who was here before adam and eve

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jeff_peacemkr

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GOOD! thank you Tintin ;

the Bible is simple when all those strange ideas are not brought in to confuse people and try to keep them from God's Kingdom.

go back to and stay with the Bible. it is written to not even study those strange and wrong stories introduced through men in darkness and continued by ongoing deceptions..... a lot of children and adults have been totally gone astray thereby. get free of them and remain free in the truth in Christ Jesus.

the false stories not in line with the Bible are not just harmful by themselves, but almost always associated with other false teachings to lead people even further astray,
so the bad effects are multiplied and not to be taken or considered lightly. it is literally dangerous for men's souls.
 
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Kerry

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Why would God create an Earth that was void and full of darkness against His nature doncha ya tink?
 
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jeff_peacemkr

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[h=3]Isaiah 45:7 (KJ21)[/h]
[SUP]7 [/SUP]I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil; I, the Lord, do all these things.



Psalm 115:3-11 NKJV - But our God is in heaven; He does ...
But our God is in heaven; He does whatever He pleases.
 
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Kerry

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jeff_peacemkr said:
Isaiah 45:7 (KJ21)


[SUP]7 [/SUP]I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil; I, the Lord, do all these things.






Psalm 115:3-11 NKJV - But our God is in heaven; He does ...
But our God is in heaven; He does whatever He pleases.
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out of context.
 
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Tintin said:
If satan and his kind had already fallen to Earth, why then does God declare the completion of creation as 'very good'? They would've marred creation with sin and its consequences. The simplest and most logical explanation is that they were kicked from Heaven after God created man and woman but prior to the serpent tempting Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden.
Some of you needlessly complicate the Scriptures. There was no new creation between the first two verses of Genesis, there was no Great Flood prior to Noah, there was no second Garden of Eden. Only one.
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When satan was cast to the earth, his spirit had impregnated into Eve because she had submitted to him; but when she had children, the spirit that was in her has past down to her children; but Abel didn't submitted to it because he had tried his best to do what is right by not letting evil rule his body, but Cain had listen and obeyed these evil desires. When these evil desires comes into Cain, Cain should of have had said to himself, that it wouldn't be right to harm his brother, but he didn't because he didn't had no love inside of him to rebuke those evil desires when they had came to tempt him. There are some souls that doesn't has no good in them at all and those are the son of the devil because they doesn't has anything good in them.
 
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4enlightment said:
When satan was cast to the earth, his spirit had impregnated into Eve because she had submitted to him; but when she had children, the spirit that was in her has passed down to her children; but Abel didn't submitted to it because he had tried his best to do what is right by not letting evil rule his body, but Cain had listen and obeyed these evil desires. When these evil desires comes into Cain, Cain should of have had said to himself, that it wouldn't be right to harm his brother, but he didn't because he didn't had no love inside of him to rebuke those evil desires when they had came to tempt him. There are some souls that doesn't has no good in them at all and those are the son of the devil because they doesn't has anything good in them.
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Erm... uh... oh, never mind.
 
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Tintin said:
If satan and his kind had already fallen to Earth, why then does God declare the completion of creation as 'very good'? They would've marred creation with sin and its consequences. The simplest and most logical explanation is that they were kicked from Heaven after God created man and woman but prior to the serpent tempting Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden.
Some of you needlessly complicate the Scriptures. There was no new creation between the first two verses of Genesis, there was no Great Flood prior to Noah, there was no second Garden of Eden. Only one.
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First off, Satan was "created" perfect, and remained such until sin was found in Him. We were also "created" perfect. If you think that the Garden of Eden that Satan was walking in and the Garden of Eden Adam and Eve were in match in their descriptions, then something is wrong. Kind of like how my cat compares to a car. What ever Garden of Eden Satan was in was completely gone, and "re-created" per say by the time Adam and Eve came around.

If you "believe" that the comparisons are the same, just show me how things match up. I am open to altering my beliefs in the light of the fullness of the word of God, "cut-straight". I have seen some great feats of hermeneutical contortionism in my day. So let's see what you can do to make a direct comparison between the two gardens.

Otherwise, I have to go with the earth originally created for angels, the fall of angels being prior to the new garden, and the destruction of the old garden and the recreation of the new (It was "created" perfect as well). That's what seems to fit all of the facts/passages, without adding meaning that isn't there, subtracting meaning that is there, or distorting meaning to force it to conform with preconceived beliefs. I await your comparison of the two Gardens of Eden. Let the show begin ...
 
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Simiel said:
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

If God told them to replenish ..that means the earth was full of beings before them,
Replenish= repopulate

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Each of the four OT locations of this word revolves around the replenishing of animals after death has occurred to them.

If this is true, then that would connect mankind to the animal world - which is hard to deny, as we share the same building blocks as animals - only our Spirit makes us different.
 
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john one predates genesis

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2The same was in the beginning with God.

- 2 beings not 3


3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord,
which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.




He telleth the number of the stars; he calleth them all by their names.
7When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?​
 
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Joel 2:3 (KJV)


2A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness,
as the morning spread upon the mountains:

a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like,
neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.

3A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth:
the land is as the garden of Eden before them,
and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.

who are this nation, if the years of many generations starts at Adam ?
 
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And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.​
 
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john832 said:
Not a particularly good translation...

replenish...

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מָלָא מָלֵא
mâlê' mâlâ'
maw-lay', maw-law'
A primitive root, to fill or (intransitively) be full of, in a wide application (literally and figuratively): - accomplish, confirm, + consecrate, be at an end, be expired, be fenced, fill, fulfil, (be, become, X draw, give in, go) fully (-ly, -ly set, tale), [over-] flow, fulness, furnish, gather (selves, together), presume, replenish, satisfy, set, space, take a [hand-] full, + have wholly.
Total KJV occurrences: 251

To fill.
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Incidentally, that same word was used by God in His instructions to Noah and his family in Genesis 9:1.
 
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