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This should be all you need to know. I will not justify myself any longer. Please contact everyone who starts a thread and that everything is to be cleared by you. I can't reason with you. Go in peace.
Remember Rom 14:4
GOD'S WORD® Translation
Who are you to criticize someone else's servant? The Lord will determine whether his servant has been successful. The servant will be successful because the Lord makes him successful.
Remember Rom 14:4
GOD'S WORD® Translation
Who are you to criticize someone else's servant? The Lord will determine whether his servant has been successful. The servant will be successful because the Lord makes him successful.
Yeah I know I was going to remove myself from this thread but I agree here
Abraham was a prophet, Gen 20:7
And God says how he has spoken by the prophets in Hosea
Hosea 12:10 I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions,
and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets.
So He used similitudes by them
And when Melchisedec met Abraham
Heb 7:15 And it is yet far more evident:
for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
The law having a shadow of the things to come
Some see it (as I do also) as Jesus (to come) in that shadow (from where another ariseth a priest) he himself being the priest of the most high God (before Abraham) who was also made Christ and Lord (Acst 2:36) and a priest for ever after the specific order of Melchisedec before Levi made it out of the loins of Abraham. He who has no beginning and end or traces a genealogy unto or through Levi which afterward received the priesthood and the law and the commandment to receive tithes. Our Lord (even the seed to come) the word of God (made flesh) sprang from Judah of which tribe Moses said nothing regarding the priesthood (under the order of Aaron). This showing in a priest before the priesthood they know of) these things in Melchisedec made in the similitude of the one to come. A priest so great that the prophet Abraham gave tithes of all to, even as they asked Jesus, "Art thou greater than our father Abraham"? Being before him, it seems more like Hebrews which goes into just how great A MAN he is also IN that priesthood also. And since speaking by the prophets (which Abraham surely was) and using similitudes as Melchisedec is (and prophesying as the law does even) Hebrews says, in respect to such things its evident as our Lord sprang out of Judah and again of which tribe Moses saying nothing in respects to it but that after the very similitude of Melchisedec ariseth another priest which is something far more evident in that particular similitude (pointing to Christ) as after that order and after that similitude in those same things everything else is wrapped up under, and shown before Abraham even was named Abraham, and still, Abram even. the whole type in him screams this is really speaking of Jesus (made our Lord, Christ, righteousness, wisdon, peace, and King).
Well to me. I reserve the right (in speaking freely) to be wrong in my own wording when not copy pasting
Abraham was a prophet, Gen 20:7
And God says how he has spoken by the prophets in Hosea
Hosea 12:10 I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions,
and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets.
So He used similitudes by them
And when Melchisedec met Abraham
Heb 7:15 And it is yet far more evident:
for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
The law having a shadow of the things to come
Some see it (as I do also) as Jesus (to come) in that shadow (from where another ariseth a priest) he himself being the priest of the most high God (before Abraham) who was also made Christ and Lord (Acst 2:36) and a priest for ever after the specific order of Melchisedec before Levi made it out of the loins of Abraham. He who has no beginning and end or traces a genealogy unto or through Levi which afterward received the priesthood and the law and the commandment to receive tithes. Our Lord (even the seed to come) the word of God (made flesh) sprang from Judah of which tribe Moses said nothing regarding the priesthood (under the order of Aaron). This showing in a priest before the priesthood they know of) these things in Melchisedec made in the similitude of the one to come. A priest so great that the prophet Abraham gave tithes of all to, even as they asked Jesus, "Art thou greater than our father Abraham"? Being before him, it seems more like Hebrews which goes into just how great A MAN he is also IN that priesthood also. And since speaking by the prophets (which Abraham surely was) and using similitudes as Melchisedec is (and prophesying as the law does even) Hebrews says, in respect to such things its evident as our Lord sprang out of Judah and again of which tribe Moses saying nothing in respects to it but that after the very similitude of Melchisedec ariseth another priest which is something far more evident in that particular similitude (pointing to Christ) as after that order and after that similitude in those same things everything else is wrapped up under, and shown before Abraham even was named Abraham, and still, Abram even. the whole type in him screams this is really speaking of Jesus (made our Lord, Christ, righteousness, wisdon, peace, and King).
