According to the Zechariah who spoke the promise.
According to Joel YHWH makes the following statement.
Joel2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward That I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your old men shall dream dreams, Your young men shall see visions. 29 And also on My menservants and on My maidservants I will pour out My Spirit in those days. 30“And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth: Blood and fire and pillars of smoke. 31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood, Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the LORD. 32 And it shall come to pass That whoever calls on the name of the LORD Shall be saved.
According to Jesus no one has heard or saw the Father.
Jn 6:46 Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father.
Jn 5:37 And the Father Himself, who sent Me, mhas testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nnor seen His form.
If that is true who spoke. Following Luke 24:29 seems that it was the Father who spoke
Luke 24:49 Behold, I send the Promise of My Father upon you; but tarry in the city of Jerusalem until you are endued with power from on high.”
If that is true there is a contradiction between Luke and John. Note Joel is somewhat ambiguous as to who speaks. Zachariah settles the question.
Zech 12:10 “And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn.
Premise one = In Joel YHWH promises to pour out the HS
Premise two. According to Jesus no one has seen or heard the Father.
Premise three. According to Jesus the HS was promised by the Father
Premise four . According to Zechariah YHWH identifies Himself as the one promising the HS and also being the one pierced.
Premise five. Jesus is the only one pierced.
Conclusion. Based on the evidence Jesus is the one speaking in Joel, conveying the promise of the Father.
According to Joel YHWH makes the following statement.
Joel2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward That I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your old men shall dream dreams, Your young men shall see visions. 29 And also on My menservants and on My maidservants I will pour out My Spirit in those days. 30“And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth: Blood and fire and pillars of smoke. 31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood, Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the LORD. 32 And it shall come to pass That whoever calls on the name of the LORD Shall be saved.
According to Jesus no one has heard or saw the Father.
Jn 6:46 Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father.
Jn 5:37 And the Father Himself, who sent Me, mhas testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nnor seen His form.
If that is true who spoke. Following Luke 24:29 seems that it was the Father who spoke
Luke 24:49 Behold, I send the Promise of My Father upon you; but tarry in the city of Jerusalem until you are endued with power from on high.”
If that is true there is a contradiction between Luke and John. Note Joel is somewhat ambiguous as to who speaks. Zachariah settles the question.
Zech 12:10 “And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn.
Premise one = In Joel YHWH promises to pour out the HS
Premise two. According to Jesus no one has seen or heard the Father.
Premise three. According to Jesus the HS was promised by the Father
Premise four . According to Zechariah YHWH identifies Himself as the one promising the HS and also being the one pierced.
Premise five. Jesus is the only one pierced.
Conclusion. Based on the evidence Jesus is the one speaking in Joel, conveying the promise of the Father.
