Why Christians hate gays and love bacon?

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This is a bit of a long text but I suggest everyone read it whole to understand my message here. Its worth the read, and it'll give you all something to think about. And probably give you incentive to go and reread your Bible.

Well, why do Christians like bacon and hate gays? Same reason that they don’t hate shellfish eaters but do hate gay people?

Why so many Christians hate gays all boils down to the source of hatred.

Religion is not the cause of it, it’s the excuse. It’s what bigots use to rationalize their bigotry: “The Bible says it’s an abomination”.

This off course refers to the Book of Leviticus, the third book of the Bible. Specifically Lev. 20:13, which says (in the King James Version), "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination."

Don’t get me wrong. Leviticus has many wonderful truly inspiring passages. Like the Jubilee laws outlined in chapter 25, for example, provide an inspiring vision of liberty and justice for all. The 10th verse of this chapter even supplied the inscription for the Liberty Bell: "proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof."

The Jubilee laws and the ideals they embody, unfortunately, are nearly wholly neglected and forgotten. Most of the book of Leviticus is similarly neglected.

Yet some passages live on, their teachings still regarded as unwavering and binding.

The thing is, though, that the book of Leviticus condemns a lot of things as "abominations." The 11th chapter is overflowing with abominations. For example, from verses 10-12:

And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you: They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcasses in abomination. Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.

Yes, indeed people. Leviticus states very clearly that eating shellfish is an abomination. Many, if not most Christians today eat shrimp or other shellfish. Yet, there has never ever been any persecution of shellfish-eaters. Why is that? Why is one sentence taken as “God’s law”, and another just as “ancient dietary laws”, when they’re both forbidden in the same book, and the condemnation for both (”abomination”) is the same?

The answer, of course, is that people are already bigots (though an important source of that bigotry may well be church sermons). Saying “It’s God’s command” instead of admitting to their prejudice makes them feel better.

The folks over on the religious right cite Leviticus as evidence that homosexuals are an unclean "abomination," yet they have no problem eating at Red Lobster. What gives?

Since many observers have noted this apparent inconsistency I figured I would wade in to try to explain why it is that so many contemporary Christians reject gays while embracing shellfish and bacon.

To understand why God is no longer considered a hater of shrimp or bacon eaters you have to flip ahead to the Acts of the Apostles, the good doctor's account of the early days of the Christian church.

Acts chapter 10 finds the apostle Peter on a rooftop in Joppa, praying at noon before heading down to lunch.

The impulsive former fisherman has grown into a genuine leader in the early church. At Pentecost, he preached the gospel to people from every corner of the Roman Empire and he is slowly appreciating that this new community is supposed to transcend any ethnic or cultural boundaries. But the goyim still seem to bug him a bit. Especially the Romans.

So God gives him a vision. Peter falls into a trance and sees a vision of a giant tablecloth descending from heaven. The tablecloth is covered with honeybaked hams, cheesesteaks, crab cakes, calamari and lobster.

"Eat up, Peter," a voice tells him

"Surely not, Lord!" Peter says. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean."

"Don't call anything unclean that God has made clean," the voice says. "And try the angels on
horseback, they're like butter."

This happens three times.

This is generally regarded as an instance in which a New Testament passage seems to set aside a prohibition from the Old Testament. And that's why our friends on the religious right do not feel compelled to eat kosher and do not consider shellfish to be "an abomination."

Fair enough, but there's something else going on in this story. The main point of Peter's rooftop epiphany has nothing to do with diet. The main point of this vision had to do with the people who were about to knock on Peter's door.

Peter is about to meet Cornelius. Cornelius is a gentile. Worse than that, he is a Roman. Worse than that, he is a Roman centurion. Cornelius is about as kosher as a bacon double cheeseburger.

But give Peter credit -- he understood the vision. "Don't call anything unclean that God has made clean." Don't call anyone unclean that God has made clean.

Peter does not treat Cornelius as an unclean outsider. He travels to the centurion's house, where he says, "You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with a Gentile or visit him. But God has shown me that I should not call any man impure or unclean."

Peter gets it. In this new community that God is building, this church, there is neither Jew nor Greek, male nor female, slave nor free. No one is excluded as unclean.

This is the unsubtle point that Luke is hammering home for his gentile friend Theophilus. The surrounding chapters of Acts read like a hyper-P.C. after-school special on celebrating diversity. The church embraces Jews and gentiles, Roman soldiers and slaves, men and women, Africans, Greeks and even a token white European.

