Who Is The true Saints of the ONE TRUE GOD

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cookie39

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Please, This is not to stir up strife. If you know the Word of God and what it say about this; please address this issue as humble as you know how giving all praises to the Lord Jesus Christ; our Holy Father, God the Almighty.

I was watching CNN the other day and they said that pope John Paul II, was one step away from sainthood. Saying he performed a miracle AFTER DEATH, when he died a week later he healed a woman {nun} of parkensin disease. They said if he perform one more miracle {being dead} he will become a saint......

I know this is fully Idolatry and no man living or dead can do nothing and have no power to do anything outside of God, neither would God let any man take credit for something He has done....

Do any of you believe that the devil will bless people to bind them?

I know the bible call all believers sainst of God; and we all are called a holy priesthood, never in the bible where it said LIVING man had power to do anything, espeially NOT the DEAD!!!! God was always present with them and performed healings, signs and wonders. It is the power of the Holy Spirit of God working in his children that Spiritual gifts are performed.... I know so many more to show this is the work of the devil; false doctrine, just pure evil....... but I give it over to the family that we be one in agreement with the Word of God.... two or more standing for truth, God's truths not man"s...

God bless all those who seek His truths; with His truths...
 
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Consumed

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A/ those who worship in truth and spirit.

just for the record - pope john paul 2 (nor anyone else)didnt, doesnt and never had has or will heal anyone anything at anytime

with all due respect to JP2 and rcc

it is not by might nor by power but by His Spirit, Spirit of God
 
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Please, This is not to stir up strife. If you know the Word of God and what it say about this; please address this issue as humble as you know how giving all praises to the Lord Jesus Christ; our Holy Father, God the Almighty.

I was watching CNN the other day and they said that pope John Paul II, was one step away from sainthood. Saying he performed a miracle AFTER DEATH, when he died a week later he healed a woman {nun} of parkensin disease. They said if he perform one more miracle {being dead} he will become a saint......

I know this is fully Idolatry and no man living or dead can do nothing and have no power to do anything outside of God, neither would God let any man take credit for something He has done....

Do any of you believe that the devil will bless people to bind them?

I know the bible call all believers sainst of God; and we all are called a holy priesthood, never in the bible where it said LIVING man had power to do anything, espeially NOT the DEAD!!!! God was always present with them and performed healings, signs and wonders. It is the power of the Holy Spirit of God working in his children that Spiritual gifts are performed.... I know so many more to show this is the work of the devil; false doctrine, just pure evil....... but I give it over to the family that we be one in agreement with the Word of God.... two or more standing for truth, God's truths not man"s...

God bless all those who seek His truths; with His truths...
How do you know for sure you're a saint? Don't you think there's a little more to sainthood that separates them from the other sinners of the world? I haven't met a Christian who doesn't sin when I know for a fact that saints can't sin.
 

NoahsDad

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How do you know for sure you're a saint? Don't you think there's a little more to sainthood that separates them from the other sinners of the world? I haven't met a Christian who doesn't sin when I know for a fact that saints can't sin.

O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?
 

dscherck

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A/ those who worship in truth and spirit.

just for the record - pope john paul 2 (nor anyone else)didnt, doesnt and never had has or will heal anyone anything at anytime

with all due respect to JP2 and rcc

it is not by might nor by power but by His Spirit, Spirit of God
Uhm... Why would we take offense at what we actually believe?

None of the saints heal us. All healing comes from Jesus. In fact, EVERYTHING in the Catholic faith is centered on Jesus. This miracle comes about through JP2's intercession. Basically, the person asked JP2 to pray to God for them, and God responded to JP2's prayer. It's all quite scriptural as seen here: Praying to the Saints

Hope this helps to clear up some misconceptions.
 
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Credo_ut_Intelligam

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It's all quite scriptural as seen here: Praying to the Saints
To say that the article you link to demonstrates that praying to saints is “all quite Scriptural” is a major overstatement.

The article basically gives one verse which *might* be taken to support the practice:

Revelation 5:8b “…the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.”

