I've skimmed through a few threads dealing with predestination. I don't think any has answered why God decided choose Israel in the beginning of Genesis. Since He did choose the Israelites as His people, then wouldn't that still carry over today? Aren't certain people called instead of others today, just as they were back then? Please be civil about this. Things have a tendency to get off track in the BDF.
Why did God choose Israel?
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Jeremiah 17:4 And thou, even thyself, shalt discontinue from thine heritage that I gave thee; and I will cause thee to serve thine enemies in the land which thou knowest not: for ye have kindled a fire in mine anger, which shall burn for ever
Psamls 83:1Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God.
2*For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head.
3*They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones.
4*They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.
Psamls 83:1Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God.
2*For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head.
3*They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones.
4*They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.
K
[h=1]Romans 11-So I ask, “God has not rejected his people, has he?” Of course not! I am an Israeli myself, a descendant of Abraham from the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not rejected his people whom he chose[a] long ago...And so I ask, “They have not stumbled so as to fall, have they?” Of course not! On the contrary, because of their stumbling, salvation has come to the gentiles to make the Jews[i] jealous. 12 Now if their stumbling means riches for the world, and if their fall means riches for the gentiles, how much more will their full participation mean!...For I want to let you know about this secret, brothers, so that you will not claim to be wiser than you are: Stubbornness has come to part of Israel until the full number of the gentiles comes to faith.[o] 26 In this way, all Israel will be saved, as it is written,[/h]“The Deliverer will come from Zion;
he will remove ungodliness from Jacob.
27 This is my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”[p]
28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake, but as far as election is concerned, they are loved for the sake of their ancestors. 29 For God’s gifts and calling never change. 30 For just as you disobeyed God in the past but now have received his mercy because of their disobedience, 31 so they, too, have now disobeyed. As a result, they may[q] receive mercy because of the mercy shown to you. 32 For God has locked all people in the prison of their own disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
he will remove ungodliness from Jacob.
27 This is my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”[p]
28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake, but as far as election is concerned, they are loved for the sake of their ancestors. 29 For God’s gifts and calling never change. 30 For just as you disobeyed God in the past but now have received his mercy because of their disobedience, 31 so they, too, have now disobeyed. As a result, they may[q] receive mercy because of the mercy shown to you. 32 For God has locked all people in the prison of their own disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
D
For instance here
Mat 2:14When he arose, he (Joseph) took the young child and his mother by night, and departed -INTO- Egypt:
And stayed there UNTIL that it might be fulfilled what was spoken in respects to OUT OF Egypt (in Hosea 11:1)
Mat 2:15 And was there until the death of Herod: that -it might be- fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, -OUT OF- Egypt have I called my son.
(Referencing this back here)
Hosea 11:1When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son -OUT OF- Egypt.
(That it might be fulfilled) in respects to his departure here
Mat 2:19 But when Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the Lord appeareth in a dream to Joseph IN Egypt, Saying, Arise,and take the young child and his mother, and -GO INTO- the land of Israel: for they are dead which sought the young child's life.
All of which was determined before to be done
Acts 4:26 The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,
For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined -before- to be done.
Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Romans 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Romans 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Luke 24:49 And,behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you
Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Romans 8:9 ...Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
I snipped this out of another study, but just there, in the way that could be shown in Jesus Christ according to prophecy there.
Mat 2:14When he arose, he (Joseph) took the young child and his mother by night, and departed -INTO- Egypt:
And stayed there UNTIL that it might be fulfilled what was spoken in respects to OUT OF Egypt (in Hosea 11:1)
Mat 2:15 And was there until the death of Herod: that -it might be- fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, -OUT OF- Egypt have I called my son.
(Referencing this back here)
Hosea 11:1When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son -OUT OF- Egypt.
(That it might be fulfilled) in respects to his departure here
Mat 2:19 But when Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the Lord appeareth in a dream to Joseph IN Egypt, Saying, Arise,and take the young child and his mother, and -GO INTO- the land of Israel: for they are dead which sought the young child's life.
All of which was determined before to be done
Acts 4:26 The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,
For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined -before- to be done.
Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Romans 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Romans 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Luke 24:49 And,behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you
Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Romans 8:9 ...Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
I snipped this out of another study, but just there, in the way that could be shown in Jesus Christ according to prophecy there.
K
No, all are called. The gentiles were grafted in when the Jews rejected Christ. As per the verses I shared. There are a remnant of Jews,some believe all Jews, but there will definitely be believing Jews in the end times.They will accept peace brought by the anti Christ but then realize what they have done. Then they will be saved.
K
[h=1]Romans 3-What advantage, then, does the Jew have, or what value is there in circumcision? 2 There are all kinds of advantages! First of all, the Jews[a] have been entrusted with the utterances of God. 3 What if some of the Jews[b] were unfaithful? Their unfaithfulness cannot cancel God’s faithfulness, can it? 4 Of course not! God is true, even if everyone else is a liar.[/h]