In our fondness for Easter ham, we Christians have fervently clung to the surface-level meaning of Peter's vision. But we haven't been as enthusiastic about embracing the larger, more important lesson God was teaching him there on the rooftop. When the "unclean" outsiders knock on our doors, we don't like inviting them in.

That, in a nutshell, is why some Christians happily dismiss one "abomination" while still behaving abominably out of allegiance to another.

(Oh, and what about Leviticus' Jubilee laws? Those were never set aside by anything in the New Testament, but Christians no longer treat them as authoritative because, um ... well, because money is pretty and shiny and let's us buy nice things.)

If biblical prohibition were the real source of condemnation, we would find ourselves in a society where shellfish eaters and bankers would be prohibited from participating in youth organizations like the Boy Scouts. Those who insist on such a ban would argue that those who so flagrantly violate God’s law cannot possibly be moral, and clearly cannot be considered good role models for our children.

What type of message does it give our children to be a member of a troop whose troop leader is known to be a practicing shellfish or bacon eater or banker – when the Bible so clearly identifies these acts as a violation of His law? These children will no doubt come to think that all of God’s law are open to question. This type of moral relativism is the last thing that we need to be teaching impressionable young minds.

When the church was in its early days God, and I mean God himself said onto Peter himself that the old ways had to put aside. God was giving mankind a new fresh start. God sacrificed his own son to give us this grand gift. No longer was mankind allowed to view his fellow man as unclean and unworthy.

God was reminding Peter that no person was unclean in His eyes. God wasn’t just talking about people who eat shellfish or bacon. He was talking about all the people that Leviticus and other books in the Bible called unclean. That includes gay people. They are not unclean. They are also the children of God. God does not view them as sinners, just as much as he doesn’t view bacon and shellfish eaters as sinners.

Look at why He, in his infinite wisdom, gave us this great gift. So we wouldn’t end up in the society Jesus had to live in. Full of hypocrites, shunned innocents, and people treating their brothers and sisters as unworthy unclean people that had no rights in life. Jesus died to help teach us this lesson. Jesus taught it all his life. He embraced the so called unclean people in the world. The bankers, the tax collectors, the Romans, the gentiles, the prostitutes, the lepers, the blind and lame…. That is what Jesus died for. For our sins. And God clearly instructed Peter what those sins where. One of them was the sin of mistreating each other. Leviticus calls shellfish and bacon people unclean people. Yet God himself said onto Peter not to see them as such. Not to treat them as such.

God absolved us all of viewing each other as unclean.

So, there you have it. Isn't this clear and unquestionable proof that homosexuality is not a sin in the eyes of God. God told of to put bigotry behind us. Jesus himself died professing this message. If you think it a sin to be gay then perhaps it is you who is sinning in the eyes of our Lord.

If you read the Bible, read it whole, don't just quote little sections of it. They lose their context and meaning that way. The Bible is not a weapon. But a teaching tool and a message from God to mankind. God never ever supports hate, it teaches love and acceptance. We have no right, and no business judging each others souls. That is God's privilege.

Feel free to share your thoughts on this topic. What do you think of these parts of the Bible, that are unfortunately, very much under read, and very poorly understood parts of the Bible.

I hope this gives people something to think about. Remember what God said to Peter in the Acts of the Apostles.
Think of this.

'YOU shall not partake of their flesh'.

Just because something is an 'abomination', doesn't mean I force others to do the same as I do.

That make sense? I don't hate gay people, at all.

I love you. And I get the Peter message. 'Even if someone is considered sinful, don't cast them out. Bring them in. Don't hate'. Totally true. :)

It IS a sin. But it's also a sin to judge you.

Unless you want me to 'help', I won't say anything about it. Because what's the point if it falls on deaf ears and hurts you? The abominations are for me to stay away from. Not force on anyone else.

You don't force anyone to be gay. I don't force anyone not to be.
 
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I love what you wrote up until your conclusion. You bring up great points, but your conclusion seems to forget Matthew 5:19

"Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

Homosexuality is directly called out as a sin in Leviticus 18:22

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22 “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable."

When you combine those two very literal premises, that we are not to A) Reject, ignore, or preach that others do the same, any of the commandments in Leviticus ("The Law") and B) Lay with another of the same sex, then it is evident that your conclusion

"Isn't this clear and unquestionable proof that homosexuality is not a sin in the eyes of God"

Is invalid. God does not contradict himself or redact statements as Matthew 5:18 states

"For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."