Well to me. I reserve the right (in speaking freely) to be wrong in my own wording when not copy pasting
Yeah I know I was going to remove myself from this thread but I agree here
Abraham was a prophet, Gen 20:7
And God says how he has spoken by the prophets in Hosea
Hosea 12:10 I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions,
and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets.
So He used similitudes by them
And when Melchisedec met Abraham
Heb 7:15 And it is yet far more evident:
for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
The law having a shadow of the things to come
Some see it (as I do also) as Jesus (to come) in that shadow (from where another ariseth a priest) he himself being the priest of the most high God (before Abraham) who was also made Christ and Lord (Acst 2:36) and a priest for ever after the specific order of Melchisedec before Levi made it out of the loins of Abraham. He who has no beginning and end or traces a genealogy unto or through Levi which afterward received the priesthood and the law and the commandment to receive tithes. Our Lord (even the seed to come) the word of God (made flesh) sprang from Judah of which tribe Moses said nothing regarding the priesthood (under the order of Aaron). This showing in a priest before the priesthood they know of) these things in Melchisedec made in the similitude of the one to come. A priest so great that the prophet Abraham gave tithes of all to, even as they asked Jesus, "Art thou greater than our father Abraham"? Being before him, it seems more like Hebrews which goes into just how great A MAN he is also IN that priesthood also. And since speaking by the prophets (which Abraham surely was) and using similitudes as Melchisedec is (and prophesying as the law does even) Hebrews says, in respect to such things its evident as our Lord sprang out of Judah and again of which tribe Moses saying nothing in respects to it but that after the very similitude of Melchisedec ariseth another priest which is something far more evident in that particular similitude (pointing to Christ) as after that order and after that similitude in those same things everything else is wrapped up under, and shown before Abraham even was named Abraham, and still, Abram even. the whole type in him screams this is really speaking of Jesus (made our Lord, Christ, righteousness, wisdon, peace, and King).
Well to me. I reserve the right (in speaking freely) to be wrong in my own wording when not copy pasting
Abraham was a prophet, Gen 20:7
And God says how he has spoken by the prophets in Hosea
Hosea 12:10 I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions,
and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets.
So He used similitudes by them
And when Melchisedec met Abraham
Heb 7:15 And it is yet far more evident:
for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
The law having a shadow of the things to come
Some see it (as I do also) as Jesus (to come) in that shadow (from where another ariseth a priest) he himself being the priest of the most high God (before Abraham) who was also made Christ and Lord (Acst 2:36) and a priest for ever after the specific order of Melchisedec before Levi made it out of the loins of Abraham. He who has no beginning and end or traces a genealogy unto or through Levi which afterward received the priesthood and the law and the commandment to receive tithes. Our Lord (even the seed to come) the word of God (made flesh) sprang from Judah of which tribe Moses said nothing regarding the priesthood (under the order of Aaron). This showing in a priest before the priesthood they know of) these things in Melchisedec made in the similitude of the one to come. A priest so great that the prophet Abraham gave tithes of all to, even as they asked Jesus, "Art thou greater than our father Abraham"? Being before him, it seems more like Hebrews which goes into just how great A MAN he is also IN that priesthood also. And since speaking by the prophets (which Abraham surely was) and using similitudes as Melchisedec is (and prophesying as the law does even) Hebrews says, in respect to such things its evident as our Lord sprang out of Judah and again of which tribe Moses saying nothing in respects to it but that after the very similitude of Melchisedec ariseth another priest which is something far more evident in that particular similitude (pointing to Christ) as after that order and after that similitude in those same things everything else is wrapped up under, and shown before Abraham even was named Abraham, and still, Abram even. the whole type in him screams this is really speaking of Jesus (made our Lord, Christ, righteousness, wisdon, peace, and King).
