Who was almost all of the New Testament Written to?

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7seasrekeyed

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Matt...your bio shows you were saved in 2015

who has taught you the things you are saying?

without meaning to belittle you, you are way off the mark...even for a preterist as you said you were yesterday...a person with basically no biblical knowledge does not arrive at preterism by themself

there are people here who have studied the word for years...they know what they are talking about

respectfully, you might take some of their advice and concern for you at face value

you misrepresent the Bible quite badly...for someone who has been in the faith only a few years, why have you decided that the Bible is simply a history book?

I don't really want to get back to you on this..maybe someone can point you to some proper studies or recommend books to help you with your studies and thoughts on scripture

really... I am saddened by how you are viewing the Bible
 
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7seasrekeyed

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Matt is speaking of audience relevance which needs to be taken into account when attempting to understand the message - he has a valid point.

Most futurist "theologies" ignore this especially when dealing with time specific statements that actually defeat what they proclaim and when this is challenged they blithely trot out the "thousand years as a day" mantra from Peter's letter.

nonsense

as preterists view scripture as (almost) one big allegorical soup, what else would you say?

even basic beginner Bible students understand context, place, audience etc., which is more than we can say for preterists who have rendered scripture one big bedtime story

you mention the 1000 year day that no serious Bible student would use as a proof that preterists are not correct...sure people say that, but then they do not actually study...which gives you a handy way to sound superior

we all know the time frames in Revelation do not match up with your preterist prattle...and you sound as silly as the 1000 years in a day crowd you constantly mention in your 'proof' for preterism

I won't bother to refute your response should you give one, as past threads have amptly revealed your actual lack of biblical knowledge and aptitude for copy/pasting ridiculous articles to 'try' to make a case
 
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Matt...your bio shows you were saved in 2015

who has taught you the things you are saying?
Sister 7seasrekeyed,

A person named Shawn, very helpful preacher to me, and I am very thankful God placed Him in my life when, He (God) did.

Just because I believe in what is known as a view call preterist, it doesn't mean I'm better than anyone else, anyone is able to believe freely how ever they are going to choose so, but I believe in this way that the Lord Jesus Christ has come back is because it is a true fact you can say to anyone.

You can go up to anyone and say hey, did you know that the Lord Jesus Christ is with us right now, and that He does love you, and wants you to speak with Him about all the problems going on in your life, so that you may have some rest and comfort knowing you have the Lord Jesus Christ, and God over you and that they love you and you are loved.

I love the Word of God, it is very helpful, No I may not read it as often as everyone else, the holy spirit reminds me of the things I was taught, when I did read and study the word of God by myself, alone with out anyone teaching me anything at first when I was just a babe in Christ. Sometimes I like to act immature still though if I am going to be honest my dear friend in Christ Jesus, I am quite mature, for who I am in Christ Jesus.

there are people here who have studied the word for years...they know what they are talking about
respectfully, you might take some of their advice and concern for you at face value

you misrepresent the Bible quite badly...for someone who has been in the faith only a few years, why have you decided that the Bible is simply a history book?
If you think so that is fine. The bible is God's written inspired book, which is the Word of God as well. It does have and effect on the heart when one reads the Word of God, and we are changed and have a relationship with God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and loving other people.

It is also a History book, there is a lot of history in it.

Dear sister, thank you for bring this question up.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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nonsense

as preterists view scripture as (almost) one big allegorical soup, what else would you say?

even basic beginner Bible students understand context, place, audience etc., which is more than we can say for preterists who have rendered scripture one big bedtime story

you mention the 1000 year day that no serious Bible student would use as a proof that preterists are not correct...sure people say that, but then they do not actually study...which gives you a handy way to sound superior

we all know the time frames in Revelation do not match up with your preterist prattle...and you sound as silly as the 1000 years in a day crowd you constantly mention in your 'proof' for preterism

I won't bother to refute your response should you give one, as past threads have amptly revealed your actual lack of biblical knowledge and aptitude for copy/pasting ridiculous articles to 'try' to make a case
If it was just the time frames which was in contention, it may be a minor issue, but it goes so much fuirther than that. The events do not match, the people do not match, the mass tragedies and words of great tribulations do not match, the wars do not match, the characters do not match... I can go on and on and On.
 

