Who is the True CHRIST?

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Before the incarnation He was the second persona of the triune God, but He was above man. He became man at the incarnation. He was always God, He became man. His divine Spirit was united with a human body which was His own.
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Before the incarnation He was the second persona of the triune God,
John 1:1............................
 
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Grigory, I noticed you are on at least 5 or more forums. Are the answers to your questions that bad? LOL
crossnote,

May I say, it seems the target is not directly hit. If so, who is the True CHRIST that no longer be subject to:
 
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By the way can anyone tell me why my rep power remains at twelve while I am continually getting reps?
The green bars on the top, under "Senior Member" are what increase when you are given reps. The "Rep Power" number is when YOU give out reps to other people.

If you want the Rep Power to increase, you need to start repping people. It seemed to take a lot to get the Rep Power to increase in the beginning. Later on, it seemed to get easier, or maybe I just didn't care?
 

Angela53510

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To the OP: If you want to start discussing heresies, and trying to convince people they are true, you might as well leave now.

Jesus is the only begotten Son of God, the second person in the Trinity. He is fully God and fully man. And he is our Lord and Saviour.
 

fredoheaven

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Here's a verse for the Original poster.

Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
 

Angela53510

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Here's a verse for the Original poster.

Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Fred, this is a wonderful Scripture. In Greek, according to the Granville Sharp rule, "the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ" the word "and" or "kai" in Greek, joins two things of equal value. So God = Our Saviour Jesus Christ." In other words, Jesus is God.
 

valiant

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Yeah I guess 'expressions' could easily mean the same thing as 'persons'.

The issue I have is when Jesus is said to be NOT the Father.. when in fact both the Son and the Father are expressions or persons of the one being God.
But the Father is one persona, the Son is another. They are not the same persona (see John 5).

They are the One God but in differing persona.

It all depends on what you mean by expressions. If you are not careful it becomes modality.



Like a person has a mind body and soul. Different expressions of the person but all our the one being.
This is dangerous. God is not mind, body and soul as different expressions of the same person. God is three persona. Each has a mind, although inter-related. Jesus body was not a required aspect of his Deity
 
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p_rehbein

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Today, these are the "CHRISTS" being preached:

* "JESUS CHRIST" is only a man and not God (the "Arian doctrine")
* "JESUS CHRIST" is the "mighty" God, for the FATHER is the "Almighty God" (the Jehovah doctrine)
* "JESUS CHRIST" is the name of the Father and the Holy Spirit (the Sabellian or Oneness doctrine)
* "JESUS CHRIST" is both God and man, He is the 2nd person of the Divine Trinity (the Athanacian Creed)

Question:

Who is JESUS CHRIST of Peter and Paul, and the original Apostles?


......................... sigh .......................
 

p_rehbein

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1 .) Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me.
2 .) For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
3 .) But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
4 .) For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
 
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Grigory, I noticed you are on at least 5 or more forums. Are the answers to your questions that bad? LOL
crossnote, identifying the True CHRIST understandably and obviously follows the identity of GOD following Apostle John's testimony:

1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

And, the foregoing should match Father GOD' claim in:

Isaiah 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Can the foregoing be fully comprehended by the Natural Man?

1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
 
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Grigory, I noticed you are on at least 5 or more forums. Are the answers to your questions that bad? LOL

crossnote, identifying the True CHRIST understandably and obviously follows the identity of GOD following Apostle John's testimony:

1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

And, the foregoing should match Father GOD' claim in:

Isaiah 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Can the foregoing be fully comprehended by the Natural Man?

1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
 
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John 6:62-63
King James Version(KJV)

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What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?

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It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
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The flesh profits nothing means,the body does not give life.
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2nd Corinthians 5:16
King James Version(KJV)

16.)Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

 
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Grigory, I noticed you are on at least 5 or more forums. Are the answers to your questions that bad? LOL
crossnote, the answers to my questions have relevance; but it is hoped God reveals to us the True CHRIST as He did to Paul and Simon Peter.
 