Well to me. I reserve the right (in speaking freely) to be wrong in my own wording when not copy pasting
Go ahead and SPEAK...freely and often...because what you say speaks THE TRUTH!
And I, if I may speak freely as well, think that you, by HIS SPIRIT, are more than you let on to!
Don't you just Loooooooooooooove HIS WORD!
I scratched out the above paragraph in the above, and tried to word all that a little better so I am just putting a new paragraph here for the above one I deleted out
Some see it (as I do also) as Jesus (who was to come) even in that shadow (from which order we see a glimpse of this other priest which would arise) Psalam 110:4. In Melchisedec is shown as the priest of the most high God (untraceably before Abraham). Of the same Jesus would be made as God made him both Christ and Lord (Acst 2:36) a priest for ever after the specific order of Melchisedec (Not Aaron). Before their father Abraham, and so before Levi made it out of the loins of him. One who was fashioned to have no beginning and end or traces a genealogy unto or through Levi who would afterward receive the priesthood, the law and the commandment to receive tithes. Our Lord (the seed to come) the Word of God (made flesh) whose goings forths have been from everlasting prophesied to spring forth later out of Judah of which tribe Moses had said nothing regarding the priesthood. This then shows in a priest (who was before Abraham) of another order before that which come through the loins of Abraham. Melchisedec was made in the similitude of the one to come (Psalm 110:4, Heb 7:15). A priest so great that the prophet Abraham (who they called their father) who they saw as greater then all had given tithes of all. This is a big deal as God is the very God of Abraham, his name is great, a prince and prophet among them he is regarded as their father. They even asked Jesus, "Art thou greater than our father Abraham"? Ofcourse as the lesser is blessed of the better and being before Abraham, as Jesus was, Hebrews is the one that taking this up going into just how great A MAN he was also IN that priesthood (which was for to come).
God speaking by the prophets (of which Abraham surely was) using similitudes even as Hosea points out God has done so, that which would come after the similitude Melchisedec (Him being made like the one to come) which arises out of the shadow and is the light. This same prophesying as the law does to what is now evident. Whether in respects to our Lord springing out of Judah (Micah 5:2, Matt 2:5-6) of which tribe (again) Moses said nothing in respects to the preisthood, but is of that which preceeds Moses (and Abraham) found in the similitude of Melchisedec being made like unto the Son (even as Melchisedek was) so that which would arise after, another priest in an order before the law (and its priesthood) and above every shadow, and on his part is that something which is far more evident in that particular similitude (pointing Christ-ward). Sorta reminds me of how all things things which seem so "out of order" begin to show amazing order in all the details as you dig them up. Even his meeting Abraham before he was named Abraham, but still Abram until after but then its like all the details become so difficult to order up. Jesus made Lord, Christ, King, our righteousness and peace, and the wisdom of God.
Some see it (as I do also) as Jesus (who was to come) even in that shadow (from which order we see a glimpse of this other priest which would arise) Psalam 110:4. In Melchisedec is shown as the priest of the most high God (untraceably before Abraham). Of the same Jesus would be made as God made him both Christ and Lord (Acst 2:36) a priest for ever after the specific order of Melchisedec (Not Aaron). Before their father Abraham, and so before Levi made it out of the loins of him. One who was fashioned to have no beginning and end or traces a genealogy unto or through Levi who would afterward receive the priesthood, the law and the commandment to receive tithes. Our Lord (the seed to come) the Word of God (made flesh) whose goings forths have been from everlasting prophesied to spring forth later out of Judah of which tribe Moses had said nothing regarding the priesthood. This then shows in a priest (who was before Abraham) of another order before that which come through the loins of Abraham. Melchisedec was made in the similitude of the one to come (Psalm 110:4, Heb 7:15). A priest so great that the prophet Abraham (who they called their father) who they saw as greater then all had given tithes of all. This is a big deal as God is the very God of Abraham, his name is great, a prince and prophet among them he is regarded as their father. They even asked Jesus, "Art thou greater than our father Abraham"? Ofcourse as the lesser is blessed of the better and being before Abraham, as Jesus was, Hebrews is the one that taking this up going into just how great A MAN he was also IN that priesthood (which was for to come).
