Who is the LORD of the Old Testament to you?

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Grace911

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Please describe the LORD of the Old Testament.

Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Isaiah 64:8 But now, O LORD, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.

Exodus 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

Isaiah 45:5-7 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Deuteronomy 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

Psalms 18:2 The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower.
 

Nehemiah6

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Please describe the LORD of the Old Testament.
The tetragrammaton YHWH (translated as LORD) applies to both God the Father and God the Son depending on the context.
 

bluto

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Please describe the LORD of the Old Testament.

Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Isaiah 64:8 But now, O LORD, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.

Exodus 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

Isaiah 45:5-7 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Deuteronomy 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

Psalms 18:2 The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower.
Since you quoted Malachi 3:6 pleased read Malachi 3:1 and you will discover the Lord is the preincarnate Jesus Christ who is identified as the angel of the Lord in the Old Testament. Also at Malachi 3:1 you will notice that the messenger of the covenant Jesus Christ is the angel of the Lord. Please read Genesis 22.

IN GOD THE SON,
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Grace911

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Since you quoted Malachi 3:6 pleased read Malachi 3:1 and you will discover the Lord is the preincarnate Jesus Christ who is identified as the angel of the Lord in the Old Testament. Also at Malachi 3:1 you will notice that the messenger of the covenant Jesus Christ is the angel of the Lord. Please read Genesis 22.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Is it not possible that the "messenger who prepares the way before me and the Lord" is John the Baptist here in Malachi 3:1?
 

Grace911

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The tetragrammaton YHWH (translated as LORD) applies to both God the Father and God the Son depending on the context.
Can you show us an example in the Old Testament of scriptures that make distinction between God the Father and God the Son?
 

Nehemiah6

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Can you show us an example in the Old Testament of scriptures that make distinction between God the Father and God the Son?
GOD THE SON AS YHWH (see Phil 2:10)
Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. (Isa 45:21-23)

GOD THE FATHER AS YHWH
For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called. (Isa 54:5)

"Thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel" is a reference to God the Son.
 

Pilgrimshope

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Please describe the LORD of the Old Testament.

Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Isaiah 64:8 But now, O LORD, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.

Exodus 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

Isaiah 45:5-7 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Deuteronomy 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

Psalms 18:2 The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower.
It’s the testament that’s different not the God

old testament law and prophets

“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬


This is t saying God changed Its the old testament law he gave was for a different intent not to save sinners but to convict sinners as guilty as it says there “what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.”….by the law is the knowledge of sin.”

The Bible has two testaments one came by Moses word and through the prophets the other is the gospel spoken by Jesus

“The law and the prophets were until John: ( Old Testament )

( new testament )since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God us the same the people were faulty so he gave them the law to convict them and make us aware of sin and guilt and then preached the gospel to call
Us to repentance and life

it isnt Moses but Jesus words that save is the idea Moses tells us what sin is and that it brings death Jesus teaches us righteousness in the gospel

“For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

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Gen 1: 26 Let us make man in our image, and after our likeness...
Ps 110: 1 And the Lord said unto my Lord, sit thou on my right hand...
Jos 5: 14 And he said, Nay, but as captain of the host of the Lord am I now come, and Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and worshiped him...
Dan 3: 25 "And he answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the forth looked like the Son of God."
Gen 32: 24-30. Jacob wrestled with the Lord and prevailed to obtain a blessing.
 

bluto

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Is it not possible that the "messenger who prepares the way before me and the Lord" is John the Baptist here in Malachi 3:1?
That's exactly right per Mark 1:1-4. So, who is the messenger of the covenant in whom we will delight according to Malachi 3:1? It's the angel of the Lord who is the preincarnate Jesus Christ. This means that the three distinct persons of the Trinity are identified as the one God.

IN GOD THE SON,
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bluto

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In cloud and fire on Sinai. God is one.
I'm referring to them as persons. The Holy Spirit is found at Genesis 1:2 where the Holy Spirit of God moved over the surface of the waters. The angel of the Lord appears physically as the angel of the Lord to Hagar at Genesis 16:7 to the end of the chapter. Notice what she says at vs13.

Now notice Genesis 17:1-2 "Now when Abram was ninety nine years old, the Lord appeared to Abram (here again a physical appearance) and said to him. "I am God Almighty; Walk before Me and be blameless, vs2, And I will establish my covenant between Me and you, And I will multiply you exceedingly." Vs3, And Abram fell on his face, and God talked with him, saying etc."

