Jews, and even sadder when persecution erupts against Jews all of a sudden those Gentiles are 'Christian'.
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A Jew is of the tribe of Judah. There were twelve other tribes. Quite often the distinction is made...
2Ki 16:1 In the seventeenth year of Pekah the son of Remaliah Ahaz the son of Jotham king of Judah began to reign.
2Ki 16:2 Twenty years old was Ahaz when he began to reign, and reigned sixteen years in Jerusalem, and did not that which was right in the sight of the LORD his God, like David his father.
2Ki 16:3 But he walked in the way of the kings of Israel, yea, and made his son to pass through the fire, according to the abominations of the heathen, whom the LORD cast out from before the children of Israel.
2Ki 16:4 And he sacrificed and burnt incense in the high places, and on the hills, and under every green tree.
2Ki 16:5 Then Rezin king of Syria and Pekah son of Remaliah king of Israel came up to Jerusalem to war: and they besieged Ahaz, but could not overcome him.
2Ki 16:6 At that time Rezin king of Syria recovered Elath to Syria, and drave the Jews from Elath: and the Syrians came to Elath, and dwelt there unto this day.
The circumstance here is that Israel is at war with the Jews. Here is the definitive scripture on this...
Eze 37:15 The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,
Eze 37:16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:
Eze 37:17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.
Eze 37:18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?
Eze 37:19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
The timeframe is the return of Christ and the beginning of the Millennium.
2Ki 16:1 In the seventeenth year of Pekah the son of Remaliah Ahaz the son of Jotham king of Judah began to reign.
2Ki 16:2 Twenty years old was Ahaz when he began to reign, and reigned sixteen years in Jerusalem, and did not that which was right in the sight of the LORD his God, like David his father.
2Ki 16:3 But he walked in the way of the kings of Israel, yea, and made his son to pass through the fire, according to the abominations of the heathen, whom the LORD cast out from before the children of Israel.
2Ki 16:4 And he sacrificed and burnt incense in the high places, and on the hills, and under every green tree.
2Ki 16:5 Then Rezin king of Syria and Pekah son of Remaliah king of Israel came up to Jerusalem to war: and they besieged Ahaz, but could not overcome him.
2Ki 16:6 At that time Rezin king of Syria recovered Elath to Syria, and drave the Jews from Elath: and the Syrians came to Elath, and dwelt there unto this day.
The circumstance here is that Israel is at war with the Jews. Here is the definitive scripture on this...
Eze 37:15 The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,
Eze 37:16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:
Eze 37:17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.
Eze 37:18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?
Eze 37:19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
The timeframe is the return of Christ and the beginning of the Millennium.
Most of these posts are like looking at the trees without the least idea of the forest. A reconstruction of the overall plan is that God picked a group of people out of the main group to show the world who God was and how God operated. The main group (gentiles) had all turned away from Him. Part of that training was giving them rituals to follow like circumcision to explain to them in ways they could understand the main point of His being, the spirit and truth. We are to know all about every step of the way God had for these people and relate it to how God is for us. Throughout this scripture of these people is the guidance God gave for the best way to live here, and how to achieve atonement so we could live with God forever.
When Christ lived and became the atonement, and brought salvation, these people God had used weren't divided out any more but we became one under Christ. Before, anyone could join these people, now even joining them was not required. At that time, it wasn't even required that they perform such as circumcision in the flesh, but they must understand the truth and spirit of these things. We all became God's chosen people, and with that we were to be able to sift out what was only legalism but know and retain truth. So far, many are throwing out truth calling it legalism. The Lord asks us to be so focused on the truth that we could even accept Jewish lifestyles if those people knew truth. Lifestyle or rituals would become that unimportant to them.
Paul was the leader in bringing this understanding to the world. If you don't read Paul with knowing God's purpose in using Paul, you get it all mixed up. Terrible things have been done. Some say God did away with any guidance He gave, some that God didn't care a whit for us when God spoke to the chosen people, lots of twisting the trees so they don't belong in the forest.
When Christ lived and became the atonement, and brought salvation, these people God had used weren't divided out any more but we became one under Christ. Before, anyone could join these people, now even joining them was not required. At that time, it wasn't even required that they perform such as circumcision in the flesh, but they must understand the truth and spirit of these things. We all became God's chosen people, and with that we were to be able to sift out what was only legalism but know and retain truth. So far, many are throwing out truth calling it legalism. The Lord asks us to be so focused on the truth that we could even accept Jewish lifestyles if those people knew truth. Lifestyle or rituals would become that unimportant to them.
Paul was the leader in bringing this understanding to the world. If you don't read Paul with knowing God's purpose in using Paul, you get it all mixed up. Terrible things have been done. Some say God did away with any guidance He gave, some that God didn't care a whit for us when God spoke to the chosen people, lots of twisting the trees so they don't belong in the forest.
Yes, there are others. Joh_10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
Who are those "others"? Same as when the Israelites came out of Egypt....anyone who wanted to join Israel and the God of Israel.
Who are those "others"? Same as when the Israelites came out of Egypt....anyone who wanted to join Israel and the God of Israel.
Paul here separates the world into Jew/Gentile...
Romans 2:9-10 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
Romans 3:9-10 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Romans 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
But here he introduces a third entity ...the Church of God...
1 Corinthians 10:32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:
Romans 2:9-10 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
Romans 3:9-10 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Romans 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
But here he introduces a third entity ...the Church of God...
1 Corinthians 10:32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:
Man oh man sis....did you nail this! Mainstream Christianity today accuse Paul of speaking against Moses. It was no different in the 1st century:
Then they suborned men, which said, We have heard him speak blasphemous words against Moses, and against God. Acts 6:11
All lies. They couldn't distinguish between what God says and what men say.
Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth. Titus1:14
And they did the same thing to Jesus:
For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, it isCorban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free... Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition...
Mt.7:10-11,13
Then they suborned men, which said, We have heard him speak blasphemous words against Moses, and against God. Acts 6:11
All lies. They couldn't distinguish between what God says and what men say.
Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth. Titus1:14
And they did the same thing to Jesus:
For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, it isCorban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free... Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition...
Mt.7:10-11,13
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