God speaking by the prophets (of which Abraham surely was) using similitudes even as Hosea points out God has done so, that which would come after the similitude Melchisedec (Him being made like the one to come) which arises out of the shadow and is the light. This same prophesying as the law does to what is now evident. Whether in respects to our Lord springing out of Judah (Micah 5:2, Matt 2:5-6) of which tribe (again) Moses said nothing in respects to the preisthood, but is of that which preceeds Moses (and Abraham) found in the similitude of Melchisedec being made like unto the Son (even as Melchisedek was) so that which would arise after, another priest in an order before the law (and its priesthood) and above every shadow, and on his part is that something which is far more evident in that particular similitude (pointing Christ-ward). Sorta reminds me of how all things things which seem so "out of order" begin to show amazing order in all the details as you dig them up. Even his meeting Abraham before he was named Abraham, but still Abram until after but then its like all the details become so difficult to order up. Jesus made Lord, Christ, King, our righteousness and peace, and the wisdom of God.
Wow! You go girl!
Go ahead and SPEAK...freely and often...because what you say speaks THE TRUTH!
And I, if I may speak freely as well, think that you, by HIS SPIRIT, are more than you let on to!
Don't you just Loooooooooooooove HIS WORD!
Go ahead and SPEAK...freely and often...because what you say speaks THE TRUTH!
And I, if I may speak freely as well, think that you, by HIS SPIRIT, are more than you let on to!
Don't you just Loooooooooooooove HIS WORD!
But Im always fine with differences of opinion that way, its not like thats an easy one, it is said to be something hard to be uttered, and if they found it that way with the skills given them of God, I certainly dont have greater then them but its just fun to dig and think on them and set them forth again and again, which is also helpful for our understanding that way. Now that I love.
God bless you
Oh, it's just unfathomable how GOD'S WORD, is a LOVE STORY to HIS DISOBEDIENT CHILDREN who were ever and always going astray...and how HE hid HIS SON in HIS prespoken WORD until the time would come when HE would send forth HIS SON into the world to do what was planned from the beginning...
GOD'S WORD is a well-fitted puzzle, picture and parallel of CHRIST.
And in everything!
CHRIST is there!
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I think we are butting heads, for one reason is a different formula for the babies outside. I look at it like this. I would say the milk is what John the Baptist preached. It looks the same as what Peter preached on the first day of Pentecost. What is the milk to you?
This to me is what I was concerned about when I was being led to Christ.
This to me is what I was concerned about when I was being led to Christ.
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Wow! You go girl!
Go ahead and SPEAK...freely and often...because what you say speaks THE TRUTH!
And I, if I may speak freely as well, think that you, by HIS SPIRIT, are more than you let on to!
Don't you just Loooooooooooooove HIS WORD!
Go ahead and SPEAK...freely and often...because what you say speaks THE TRUTH!
And I, if I may speak freely as well, think that you, by HIS SPIRIT, are more than you let on to!
Don't you just Loooooooooooooove HIS WORD!
Since you can now see the value in allowing dialogue and individuality. That was my point. Peace
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Criticizing me is not the issue. I take issue with (your words) Melchizedek was simply a temporary shadow. Yet, this is said of him, in scripture.
Without genealogy,without mother or father, without end of life.
Please forgive me for having a different opinion, but I don't see anything that would lead me to the same conclusion, you and others take. I see something more.
Without genealogy,without mother or father, without end of life.
Please forgive me for having a different opinion, but I don't see anything that would lead me to the same conclusion, you and others take. I see something more.
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Miknik5 you said it yourself:Hath God not said?
Simple hermoneutics 101
Did God say: A priest forever or did He say your a temporary shadow?
He could not have said both!