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For myself it means, that a lot of the new testament letters where written to people in a certain frame work and time period who are all gone now, are dead and passed away, the Age of that time has done come and has passed away.​

That is of no consequence whatsoever. It is written to every human being at all times (2 Tim 3:16,17), and the epistles are primarily for Christians as you have noted in the quotations.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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well I'm just about to sign off Matt, but Shawn...Shawn who?

get serious here Matt...what gives you the idea anyone thinks you think you are better? where does this come from?

preterism...full blown preterism is anything but superior! it is an inferior and intellectually ignorant understanding of the word

we actually have a full blown preterist in the family who is in love with his own ideas...no room for the Holy Spirit and nothing to look forward to. he has convinced a brother into that nonsense as well...they like to express their existence in the world by saying 'we are living in the kindgdom'

does this world seem like God's kingdom to you? have all tears been washed away? is Christ the eternal light in the world or do we still use electricity? do we still have diseases and murders, rapes and abortion? crime? sickness? disease?

God promises all these things will be GONE in His heaven...we are not in heaven and this is not the 1000 year reign of Christ

don't take offense here (I'm very straightforward but can take it too so get offended) but you have to be a complete idiot to look around you at this world and say you are living in the kingdom

was it the kingdom of God for those 17 students killed? (I live in FL...Canadian ...but not in Canada)

we are allowed to use our noodles you know...this world is not an allegory anymore than Revelation or the rest of the Bible

Jesus often spoke in parables...but those are metaphors...not allegories

Jesus is NOT with us right now...read the scriptures...Jesus is ascended to heaven ..and has sent the Holy Spirit to indwell believers

I don't know who Shawn is, but he is not preaching the word if you have the idea that the Bible is only past

Sometimes I like to act immature still though if I am going to be honest my dear friend in Christ Jesus, I am quite mature, for who I am in Christ Jesus.
Matt...no one is a mature believer who has been saved for a short a time as you have...

what do you know of sanctification ? what has 'Shawn' told you about that

I am asking...what kind of church do you go...or is it just a homegroup?

seems you are pretty brainwashed here...to think you are a mature Christian but you just pretend otherwise when it suits you

that does not wash Matt...anyway...may or may not be back later

I will ask though..why are you convinced that preterism is the truth?...concrete answer please...what has convince you?

ps...you can forget the dear sister for me...too sweet...I prefer a tough conversation to a 'I am so polite that angels float above my head when I speak'

don't mind my 'humor'

I have a genuine concern for you Matt...for some reason...you are a babe in Christ and you are being stolen from the LIFE that God gives us in Him by believing as you do...but someone has convinced you of these things and the burden is with them, which is why few should fancy themself a teacher...God has a different measuring stick for those who take on that responsibility without the gift of teaching which He gives
 
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Locutus

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nonsense

as preterists view scripture as (almost) one big allegorical soup, what else would you say?
This is were your understanding of preterism falls short.

even basic beginner Bible students understand context, place, audience etc., which is more than we can say for preterists who have rendered scripture one big bedtime story
Ditto my response above

you mention the 1000 year day that no serious Bible student would use as a proof that preterists are not correct...sure people say that, but then they do not actually study...which gives you a handy way to sound superior
"thousand years as day" is well used by futurists in an attempt to get around the imminence statements - sorry to pop yer bubble

we all know the time frames in Revelation do not match up with your preterist prattle...and you sound as silly as the 1000 years in a day crowd you constantly mention in your 'proof' for preterism
You all know.....


I won't bother to refute your response should you give one, as past threads have amptly revealed your actual lack of biblical knowledge and aptitude for copy/pasting ridiculous articles to 'try' to make a case
Except for my citation of a few authors to back up my position ALL my posts are my own writings, whether on this site or another.

While Matt may not phrase his topics and posts in the best or clearest way he is way further ahead than most of you futurists.

Matt:

(1 Tim 4:12 KJV) Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity.

Or woman.....
 
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Matt is speaking of audience relevance which needs to be taken into account when attempting to understand the message - he has a valid point.

Most futurist "theologies" ignore this especially when dealing with time specific statements that actually defeat what they proclaim and when this is challenged they blithely trot out the "thousand years as a day" mantra from Peter's letter.
I agree. Paul was battling with a Mainstream Religion which continued to perform Levitical Priesthood ceremonial, sacrificial "works of the Law" for remission of sins even after Jesus rose from the dead. His letters were directed to confront this teaching in many cases.

"2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?"

Matt does have a valid point as most of today's preachers refuse to acknowledge the mainstream religion of that time. Choosing instead to use these scriptures as support for their own religious traditions which "Transgress the Commandments of God".

As he pointed out, Paul is mostly speaking to people who have already repented, have already circumcised the foreskins of their heart and they already know what the "work of the Lord" is.

