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Joh_8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
Rom_4:9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
Rom_4:12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
Rom_4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
Rom 9:25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
Rom 9:30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
Rom 9:31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
Rom 9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; (Which was Christ)
Roms 11 all of it
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
Gal 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Heb 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he (Jesus) took on him the seed of Abraham.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Being an Israelite means nothing without Christ and anybody can be an heir of Abraham through Jesus.
Rom_4:9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
Rom_4:12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
Rom_4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
Rom 9:25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
Rom 9:30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
Rom 9:31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
Rom 9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; (Which was Christ)
Roms 11 all of it
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
Gal 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Heb 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he (Jesus) took on him the seed of Abraham.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Being an Israelite means nothing without Christ and anybody can be an heir of Abraham through Jesus.
it was a wild claim made by a few fanatics. It may well owe its source to British Israel. And even they probably did not believe it. its one of these rumours that comes down through the mists of time. It was CERTAINLY never written on the stone or on a notice attached to the stone. You are listening to fables.
The stone is now in Edinburgh. It would be called on if there was another coronation.,
The stone is now in Edinburgh. It would be called on if there was another coronation.,
Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
Heb 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
Heb 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
Joh_14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Joh_14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
Heb 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
Heb 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
Joh_14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Joh_14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
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All the covenants are clearly understood in terms of Israel as a nation. They did not and never will belong to Gentiles living throughout the world even though Israel was founded to benefit all nations.
And what nation is there so great, that hath statutes and judgements so righteous as all the law, which I set before you this day? Deut.4:8
For as many as have sinned without the law shall also perish without the law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these having not the law, are a law unto themselves. Romans 2:12-14
The Gentiles will not be judged on the basis of the Jew's law, and the Jew's will not be excused by the Gentile's lack of the law.
And what nation is there so great, that hath statutes and judgements so righteous as all the law, which I set before you this day? Deut.4:8
For as many as have sinned without the law shall also perish without the law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these having not the law, are a law unto themselves. Romans 2:12-14
The Gentiles will not be judged on the basis of the Jew's law, and the Jew's will not be excused by the Gentile's lack of the law.
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Even thought I'm on "iggy", I'm gonna answer this so others can see how ill-informed about scripture people can be.
So let's see,
And I will gather the remnant of my flcok out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase. Jeremiah 23:3
verse 6a - In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely:
Chapter 32:37 - Behold I will gather them out of all countries, whither I have driven them in mine anger, and in my fury, and in great wrath; and I will bring them again unto this place, and I will cause them to dwell safely.
And it shall come to pass in that day that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, Isaiah 11:11
Since Israel has never dwelt in safety and the Jews have never been restored to the land but once, and that was from Babylon, and Isaiah 11:11 says that they will be regathered a second time must be because {{{{they still exist}}}}, rightyo?
Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that it shall no more be said, The Lord liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt; But the Lord liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers. Jeremiah 16:14,15
So let's see,
And I will gather the remnant of my flcok out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase. Jeremiah 23:3
verse 6a - In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely:
Chapter 32:37 - Behold I will gather them out of all countries, whither I have driven them in mine anger, and in my fury, and in great wrath; and I will bring them again unto this place, and I will cause them to dwell safely.
And it shall come to pass in that day that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, Isaiah 11:11
Since Israel has never dwelt in safety and the Jews have never been restored to the land but once, and that was from Babylon, and Isaiah 11:11 says that they will be regathered a second time must be because {{{{they still exist}}}}, rightyo?
Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that it shall no more be said, The Lord liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt; But the Lord liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers. Jeremiah 16:14,15
Even the Jews don't agree with you on that. They incorporated Gentiles into Israel as proselytes in large numbers, and those Gentiles became acknowledged as part of Israel. 'Israel' in Jesus' time was part Jew and part Gentile.
Thus when the Messiah came all who believed in Him formed the true remnant of Israel. As Isaiah said, 'only a remnant will be saved'. They were the remnant, the 'election of Israel'. THEY WERE ISRAEL. The remainder were cut off (Romans 11.12-24). Then they incorporated Gentile proselytes as Israel had always done. Together they were the true Israel. The promises belonged to them..
Thus when the Messiah came all who believed in Him formed the true remnant of Israel. As Isaiah said, 'only a remnant will be saved'. They were the remnant, the 'election of Israel'. THEY WERE ISRAEL. The remainder were cut off (Romans 11.12-24). Then they incorporated Gentile proselytes as Israel had always done. Together they were the true Israel. The promises belonged to them..
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You're missing the bigger picture. Israel still exists and God will re-gather them a second time, and that has not happened yet, and is still future.
For I will set mine eyes upon them for good, and I will bring them again to this land: and I will build them, and not pull them down; and I will plant them, and not pluck them up. Jer.24:6
When has Israel been able to live in peace and not have to leave the land?
Please give scriptural proof that Israel forcibly converted people.
For I will set mine eyes upon them for good, and I will bring them again to this land: and I will build them, and not pull them down; and I will plant them, and not pluck them up. Jer.24:6
When has Israel been able to live in peace and not have to leave the land?
Please give scriptural proof that Israel forcibly converted people.
Now you are being foolish. It took place in the inter-testamental period. But it is a well attested historical fact. Indeed Herod the Great was descended from one of them.
The first time He gathered them was after the Exodus. The second time was after the Exile. All you describe has been fulfilled. But the Jews did not take advantage of it. And they never will. You just close your eyes to the facts because of your mythical views about Israel which IGNORE clear Scripture.
The first time He gathered them was after the Exodus. The second time was after the Exile. All you describe has been fulfilled. But the Jews did not take advantage of it. And they never will. You just close your eyes to the facts because of your mythical views about Israel which IGNORE clear Scripture.
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Herod the Greats father was of Idumean blood named Anitpater. The Idumeans were of the Edomite stock, descendants of Easu and they were viewed with suspicion and prejudice, the Jews called them "half Jews".
The march from Egypt to Canaan was not a restoration. You cannot have anything restored to you unless it has been in your posession before, and Palestine was never in the possession of the Children of Israel until after its conquest by Joshua.
The march from Egypt to Canaan was not a restoration. You cannot have anything restored to you unless it has been in your posession before, and Palestine was never in the possession of the Children of Israel until after its conquest by Joshua.
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How does that make them anyless Israelites. The Davdic rulers were (adopted sons) of God 2Sam.7:14
Oh by the way there is also - Moreover I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime.
2Sam.7:10
Have you found any scriptural proof that the Israelites forcibly converted people?
Oh by the way there is also - Moreover I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime.
2Sam.7:10
Have you found any scriptural proof that the Israelites forcibly converted people?
Why did they see them as Jews at all? Because under Hyrcanus they had been forcibly converted to Judaism. Strictly therefore they were Jews. But man is always racial and prejudiced. Hence the title half-Jews.
But they lived in it and possessed land there and pastured their flocks their. It was 'their land'. . Thus it WAS a restoration. They saw themselves as restored to their homeland.
But they lived in it and possessed land there and pastured their flocks their. It was 'their land'. . Thus it WAS a restoration. They saw themselves as restored to their homeland.