My dad once told me that the Bible can say whatever you want it to say when you take it out of context. For example, Job in the Old Testament said some things that are not scriptural and these things are in the Bible. However, if you look at the whole story, you realize that God rebuked Him for those things. It’s important to be careful when quoting the Bible. The disciples misquoted the scripture. When you read the story of Elijah, he never called down fire to kill anyone. Dudes and chicks, when reading the Bible always read in context and understand the full story. A lot of damage can get done if the Bible is misquoted. And if something does not make sense, ask someone more mature who can answer your questions. Never make up answers.
Simple hermoneutics 101
Did God say: A priest forever or did He say your a temporary shadow?
He could not have said both!
My dad once told me that the Bible can say whatever you want it to say when you take it out of context. For example, Job in the Old Testament said some things that are not scriptural and these things are in the Bible. However, if you look at the whole story, you realize that God rebuked Him for those things. It’s important to be careful when quoting the Bible. The disciples misquoted the scripture. When you read the story of Elijah, he never called down fire to kill anyone. Dudes and chicks, when reading the Bible always read in context and understand the full story. A lot of damage can get done if the Bible is misquoted. And if something does not make sense, ask someone more mature who can answer your questions. Never make up answers.
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Hey PilgrimPassingThru,
You make many excellent points, and do have an elegant delivery. You have confirmed my fear though, you are one in a million.
This shows the value in having an open forum,such as this chat room provides, and like you said: To turn things over in your mind, to look at it from different angles. I see your heart for God and His word. This is not milk, but strong meat. I disagree with those that think discussing such things is waiting time.
I do come to a different conclusion, but can see clearly what you, and others are saying.
If your premise were to show the inferior nature of The mosaic law, the livitical priesthood, and the prophets compared to Christ, then I would have no rebuttal, whatsoever.
I just think that Melchizedek stands apart, in that this is said of him:He is without father or mother or genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor
end of life
I believe this makes it clear(at least to me) that he is a priest forever, and has been a priest long before he met Abraham coming back from the battle to save his nephew Lot.
I suppose this is the core of the debate, that has continued for so many centuries, and probably why Melchizedek is so prominent
in the writings found at Qumran(known as the dead sea scrolls)
I do think that the way thing pan out in The Last Days, will surprise all of us.
Therefore it is fitting and right that we sharpen each others iron in free and open discussion.
Be Blessed and feel the freedom that His word instills in us, to all those that are diligent students of His love book.
You make many excellent points, and do have an elegant delivery. You have confirmed my fear though, you are one in a million.
This shows the value in having an open forum,such as this chat room provides, and like you said: To turn things over in your mind, to look at it from different angles. I see your heart for God and His word. This is not milk, but strong meat. I disagree with those that think discussing such things is waiting time.
I do come to a different conclusion, but can see clearly what you, and others are saying.
If your premise were to show the inferior nature of The mosaic law, the livitical priesthood, and the prophets compared to Christ, then I would have no rebuttal, whatsoever.
I just think that Melchizedek stands apart, in that this is said of him:He is without father or mother or genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor
end of life
I believe this makes it clear(at least to me) that he is a priest forever, and has been a priest long before he met Abraham coming back from the battle to save his nephew Lot.
I suppose this is the core of the debate, that has continued for so many centuries, and probably why Melchizedek is so prominent
in the writings found at Qumran(known as the dead sea scrolls)
I do think that the way thing pan out in The Last Days, will surprise all of us.
Therefore it is fitting and right that we sharpen each others iron in free and open discussion.
Be Blessed and feel the freedom that His word instills in us, to all those that are diligent students of His love book.
Do you understand by (i think, correct me if I am wrong) suggesting that there is another earthly "high priest" to come, you contradict GOD'S WORD (Haggai 2) and you are actually leading people away from THE ONLY ACCEPTABLE and HOLY OFFERING before the throne of GOD?