57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

A good conversation to have imho.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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No response ma'am. 7seasrekeyed God bless you.
no response because the truth is heavier than the light weight lie you have been taught

I pray God brings you out of this lie and into His TRUE kingdom

I pray God in His mercy, releases you from this false religion,m in Jesus Name

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7seasrekeyed

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Locutus...he who laughs last, laughs best...sadly, this is not a laughing matter

I pray God opens your eyes as well

in Jesus Name...may God bless and keep you
 

Locutus

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Locutus...he who laughs last, laughs best...sadly, this is not a laughing matter

I pray God opens your eyes as well

in Jesus Name...may God bless and keep you
He already did - I was "futurist" for years - after a comprehensive fight against pretersim I came to see it as a very reasonable and logical position to take.

I well understand your opposition to preterism as I once stood where you are and I know the futurist "theologies" well.

It's a long way to Tipperary, it's a long way to go....
 

iamsoandso

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I don't think that was intentional soandso, he's more like emphasizing rather than the letters being written to Dear Christian throughout the centuries is pointing out they were addresses to a specific people in a particular time. That's not to say they don't have any meaning for us.

See, if I wasn't an alligator I might think you were speaking to some crocodiles hundreds of years from now..:p

lol, I don't think he did either. Someone A9D, 13,28 ect. would/will spot it and at his age(no offense) after debating that very "who's being spoken to" a few times will lead to a better choice of wording...

P.S.
lol, but if it is future=hundreds of years from now you should have said "after while crocodile", ha!
 

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Romans 1: 1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, a called apostle, having been separated to the good news of God -- 2 which He announced before through His prophets in holy writings -- 3 concerning His Son, (who is come of the seed of David according to the flesh, 4 who is marked out Son of God in power, according to the Spirit of sanctification, by the rising again from the dead,) Jesus Christ our Lord; 5 through whom we did receive grace and apostleship, for obedience of faith among all the nations, in behalf of his name; 6 among whom are also ye, the called of Jesus Christ;
7 to all who are in Rome, beloved of God, called saints; Grace to you, and peace, from God our Father, and [from] the Lord Jesus Christ!

1 Corinthians 1: Paul, a called apostle of Jesus Christ, through the will of God, and Sosthenes the brother, 2 to the assembly of God that is in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus, called saints, with all those calling upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ in every place -- both theirs and ours: 3 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ!

Galatians 1: 1: Paul, an apostle -- not from men, nor through man, but through Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who did raise him out of the dead -- 2 and all the brethren with me, to the assemblies of Galatia: 3 Grace to you, and peace from God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ,

Ephesians 1: 1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, to the saints who are in Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus: 2 Grace to you, and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Philippians 1: 1 Paul and Timotheus, servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus who are in Philippi, with overseers and ministrants; 2 Grace to you, and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Colossians 1: 1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Timotheus the brother, 2 to the saints in Colossae, and to the faithful brethren in Christ: Grace to you, and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ!

1 Thessalonians 1: 1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, to the assembly of Thessalonians in God the Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace to you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ!

1 Timothy 1: 1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to a command of God our Saviour, and of the Lord Jesus Christ our hope, 2 to Timotheus -- genuine child in faith: Grace, kindness, peace, from God our Father, and Christ Jesus our Lord, 3 according as I did exhort thee to remain in Ephesus -- I going on to Macedonia -- that thou mightest charge certain not to teach any other thing,

1 Titus 1:1 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of the choice ones of God, and an acknowledging of truth that [is] according to piety, 2 upon hope of life age-during, which God, who doth not lie, did promise before times of ages, 3 (and He manifested in proper times His word,) in preaching, which I was entrusted with, according to a charge of God our Saviour, 4 to Titus -- true child according to a common faith: Grace, kindness, peace, from God the Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour!

Philemon 1: 1 Paul, a prisoner of Christ Jesus, and Timotheus the brother, to Philemon our beloved and fellow-worker, 2 and Apphia the beloved, and Archippus our fellow-soldier, and the assembly in thy house:

Hebrews : Was written to Jewish Converts noting the name of it called Hebrews.

James 1:1 James, of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ a servant, to the Twelve Tribes who are in the dispersion: Hail!

1 Peter 1: Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the choice sojourners of the dispersion of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, 2 according to a foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, to obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace be multiplied!

1 John : I don't really exactly know who it was written to but it is here in the bible.

2 John: 1 The Elder to the choice Kyria, and to her children, whom I love in truth, and not I only, but also all those having known the truth,

3 John: 1 The Elder to Gaius the beloved, whom I love in truth!


Jude 1: 1 Judas, of Jesus Christ a servant, and brother of James, to those sanctified in God the Father, and in Jesus Christ kept -- called, 2 kindness to you, and peace, and love, be multiplied!