The first thing to note is that this text is highly figurative and it is written in the most figurative book in the Bible. For instance, I highly doubt any Roman Catholic believes our prayers are actually somehow materialized in a golden bowl. The article you link even admits this: “Prayers are not physical things and cannot be physically offered to God.” So the entire imagery is non-literal. It’s not a literal offering, not literal incense, not literal bowls, etc. Second, the text doesn’t say these 24 elders have prayers that were made to them (the elders). Third, the text doesn’t say who the elders are. It doesn’t say they are dead saints and some argue that they are simply angels. (The argument for the elders being angels is based on Rev. 7:13 and 8:3 and the fact that they seem to distinguish between themselves, God, and those God redeems in Rev. 5:9,10.) So it’s not clear that this text would justify prayer to saints (rather than to angels) even if it were talking about prayer to some person other than God (and it’s not even clear that this much is taking place). Finally, it’s not clear that these are the prayers of living saints. If the elders are themselves saints, why not think it is their own prayers?

The article takes note of my second objection, but says that this “strengthens” their case that saints can hear the prayers of those on earth. But as I noted, the text doesn’t say that these are saints in the first place. And no one doubts that angels have some knowledge of what’s happening on earth, as well as knowledge of prayers (cf. Daniel’s prayer for instance). And as I noted and the article concedes, this is a highly figurative book and I don’t see why we would have to say that this passage represents anything more than angels concurring with our prayers, in the same manner in which my prayer partner might concur with me as I’m praying.

This is the only passage the article cites which *might* be taken to say saints in heaven offer prayers to God. But you have to fill in a lot of gaps if you want it to support that position. This is why I said that claiming this article proves it is “all quite Scriptural” is a major overstatement. Basically, you’re pointing to Rev. 5:8 and saying that this verse, once you fill in all the gaps with Roman Catholic presuppositions, proves it is “all quite Scriptural”… hardly.

The rest of the Bible passages cited by the article are in attempt to answer objections to the practice, but don’t provide any support for the practice itself. I think rejoinders could be given to the other points in the article, but I don’t feel like shadow boxing anymore right now. But here are some articles from a Protestant perspective:

http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php?itemid=3475

http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php?itemid=3257
 
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kujo313

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The Bible calls believers "saints".
Not just ANY "believer". Demons believe.
But those who hear the word of God and obey. Those who follow the Commandments of "love the Lord your God with ALL" and loving our neighbors as ourselves. Those who DAILY walk with God and in ALL their ways acknowledge Him and lean not into their own understanding.

Peter and John told the crippled man to get up and walk. They did not want anybody bowing to them but to God, alone. Even the angel in Revelation told John that.

If you pray for a miracle and God grants it, you should be no more elevated than anybody else, even angels.
 

cookie39

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How do you know for sure you're a saint? Don't you think there's a little more to sainthood that separates them from the other sinners of the world? I haven't met a Christian who doesn't sin when I know for a fact that saints can't sin.
I am a saint according to the Word of God, yet I live.; But the life I live in the flesh, is Christ Jesus living in me... I walk in the Spirit and not in the flesh..... The bible does not say that saints never sinned.... do you know everything the popes has done in their entire life time? NO YOU DON"T... and from what I know about the history of the catholic sec. they were evil them and they are still evil now.... there is no conviction... cause they think pergatory is there way to heaven no matter how they live in the earth.....

Christ Jesus is my righteousness; their is many people who are without sinning in their flesh, Yet they are going to hell. I will post the Word of God.... None of these scriptures are talking about DEAD people. They are called the saints of God and they are still ALIVE!!! On the earth. And No where does it say the saints are prayed to.... BUT SAINTS PRAY FOR EACH OTHER... no need to pray for the dead nor to the dead.


John 16......23And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.
24Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.
26At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you: 27For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God. We are to ask God in Jesus name, We don't need noone asking for us... Jesus said he will not even have to ask for us, because GOD LOVES US HIMSELF. So what is the reason we think we need Mary, or the Apostles or anyone to ask or pray to God for us while they are in heaven or hell?
Job 15:15
Behold, he putteth no trust in his saints; yea, the heavens are not clean in his sight.
Psalm 16:3
But to the saints that are in the earth, and to the excellent, in whom is all my delight.
Psalm 30:4
Sing unto the LORD, O ye saints of his, and give thanks at the remembrance of his holiness.
Psalm 31:23
O love the LORD, all ye his saints: for the LORD preserveth the faithful, and plentifully rewardeth the proud doer.
Psalm 34:9
O fear the LORD, ye his saints: for there is no want to them that fear him.
Psalm 85:8
I will hear what God the LORD will speak: for he will speak peace unto his people, and to his saints: but let them not turn again to folly.
1 Corinthians 14:33
For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
1Corinthians 16:1-3

1Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. 2Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come. 3And when I come, whomsoever ye shall approve by your letters, them will I send to bring your liberality unto Jerusalem.
1 Corinthians 16:15
I beseech you, brethren, (ye know the house of Stephanas, that it is the firstfruits of Achaia, and that they have addicted themselves to the ministry of the saints,)
2 Corinthians 1:1
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, unto the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia:
2 Corinthians 9:12
For the administration of this service not only supplieth the want of the saints, but is abundant also by many thanksgivings unto God;
2 Corinthians 13:13
All the saints salute you.
Ephesians 1:1
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:
Ephesians 1:15
Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,
Ephesian 2:18-20---


18For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
19Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;


Ephesians 3:8
Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
Ephesians 5:3
But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
Ephesians 6:17-19..
17And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

18Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints; 19And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,



Philippians 1:1
Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons:

Philippians 4:22
All the saints salute you, chiefly they that are of Caesar's household.
Colossians 1:2
To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Timothy 5:10
Well reported of for good works; if she have brought up children, if she have lodged strangers, if she have washed the saints' feet, if she have relieved the afflicted, if she have diligently followed every good work

Philemon 1:7
For we have great joy and consolation in thy love, because the bowels of the saints are refreshed by thee, brother.
Hebrews 6:10
For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister.
Salute all them that have the rule over you, and all the saints. They of Italy salute you

Revelation 8:3
And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.
Revelation 8:4
And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.
Revelation 13:7
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Revelation 16:6
For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy

Revelation 17:6
And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
Revelation 19:8
And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
Revelation 20:9
And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.


 

cookie39

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According to John 16..... If we ask God anything in the name of anyone other than Jesus, or we are praying to anyone other than God Himself.... He will not hear..... If God does not hear then who is? hmmm, Again; THE DEVIL WILL BLESS TO BIND!!!
 
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The devil doesn't bless he is evil. The devil does indeed have powers. There are healings of the evil one to fool people. He is the great deceiver right. He already does and is coming to do great miracles Cookie. He is going to come as a angel of light and deceive many. He has already done that with Mary. How many stories have you heard from the lost about praying to Mary and they were healed? Hello! The devil has powers. He will keep them in his trap as long as they let him. Why do think we have been used by God for these teachings. God is giving last chances for them to come out of this foolishness. They will have no excuse. They will not be able to stand before God and cry ignorance. They were for warned. I know your a saint. No the pope did nothing. It only shows how much of a mess these people are. They need help of God so bad. It is only by the prayers of the real saints like you , me and some others who are standing in our prayers that Satan can't have these people that the power of God can help them. The popes are nothing but mere men who do all unright in the sight of God from Mary to changing the bible. Having lost people kiss their hands. They are a stench in the nose of God.
 
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savedmen

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Hello Cookie,
Bless to Bind, bliss to blind,all saying the same thing.
Satan likes to lie and trick people all day thats why the full armour of god is important,,Amen.
Savedmen
 
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MaggieMye

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Only the RCC elevates any man or woman to 'sainthood' as if they are more special, more powerful or more anointed than a Born Again, Spirit-filled believer doing the word of God. The joke is on them.

Maggie
 
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kujo313

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Only the RCC elevates any man or woman to 'sainthood' as if they are more special, more powerful or more anointed than a Born Again, Spirit-filled believer doing the word of God. The joke is on them.

Maggie
I agree.

In RCC, mankind submits names and appoints the title.
In the Spiritual, God appoints and annoints. (He blesses, too!)

March on!
 
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ReinItIn

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re: the question does the enemy bless to bind?

I believe enemy blesses the pursuit of idolitry, greed, sexual immorality, hatred, selfish ambition ect. He gives temporary benefit to decieve us and to get us to exalt anything above the Word and will of God for us. He gives us a false sence of security in our works of the flesh so we will judge God to justify ourselfs. his craft is offence, deception and exaltation of himself and men above the Word of God.

