Who Is Really The Giver of Life?

[Enow]

Example below of the importance of having a right translation.

2 Corinthians 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. KJV

2 Corinthians 3:6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. NIV

Those two are not saying the same thing. The NIV is testifying of the Holy Spirit whereas the KJV is testifying of the principle.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. KJV

John 6:63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life. NIV

What is the one thing that Jesus says about those that do not love Him and His words? They would not keep them. What example would that be? By declining from the testimony of the Son.

Psalm 119:157 Many are my persecutors and mine enemies; yet do I not decline from thy testimonies. 158 I beheld the transgressors, and was grieved; because they kept not thy word.

And how does this errant translation lead other astray? By the Nicene creed of testifying that it is the Spirit that is the "Giver of Life" and to be worshipped with the Father & the Son.

ALL modern Bibles along with the KJV testify of Jesus being the bread of life that gives life to the world.

John 6:33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world. 34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread. 35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. KJV

John 6:33 For the bread of God is the bread that comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.” 34 “Sir,” they said, “always give us this bread.” 35 Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. NIV

Therefore by errant Bible translations, error has crept into the early churches undetected, undiscerned, and thus unreproved.

The fact that they are ignoring the will of God & the role of the Holy Ghost as the reason why the Holy Spirit cannot be worshipped with the Father & the Son is just the branch from this evil tree of dishonouring the Son as NOT being the Giver of Life.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/54623-will-god-role-holy-spirit.html

In closing, scripture will only support that the Spirit is life and when Jesus Christ baptizes new believers with the Spirit, it is then that Jesus is giving us life.

Romans 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

So the way has been broadened in the worship place and when supernatural phenomenons occur when honouring or worshipping the Holy Spirit, little will believers test the spirits because the event occurred when the spotlight was on the Holy Spirit.

 

[spirit1st]

GOD is three parts as HE created mankind , But only ONE being as we are ! The Holy Ghost is GOD POWER ! The Word is Jesus the Father is GOD ! They are all ONLY one being ! In the Flesh JESUS was the Son .HE had a real mind and spoke from it ! in HIS SPirit He was always a part of GOD !
we are three parts as our creator Spirit [inward man] soul [mind]Flesh the body we dwell in for a short time !

We need the HOLY GHOST ,the Spirit of truth to get the correct understanding of all Scriptures ! We need to know When He talking about our spirit or His spirit or the spiritual thing taking place 1 like the spirit of anti-christ !
We Are all a Spirit being dwelling in a flesh body for a short time !
the angels of GOD are All a spirit being the fallen angels are all a spirit being !

1Co_15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
Rom_8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Heb_12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

Rom_1:9 For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son
Phm_1:25 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Amen

Gal_6:18 Brethren, the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Amen

1Co_6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

1Jn_5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

2Th_2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

 

[resurrection33]

God, the Father, is the giver of life.

 

[PatientSpirit]

Example below of the importance of having a right translation.

2 Corinthians 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. KJV

2 Corinthians 3:6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. NIV

Those two are not saying the same thing. The NIV is testifying of the Holy Spirit whereas the KJV is testifying of the principle.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. KJV

John 6:63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life. NIV

What is the one thing that Jesus says about those that do not love Him and His words? They would not keep them. What example would that be? By declining from the testimony of the Son.



Psalm 119:157 Many are my persecutors and mine enemies; yet do I not decline from thy testimonies. 158 I beheld the transgressors, and was grieved; because they kept not thy word.

And how does this errant translation lead other astray? By the Nicene creed of testifying that it is the Spirit that is the "Giver of Life" and to be worshipped with the Father & the Son.

ALL modern Bibles along with the KJV testify of Jesus being the bread of life that gives life to the world.

John 6:33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world. 34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread. 35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. KJV

John 6:33 For the bread of God is the bread that comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.” 34 “Sir,” they said, “always give us this bread.” 35 Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. NIV

Therefore by errant Bible translations, error has crept into the early churches undetected, undiscerned, and thus unreproved.