Revelation 1: A revelation of Jesus Christ, that God gave to him, to shew to his servants what things it behoveth to come to pass quickly; and he did signify [it], having sent through his messenger to his servant John, 2 who did testify the word of God, and the testimony of Jesus Christ, as many things also as he did see. 3 Happy is he who is reading, and those hearing, the words of the prophecy, and keeping the things written in it -- for the time is nigh! 4 John to the seven assemblies that [are] in Asia: Grace to you, and peace, from Him who is, and who was, and who is coming, and from the Seven Spirits that are before His throne


Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

I don't include the book of Acts in this because that was the Apostles on their mission to do what Jesus Christ had set out for them to do until he came back, to put a end to the Messianic age.

The Gospels was played out in front of their eyes while Jesus Christ walking around, died, and rose again. He came for the house of Israel.

For myself it means, that a lot of the new testament letters where written to people in a certain frame work and time period who are all gone now, are dead and passed away, the Age of that time has done come and has passed away.
ok question what dose this mean to you ? The part in bold .
What is different now ? Sense you bring this up ,it leads one to believe that their some new standard.
Is there somthing new ?
If their is somthing different where do we find out about it .
Where is it spelled out ?
Blessings
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Lewiz

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nonsense

as preterists view scripture as (almost) one big allegorical soup, what else would you say?

even basic beginner Bible students understand context, place, audience etc., which is more than we can say for preterists who have rendered scripture one big bedtime story

you mention the 1000 year day that no serious Bible student would use as a proof that preterists are not correct...sure people say that, but then they do not actually study...which gives you a handy way to sound superior

we all know the time frames in Revelation do not match up with your preterist prattle...and you sound as silly as the 1000 years in a day crowd you constantly mention in your 'proof' for preterism

I won't bother to refute your response should you give one, as past threads have amptly revealed your actual lack of biblical knowledge and aptitude for copy/pasting ridiculous articles to 'try' to make a case
Preterist prattle......Haahaa. Say that 3 times real fast, lol.
 

Lewiz

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@ Matt,
There's people on here who don't agree with each other for whatever reason telling you the same thing over & over.
It's time to consider your ways.
Even I know the preterist view is wrong.
 
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@ Bill it all means to me just Freedom in the Lord Jesus Christ to Love God, and Love Others.
I am not trying to set a new standard at all, I'm just showing that there is something here, and worth sharing with others.

All there is too believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and we walk in the spirit, and the spirit produces love, kindness, forgiveness unto other human beings whom we are to love as our self.

But also the bible can be looked at how it is going to be looked at, because that is the Freedom we have in Christ Jesus, I shared all of these starting verses in the books that were written and complied into the new testament, which where once letters to show that these men and women in Christ Jesus where called saints, and beloved. This is just something to say, it never says it was written to us exactly, we just happened to have it complied and translated into english and called the bible.

God bless friend, and all of you.
 
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Israel as Gods elect among the nations is the chosen vessel through which the word of God is given the to world. The NT is written to the Jews first then to the rest of the world. The letters are written to the Jewish churches scattered throughout the region.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

Lewiz

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Israel as Gods elect among the nations is the chosen vessel through which the word of God is given the to world. The NT is written to the Jews first then to the rest of the world. The letters are written to the Jewish churches scattered throughout the region.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Those letters are also for everyone.
Colossians 4
15Give my greetings to the brothers[SUP]c[/SUP] at Laodicea, and to Nympha and the church in her house. 16
And when this letter has been read among you, have it also read in the church of the Laodiceans; and see that you also read the letter from Laodicea.

Seems we have a woman pastor in the mix, too.


 
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7seasrekeyed

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Those letters are also for everyone.
Colossians 4
15Give my greetings to the brothers[SUP]c[/SUP] at Laodicea, and to Nympha and the church in her house. 16
And when this letter has been read among you, have it also read in the church of the Laodiceans; and see that you also read the letter from Laodicea.

Seems we have a woman pastor in the mix, too.


in her house does not necessarily mean a woman pastor

I have attended meetings in female friends house...she was not a pastor...no pastor there at all in fact...just Christians gathered to worship, pray and have Bible study together

I realize that is not a church either, but if I open my home, as a woman, and have church in my home...won't make me a pastor

yes...I'm nit picking ... reading preterism prattle puts me on edge :p