Do you really think israel didn't see selfish benefit when they would turn from God to idols? they even said "when we make cakes for the queen of heaven all was well for us, so we will not listen to you and we will continue to serve her. (paraphrased of course)
 
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ReinItIn

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Even Satans deception in the Garden was look at the benefits of not obeying Gods command and his suggestion God lied, going against his will benefits you... God said " the day you eat of the fruit in the center of the garden you will surley die. Satan said "you wont die, you will be like God". As far as i can see God spoke the truth. Satan is the lier. It was wrong for Saul to call the prophet from the grave and he died for doing it (1 samuel 28).. Same Devil, Same lies, Same purpose..

The Law of Moses forbade the Jews from consulting mediums in order to talk to the dead (Deuteronomy 8:10-12). The lie is they are alive and not dead because they are saints. Christ is enough no man stands between us and him, No man stands between him and God. We are his chosen people his royal priesthood. He is not a respecter of persons. He is our intercessor. there is but one head and that is Christ. He is the foundation, the apostals the corner stone and we are all stones that build the temple of God... With Christ seated on the throne. It is bolognia we need men to help us.. We have Christ His Spirit of Holiness and Our Father..
 

cookie39

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What I mean to bless in order to bind. Is if your prayers are being answered when you are praying to an Idol.... that person will see it as a blessing, and why or how can you tell them that they did not receive a miracle.... The bible tells us that Satan will show signs and lying wonders to deceive many... And because they want to believe a lie... God will send them Strong delusions that they will continue in that lie. They devil can afflict with all kinds of sickness; and he can remove them. Therefore if the devil afflicts someone with a sickness or anything... and that person pray to an Idol and get healed... they were blessed with healing, yet to further their belief and faith in that Idol, false doctrine, and false righteousness. Just like people who say it was God who bless them with fame and fortune... and that fame is to entertain the world, they have millions and living with no worries according to what money can buy... { not saying they dont worry about nothing} ARE they blessed? Yes they are... God himself said in Malachi.... That He will Curse their Blessings..... Though the end of what they have or achieve will be God's judgement... yet it is going to be because they received blessings from the devil... We as children of the one true God know it is a blessing with a curse attached to it.... but those who are receiving it only see it as a blessing. Hope you all understand this...... I too was one who the devil blessed to bind.... and this the Lord God told me himself... did not hear it from any man... Just the Lord God our Holy Father.....
 
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ReinItIn

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The word of God tells us not to call on the dead.. So the lie is they are alive we can call on them, look how we benefit from it...same Devil, Same lies.
 
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ReinItIn

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I totally agree Cookie.
 
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Please, This is not to stir up strife. If you know the Word of God and what it say about this; please address this issue as humble as you know how giving all praises to the Lord Jesus Christ; our Holy Father, God the Almighty.

I was watching CNN the other day and they said that pope John Paul II, was one step away from sainthood. Saying he performed a miracle AFTER DEATH, when he died a week later he healed a woman {nun} of parkensin disease. They said if he perform one more miracle {being dead} he will become a saint......

I know this is fully Idolatry and no man living or dead can do nothing and have no power to do anything outside of God, neither would God let any man take credit for something He has done....

Do any of you believe that the devil will bless people to bind them?

I know the bible call all believers sainst of God; and we all are called a holy priesthood, never in the bible where it said LIVING man had power to do anything, espeially NOT the DEAD!!!! God was always present with them and performed healings, signs and wonders. It is the power of the Holy Spirit of God working in his children that Spiritual gifts are performed.... I know so many more to show this is the work of the devil; false doctrine, just pure evil....... but I give it over to the family that we be one in agreement with the Word of God.... two or more standing for truth, God's truths not man"s...

God bless all those who seek His truths; with His truths...
He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living! The saints in heaven are ALIVE. We are NOT worshiipping them, we are asking them to pray for us because they are in God's presence when they pray for us so their prayers are very powerful.

"Now about the dead rising--have you not read in the book of Moses, in the account of the bush, how God said to him, 'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You are badly mistaken!"

(Matthew 12:26-27 NIV)
 
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