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John 4:23-24
King James Version(KJV)

23.)But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

24.)God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
 
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grigoryamitai

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Grigory, I noticed you are on at least 5 or more forums. Are the answers to your questions that bad? LOL
crossnote, it appears the Holy Bible to God is very clear. To win souls worthy to be with Him in His Eternal Kingdom. However, it seems we (people) have not clearly comprehended His plea or terms. Why are there many gaps or spaces that have not been filled up, that His message is not so clear to us.

The result is very clear, people who are really serious to be with God have "found" different perceptions of His message. And so people are divided on many things they read in the Holly Bible.

If I may, daily news is full incidents and happenings that are not conducive to peace. "Hot spots" in several places portends a major "WAR" that is different from the 1st and the 2nd.

Come judgment time, will God be pleased with what we get from His Sacred Book?
 

crossnote

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crossnote,

May I say, it seems the target is not directly hit. If so, who is the True CHRIST that no longer be subject to:
crossnote, identifying the True CHRIST understandably and obviously follows the identity of GOD following Apostle John's testimony:

1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

And, the foregoing should match Father GOD' claim in:

Isaiah 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Can the foregoing be fully comprehended by the Natural Man?

1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
crossnote, it appears the Holy Bible to God is very clear. To win souls worthy to be with Him in His Eternal Kingdom. However, it seems we (people) have not clearly comprehended His plea or terms. Why are there many gaps or spaces that have not been filled up, that His message is not so clear to us.

The result is very clear, people who are really serious to be with God have "found" different perceptions of His message. And so people are divided on many things they read in the Holly Bible.

If I may, daily news is full incidents and happenings that are not conducive to peace. "Hot spots" in several places portends a major "WAR" that is different from the 1st and the 2nd.

Come judgment time, will God be pleased with what we get from His Sacred Book?
crossnote, the answers to my questions have relevance; but it is hoped God reveals to us the True CHRIST as He did to Paul and Simon Peter.
Sorry, I stepped out of the room for a second. If you are born again you know who the True Christ is...

He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?" Simon Peter replied, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." And Jesus answered him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven.
(Mat 16:15-17)

but one day we will know even clearer...

For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known.
(1Co 13:12)
 
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Today, these are the "CHRISTS" being preached:

* "JESUS CHRIST" is only a man and not God (the "Arian doctrine")
* "JESUS CHRIST" is the "mighty" God, for the FATHER is the "Almighty God" (the Jehovah doctrine)
* "JESUS CHRIST" is the name of the Father and the Holy Spirit (the Sabellian or Oneness doctrine)
* "JESUS CHRIST" is both God and man, He is the 2nd person of the Divine Trinity (the Athanacian Creed)

Question:

Who is JESUS CHRIST of Peter and Paul, and the original Apostles?
In final analysis I believe Jesus Christ is God in flesh:

Behold, a virgin shall conceive and bear a son,
and his name shall be called Emmanuel"
(which means, God with us). Matt 1:23 RSV

However, he is frequently referred to in the Bible as the Son of God, and I believe no harm can come if you view him in that way. It’s just that I like to know who I am praying to, and I believe I am praying to just one being.
 
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Grigory, I noticed you are on at least 5 or more forums. Are the answers to your questions that bad? LOL
crossnote, of course the answers are not bad. However, I wish we all strive to through the word of God, and by divine revelation, the "identity" of the TRUE CHRIST will be made very clear to us all. As it is, we hear four (4) different identifications:

1. "Jesus Christ" is only a MAN, and not GOD (the Arian doctrine)
2. "Jesus Christ" is only a "mighty" (or junior) GOD, for the FATHER is the Almighty God (the Jehovah doctrine)
3. "Jesus Christ" is the NAME of the Father and the Holy Spirit (Oneness or Sabellian doctrine, considering the warning in Revelation 13:11)
4. "Jesus Christ" is both God and man, He is the 2nd person of the Divine Trinity (the Athanacian Creed)

Question:

Who, really, is the One True God of the Holy Bible?
 
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Who is the True Christ?
Can we not trace this since Old Testament time?

This is what is written:

1 Corinthians 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

How could JESUS CHRIST be in the Old Testament before He was born? Indeed, this is foolishness to the Natural Man:

1 Cor 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.