So yes, God does view homosexuality as a sin (I.E. detestable) and he did not change His mind. The point that is being made in Acts Chapter 10 is that we as humans are not to detest or reject the man for his sins, for aren't we all sinners and judging another man for his sins would be chastising someone for the spec in their eye but ignoring the plank in ours? None of us can keep the law in its entirety. Jesus died for us to redeem our failures and sins, but that doesn't make our acts any less heinous. Hate the sin, not the sinner.
 
Feb 7, 2013
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Peace be with you, JESUS taught us not to wrestle against flesh and blood but against the rulers, against authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places (Ephesians 6;12).
We are to mind our own business and ignore gays who want to continue in their ignorance, with the wrong spiritual bondage.
JESUS rebuked and chase away these spirits so that a man can become whole again as how he was naturally created. And when this man then continues with the teachings of JESUS, he will always be protected from these foul spirits.
'Is JESUS and satan friends?'
'Are darkness and light the same?'
'Do they have anything in common/"
'Stay away from the people who are not the followers of the LORD JESUS CHRIST.'
We don't hate gays but we are uncomfortable with the foul spirit that manifest in them which they ignorantly carry and make it look okay for others to feel sorry and accept. These spirits which bounds them and manifest through them, are using some churches (meaning the body of Christ) to acknowledge and accept their practices even to marriage.
GOD has called all to repent and Christians did not deny turned back to GOD, gays the salvation help of the MESSIAH.
On behalf, i also do apologize for the hypocrisy of Christians who are lacking in the understanding and in the growth of the Holy Bible teachings.
On the other side, on behalf, i also forgive the hypocrisy of gays who are naturally haters, who hate those who hate them, in defense call others haters.
Only for the born again of water and HOLY SPIRIT Christians;
'Do not defeat evil with evil but defeat evil with good.'
'Love is our guide and love is our debt.'
"The New Covenant of the Kingdom of GOD is not about sacrifice but mercy."
'Grace has been shown onto you, show grace onto others.'
While on the Cross in pain and hurt, JESUS prayed for mercy for those who persecuted HIM in ignorance;
'FATHER forgive them, for they knew not what they do.'
In the books of Acts, Stephen prayed the same prayer for those who stoned him to death.
JESUS loves to save the gays but first HE will cast out that foul spirit which HE forbids from remaining in them.
Then anew HE will start building them with the FATHER's every Word.
Those who have come clean by the help of the FATHER GOD to follow CHRIST must continue moving forward and not look back. Least you get tempted.
 

santuzza

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OP, I didn't read your entire post because your premise is incorrect. Christians do no HATE gays. We would like to see them leave their hedonistic llifestyle and get to know Jesus and follow God's commands.
 

john832

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I don't hate gays and I don't eat bacon.
 
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First of all God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. And blessed them and said be fruitful and multiply. Satan is counter-productive, that is why he hates marriages, so can Adam and Steve produce a baby, No! Has God blessed any gay marriage in the bible? No! What was the sin of sodom and Gomorrah? Note that sodomy is derived from these sodomites gays who could rape any male stranger. what happened to that city? Secondly the issue of unclean foods has nothing to do with sodomy. It was an abomination and it is an abomitation still. Cornelius was not unclean because he was a devout man, one that feared God, he only needed the Christ, so if you are unclean, the badge that fit you best is labeled unclean for all to see. You sream unclean! Unclean! Wherever you are like lepers of the old times. Why do sinners hate to be called by their name? If you are righteous, we shall call you righteous, but as for the gays and lesbians, no hard feelings but they are unclean in heaven and on earth. They are so un-natural, anti God, even if they justify it, their hearts remain filthy as rags. And they know it. To God you have no rights to sin, you have rights here on earth, we respect your rights, as in why should we interfere in your unholy acts, but if you come to my church, or happen to challenge us by misquoting the Bible, well, you shall receive the seven damnations. We don't hate you, (the flesh /soul) but we definately hate the inluence you have on our kids, God loves you ,but he hates sin, if you don't want to seperate with sin, if i hate the sin, how can i spare the sinner? I mean, lets be honest, how can i hate robbery, bear with the robber, these two cannot be seperated. There is no condemnation, only to those in Christ, and those in Christ are Christlike. Christianity is all about Christ, not Moses, not Leviticus, not laws. Was Christ gay? No! Were the disciples gay? No!, so no to gays in Christianity. Go do it in Babylon, not in Christ. We defend what is Holy, even if un-holy goernments authorise you, even if earthly laws protect you, we preach the Bible without fear or trembling. Read 1 Cor. 6:9-11. The only love we can give to you, is giving you the world, but if you want us to sup with you, forget it. we cannot bear with you, evildoers, and God supports us (Rev 2:2,6) we hate your deeds, if you want love, be loveable.
 