Now, is the angel of the Lord who multiplied Hagar's descendants the same "being" that multiplied Abram's descendants at Genesis 17:1-2? Please read Lucy Genesis 16:7-13 and Genesis 17:1-22. Can you identify some "commonality" in the two accounts?

IN THE ANGEL OF THE LORD,
bluto
 

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Please describe the LORD of the Old Testament.

Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Isaiah 64:8 But now, O LORD, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.

Exodus 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

Isaiah 45:5-7 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Deuteronomy 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

Psalms 18:2 The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower.
The Old Testament God is the same as the Triune God of the New Testament, who creates his universe and humans, who rescues his people from their own rebellion, and who gives his people spiritual progress--all by his unlimited divine power through Jesus by the Holy Spirit.
 

Grace911

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It’s the testament that’s different not the God old testament law and prophets‬‬
Exodus 19:7 And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the LORD commanded him. 8 And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD.

Hebrews 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: 9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

Matthew 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

Laws Concerning Divorce
Deuteronomy 24:1-4 When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house. Deu 24:4 Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the LORD: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.

Jeremiah 3:1 They say, If a man put away his wife, and she go from him, and become another man's, shall he return unto her again? shall not that land be greatly polluted? but thou hast played the harlot with many lovers; yet return again to me, saith the LORD.

Released from the Law
Romans 7:1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
Rom 7:2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
Rom 7:3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Faithless Israel Called to Repentance
Jer 3:6 The LORD said also unto me in the days of Josiah the king, Hast thou seen that which backsliding Israel hath done? she is gone up upon every high mountain and under every green tree, and there hath played the harlot.
Jer 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

Jer_50:6 My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their resting place.

Matthew 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Luke15:4 What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?

Luk_15:6 I have found my sheep which was lost.

John 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
Joh 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
Joh 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

Joh 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father

What does it mean to be UNDER THE LAW? We are now FREE TO REMARRY OUR FIRST HUSBAND AND TO KEEP "WE WILL DO" Exodus 19:8 All that the LORD hath spoken WE WILL DO.

John_14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Exo_20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Deu_5:10 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.

Don't you know that those who heard Jesus speak and say "If you love me, keep my commandments", that He was telling all those present, Jews and Gentiles, that He is the LORD God of the Old Testament.

John_14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

Deuteronomy 6:3
Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the LORD God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey.

Matthew 23:2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that
observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

And don't you know that those who heard Jesus speak and say "observe and do", that He was telling all those present, Jews and Gentiles that He is the LORD God of the Old Testament.

Deuteronomy_6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Matthew 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.

This First Commandment sets the tone for the first four commandments, which can be summarized as, “You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength” (Deuteronomy 6:5). Jesus Christ called this summation the great commandment (Matthew 22:37-38).


In my estimation, the above is the Good News. The Gospel. If any beliefs contradicts the written WORDS, by the one who IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD, AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD AND THE WORD WAS GOD. (John 1:1) Joh_1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created all things.

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

This is who the LORD of the Old Testament is to me. He is the God who loved us so much, that He knew from the beginning He was punish and correct us, but He also desires us. When I read His love story, I want to please Him and do those things that show how much I care for Him.

Not everyone will understand, because they have been blinded by the god of this world who decieves the whole world, even the elect, if possible.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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I'm referring to them as persons. The Holy Spirit is found at Genesis 1:2 where the Holy Spirit of God moved over the surface of the waters. The angel of the Lord appears physically as the angel of the Lord to Hagar at Genesis 16:7 to the end of the chapter. Notice what she says at vs13.

Now notice Genesis 17:1-2 "Now when Abram was ninety nine years old, the Lord appeared to Abram (here again a physical appearance) and said to him. "I am God Almighty; Walk before Me and be blameless, vs2, And I will establish my covenant between Me and you, And I will multiply you exceedingly." Vs3, And Abram fell on his face, and God talked with him, saying etc."

Now, is the angel of the Lord who multiplied Hagar's descendants the same "being" that multiplied Abram's descendants at Genesis 17:1-2? Please read Lucy Genesis 16:7-13 and Genesis 17:1-22. Can you identify some "commonality" in the two accounts?

IN THE ANGEL OF THE LORD,
bluto
I believe The Holy Spirit was present at Sinai as was Jesus. The Angel of The Lord is a Christophany who appeared several times
in the "OT" narrative. The Lord God has revealed himself as three persons throughout scripture.

You tell me what you have in mind.