The fact that they are ignoring the will of God & the role of the Holy Ghost as the reason why the Holy Spirit cannot be worshipped with the Father & the Son is just the branch from this evil tree of dishonouring the Son as NOT being the Giver of Life.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/54623-will-god-role-holy-spirit.html

In closing, scripture will only support that the Spirit is life and when Jesus Christ baptizes new believers with the Spirit, it is then that Jesus is giving us life.

Romans 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

So the way has been broadened in the worship place and when supernatural phenomenons occur when honouring or worshipping the Holy Spirit, little will believers test the spirits because the event occurred when the spotlight was on the Holy Spirit.

Wow you really see a difference? See how a big "s" throws people off? Again the "letter" kills.

 

[Indubitably]

This will be my last reply to one of your threads, Enow.

What is the intenton of the original manuscript? ος και ικανωσεν ημας διακονους καινης διαθηκης ου γραμματος αλλα πνευματος το γαρ γραμμα αποκτεινει το δε πνευμα ζωοποιει.

Here the apostle makes a comparison between the Old Testament and the New, the law of Moses and the gospel of Jesus Christ, and values himself and his fellow-labourers by this, that they were able ministers of the New Testament, that God had made them so. This he does in answer to the accusations of false teachers, who greatly magnify the law of Moses.

He distinguishes between the letter and the spirit even of the New Testament, 2 Corinthians 3:6. As able ministers of the New Testament, they were ministers not merely of the letter, to read the written word, or to preach the letter of the gospel only, but they were ministers of the Spirit also; the Spirit of God did accompany their ministrations. The letter killeth; this the letter of the law does, for that is the ministration of death; and if we rest only in the letter of the gospel we shall be never the better for so doing, for even that will be a savour of death unto death; but the Spirit of the gospel, going along with the ministry of the gospel, which gives life because the Holy Spirit, through the preached Word, woos and draws the unsaved to repentence.

God draws with his word, by the Holy Spirit. John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father who has sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

 

[Enow]

God, the Father, is the giver of life.

John 6:33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world. 34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread. 35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. KJV

God the Father did not come down from Heaven. The Son of God did as it is He that giveth life to the world.

Feel free to provide verses to the contrary on how it is specifically the Father that is the giver of life.

I see no man can come to the Son unless the Father draws him: John 6:44 and that the Father reveals His Son to us: Matthew 11:25-27 but I see Jesus singled out as the bread of life to be giving life to the world.

 

[Enow]

Wow you really see a difference? See how a big "s" throws people off? Again the "letter" kills.

Go to this link below:

http://www.sacrednamebible.com/kjvstrongs/B47C003.htm

Scroll down to the sixth verse and click on the second text from the last text to that verse that is in the Greek.

It should take you to the Greek text pneuma showing these definitions below:

from pnew - pneo

4154; a current of air, i.e. breath (blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figuratively, a spirit, i.e. (human) the rational soul, (by implication) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, demon, or (divine) God, Christ's spirit, the Holy Spirit:--ghost, life, spirit(-ual, -ually), mind.

Does all of these definitions mean it is the Holy Spirit? Of course not.
Then we have to discern the correct translation in according to how the text is used in the verse.

In the case of 2 Corinthians 3:6, it is vital principle or mental disposition as in the spirit of the law as opposing the letter of the law. That verse is not talking about the Holy Spirit.

That is keeping with the rest of the scripture in how Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is the Giver of life. That is why the KJV maintains the truth in God's words keeping to the messages that we are to have as we are led by the Holy Spirit in us to testify of the Son in seeking the glory of the Son therefore the scriptures should reflect that witness.

 

[resurrection33]

John 6:33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world. 34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread. 35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. KJV

God the Father did not come down from Heaven. The Son of God did as it is He that giveth life to the world.

Feel free to provide verses to the contrary on how it is specifically the Father that is the giver of life.

I see no man can come to the Son unless the Father draws him: John 6:44 and that the Father reveals His Son to us: Matthew 11:25-27 but I see Jesus singled out as the bread of life to be giving life to the world.

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Gen 1:1 RSV

I think you will find that Jesus is God in flesh.