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True Christians who follow Jesus Christ example, DO NOT HATE gay people or the like. We hate and abhor the detestable sexual lifestyle or practice connected to gays. We DON'T HATE THE PERSON. We hate the acts. True christians also recognize or appreciate that according to the Scriptures, the men and women who are gay can change their course down the road and become christians if they choose to do so (1st Corinthians 6:9-11; particularly verse 11). Of course many persons, including some gay people, know from the Bible that such a lifestyle goes against Bible principles and law, which is going against God Himself. All people were created with a free will to decide for themselves how they want to live their life. However, one has to live with the consequences, good or bad because of the choices and decisions one makes in life (Galatians 6:7-9). That's why it's so important to get, and keep God's mind on the matter.Perhaps one day those who are gay may join those who are true Christians.....Brow beating and harsh, unkind criticism of a person's way of life certainly doesn't encourage others or gays to become christians; especially when those who claim to be 'Christian', show themselves to be hostile in their manner or anything but; because of their actions, thinking, and their speech (Titus 1:16).
This is a bit of a long text but I suggest everyone read it whole to understand my message here. Its worth the read, and it'll give you all something to think about. And probably give you incentive to go and reread your Bible.

Well, why do Christians like bacon and hate gays? Same reason that they don’t hate shellfish eaters but do hate gay people?

Why so many Christians hate gays all boils down to the source of hatred.

Religion is not the cause of it, it’s the excuse. It’s what bigots use to rationalize their bigotry: “The Bible says it’s an abomination”.

This off course refers to the Book of Leviticus, the third book of the Bible. Specifically Lev. 20:13, which says (in the King James Version), "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination."

Don’t get me wrong. Leviticus has many wonderful truly inspiring passages. Like the Jubilee laws outlined in chapter 25, for example, provide an inspiring vision of liberty and justice for all. The 10th verse of this chapter even supplied the inscription for the Liberty Bell: "proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof."

The Jubilee laws and the ideals they embody, unfortunately, are nearly wholly neglected and forgotten. Most of the book of Leviticus is similarly neglected.

Yet some passages live on, their teachings still regarded as unwavering and binding.

The thing is, though, that the book of Leviticus condemns a lot of things as "abominations." The 11th chapter is overflowing with abominations. For example, from verses 10-12:

And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you: They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcasses in abomination. Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.

Yes, indeed people. Leviticus states very clearly that eating shellfish is an abomination. Many, if not most Christians today eat shrimp or other shellfish. Yet, there has never ever been any persecution of shellfish-eaters. Why is that? Why is one sentence taken as “God’s law”, and another just as “ancient dietary laws”, when they’re both forbidden in the same book, and the condemnation for both (”abomination”) is the same?

The answer, of course, is that people are already bigots (though an important source of that bigotry may well be church sermons). Saying “It’s God’s command” instead of admitting to their prejudice makes them feel better.

The folks over on the religious right cite Leviticus as evidence that homosexuals are an unclean "abomination," yet they have no problem eating at Red Lobster. What gives?

Since many observers have noted this apparent inconsistency I figured I would wade in to try to explain why it is that so many contemporary Christians reject gays while embracing shellfish and bacon.

To understand why God is no longer considered a hater of shrimp or bacon eaters you have to flip ahead to the Acts of the Apostles, the good doctor's account of the early days of the Christian church.

Acts chapter 10 finds the apostle Peter on a rooftop in Joppa, praying at noon before heading down to lunch.

The impulsive former fisherman has grown into a genuine leader in the early church. At Pentecost, he preached the gospel to people from every corner of the Roman Empire and he is slowly appreciating that this new community is supposed to transcend any ethnic or cultural boundaries. But the goyim still seem to bug him a bit. Especially the Romans.

So God gives him a vision. Peter falls into a trance and sees a vision of a giant tablecloth descending from heaven. The tablecloth is covered with honeybaked hams, cheesesteaks, crab cakes, calamari and lobster.

"Eat up, Peter," a voice tells him

"Surely not, Lord!" Peter says. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean."

"Don't call anything unclean that God has made clean," the voice says. "And try the angels on
horseback, they're like butter."

This happens three times.