In what you are doing, you are actually doing the work of "Preparing many to receive the anti-christ"....because in the last day, the earthly temple will be rebuilt and men (ignorant of the TRUTH of GOD) will reinstate animal sacrifices for guilt and sin...and by your somehow implying that we are waiting for "another one" you make these ignorant men ready to accept in this false earthly temple, "another" to offer up these offerings...and that is an ABOMINATION!~
In what you are doing, you are actually doing the work of "Preparing many to receive the anti-christ"....because in the last day, the earthly temple will be rebuilt and men (ignorant of the TRUTH of GOD) will reinstate animal sacrifices for guilt and sin...and by your somehow implying that we are waiting for "another one" you make these ignorant men ready to accept in this false earthly temple, "another" to offer up these offerings...and that is an ABOMINATION!~
Job is one of my favorite books.
Please tell me what is NOT scriptural in the book of Job.
Thank you....
In fact, I suggest you reread Job and pay careful attention to "THE HEDGE"...because it will be the same thing when "HE WHO HOLDS ALL THINGS BACK IS TAKEN OUT OF THE WAY"...or this, "HE HIDES HIS FACE FROM JACOB'S STRUGGLES".
GOD's word in Job prepared us to wait.
Blessed the man who waits 1335 days and does not go out...
Or, you can refer to Job's understanding...
I know my redeemer lives and HE shall stand upon the earth in the last days, and even as my flesh wears away, still and even in my flesh, my own eyes will see GOD...
Please tell me what is NOT scriptural in the book of Job.
Thank you....
In fact, I suggest you reread Job and pay careful attention to "THE HEDGE"...because it will be the same thing when "HE WHO HOLDS ALL THINGS BACK IS TAKEN OUT OF THE WAY"...or this, "HE HIDES HIS FACE FROM JACOB'S STRUGGLES".
GOD's word in Job prepared us to wait.
Blessed the man who waits 1335 days and does not go out...
Or, you can refer to Job's understanding...
I know my redeemer lives and HE shall stand upon the earth in the last days, and even as my flesh wears away, still and even in my flesh, my own eyes will see GOD...
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There should not be so much confusion - nor the use of confusion. Jesus is THE High priest, a priest on the ORDER of Melchkzadek. There is no other. The Mormon Melchizadekian, as Rachelbiblestudent alludes/infers is a Talmudic system of modern day rabbis as she aptly points out from times of old in reference to Shem. It becomes 'Shem Ham for Ash'. The systems are apostate, occultic, illegitimate.
Given the illegitimacy in the world (over 40% in the U.S.) the illegitimate children will rise up to renounce the illegitimacy of the false systems of man that created them. Whether that "illegitimacy" is from a system such as government or religion directly as those are in apostasy and heresy - or those deceived by such systems (e.g. school children impregnating or being impregnated - spiritually and physically by their government school teachers - the ultimate reaction is rejection. Jesus was offered control of all the kingdoms of the world by the devil - just as Obama was - unlike Obama, Dhali Lama, the Nobel Cult, The Habitat for Humanity cult and etc. Jesus as true Melchizadekian rejected the spiritual and physical illegitimacy offered by the devil / satanic controlled systems and was obedient to the higher truth - even unto death. Praise Jesus!
Sorry if this sounds like rambling as it merely touches on many complicated, inter-woven, convoluted concepts in a few brief words. Room for other threads from here.
Given the illegitimacy in the world (over 40% in the U.S.) the illegitimate children will rise up to renounce the illegitimacy of the false systems of man that created them. Whether that "illegitimacy" is from a system such as government or religion directly as those are in apostasy and heresy - or those deceived by such systems (e.g. school children impregnating or being impregnated - spiritually and physically by their government school teachers - the ultimate reaction is rejection. Jesus was offered control of all the kingdoms of the world by the devil - just as Obama was - unlike Obama, Dhali Lama, the Nobel Cult, The Habitat for Humanity cult and etc. Jesus as true Melchizadekian rejected the spiritual and physical illegitimacy offered by the devil / satanic controlled systems and was obedient to the higher truth - even unto death. Praise Jesus!
Sorry if this sounds like rambling as it merely touches on many complicated, inter-woven, convoluted concepts in a few brief words. Room for other threads from here.