This is generally regarded as an instance in which a New Testament passage seems to set aside a prohibition from the Old Testament. And that's why our friends on the religious right do not feel compelled to eat kosher and do not consider shellfish to be "an abomination."

Fair enough, but there's something else going on in this story. The main point of Peter's rooftop epiphany has nothing to do with diet. The main point of this vision had to do with the people who were about to knock on Peter's door.

Peter is about to meet Cornelius. Cornelius is a gentile. Worse than that, he is a Roman. Worse than that, he is a Roman centurion. Cornelius is about as kosher as a bacon double cheeseburger.

But give Peter credit -- he understood the vision. "Don't call anything unclean that God has made clean." Don't call anyone unclean that God has made clean.

Peter does not treat Cornelius as an unclean outsider. He travels to the centurion's house, where he says, "You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with a Gentile or visit him. But God has shown me that I should not call any man impure or unclean."

Peter gets it. In this new community that God is building, this church, there is neither Jew nor Greek, male nor female, slave nor free. No one is excluded as unclean.

This is the unsubtle point that Luke is hammering home for his gentile friend Theophilus. The surrounding chapters of Acts read like a hyper-P.C. after-school special on celebrating diversity. The church embraces Jews and gentiles, Roman soldiers and slaves, men and women, Africans, Greeks and even a token white European.

In our fondness for Easter ham, we Christians have fervently clung to the surface-level meaning of Peter's vision. But we haven't been as enthusiastic about embracing the larger, more important lesson God was teaching him there on the rooftop. When the "unclean" outsiders knock on our doors, we don't like inviting them in.

That, in a nutshell, is why some Christians happily dismiss one "abomination" while still behaving abominably out of allegiance to another.

(Oh, and what about Leviticus' Jubilee laws? Those were never set aside by anything in the New Testament, but Christians no longer treat them as authoritative because, um ... well, because money is pretty and shiny and let's us buy nice things.)

If biblical prohibition were the real source of condemnation, we would find ourselves in a society where shellfish eaters and bankers would be prohibited from participating in youth organizations like the Boy Scouts. Those who insist on such a ban would argue that those who so flagrantly violate God’s law cannot possibly be moral, and clearly cannot be considered good role models for our children.

What type of message does it give our children to be a member of a troop whose troop leader is known to be a practicing shellfish or bacon eater or banker – when the Bible so clearly identifies these acts as a violation of His law? These children will no doubt come to think that all of God’s law are open to question. This type of moral relativism is the last thing that we need to be teaching impressionable young minds.

When the church was in its early days God, and I mean God himself said onto Peter himself that the old ways had to put aside. God was giving mankind a new fresh start. God sacrificed his own son to give us this grand gift. No longer was mankind allowed to view his fellow man as unclean and unworthy.

God was reminding Peter that no person was unclean in His eyes. God wasn’t just talking about people who eat shellfish or bacon. He was talking about all the people that Leviticus and other books in the Bible called unclean. That includes gay people. They are not unclean. They are also the children of God. God does not view them as sinners, just as much as he doesn’t view bacon and shellfish eaters as sinners.

Look at why He, in his infinite wisdom, gave us this great gift. So we wouldn’t end up in the society Jesus had to live in. Full of hypocrites, shunned innocents, and people treating their brothers and sisters as unworthy unclean people that had no rights in life. Jesus died to help teach us this lesson. Jesus taught it all his life. He embraced the so called unclean people in the world. The bankers, the tax collectors, the Romans, the gentiles, the prostitutes, the lepers, the blind and lame…. That is what Jesus died for. For our sins. And God clearly instructed Peter what those sins where. One of them was the sin of mistreating each other. Leviticus calls shellfish and bacon people unclean people. Yet God himself said onto Peter not to see them as such. Not to treat them as such.

God absolved us all of viewing each other as unclean.

So, there you have it. Isn't this clear and unquestionable proof that homosexuality is not a sin in the eyes of God. God told of to put bigotry behind us. Jesus himself died professing this message. If you think it a sin to be gay then perhaps it is you who is sinning in the eyes of our Lord.

If you read the Bible, read it whole, don't just quote little sections of it. They lose their context and meaning that way. The Bible is not a weapon. But a teaching tool and a message from God to mankind. God never ever supports hate, it teaches love and acceptance. We have no right, and no business judging each others souls. That is God's privilege.

Feel free to share your thoughts on this topic. What do you think of these parts of the Bible, that are unfortunately, very much under read, and very poorly understood parts of the Bible.

I hope this gives people something to think about. Remember what God said to Peter in the Acts of the Apostles.