Why do some prefer delusion over scriptures?

[louis]

I've noticed many times on this and other Christian forums that when someone posts a perspective on what something in the bible says, and they support their perspective with numerous scriptures, that there are those who will contest these assessments, but will have absolutely no scriptures to back up their denial of the Word.
For the most part these deniers of the Word have this delusion (pretty picture), painted in their heads about what something in the bible represents, but they provide no cooborating scriptures to support their perspectives.
I've also noticed that after someone with supporting scriptural evidence for what something represents posts something that is contrary to these individuals unsupported opinions, the deluded will then join together bringing numerous posts in order to bury the post that is supported by scriptures.
Paul had the same type thorn by Satan in his side, to contest and bury the illumination provided him by the Holy Spirit.

2 Corinthians 12:7 [FONT=&quot]And lest I should be exalted above measure [/FONT][FONT=&quot]through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger [/FONT][FONT=&quot]of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.[/FONT]

 

[MattG]

Do people who read the Holy bible hold some type of authority to say this is the right way this is the wrong way?

I'm sure there are many people out there that feel as if it is there place to correct others, even when others are probably set in their own understanding, because there isn't just one view to choose from, there are a few different views to choose from and this will how it will be forever.

There will people who argue over Once Saved Always Saved, or that There is no Once Saved Always saved, both will use scripture to support there positions.

There will people who argue with you over works based salvation, and not works based salvation... when we know that Salvation is found in Christ Jesus Alone by faith, through the Grace of God which is not of our self least any man shall boast.

There are just many individuals, who have be taught a certain way, and they kinda just remain there, sometimes though as they progress through there faith, they might changes ups a few of their own beliefs here and there, about a certain subject...

But what we can all agree on is that the Lord Jesus Christ came down from heaven, lived a life on this earth, and paid for the worlds sins, and God raised Him again if we place our faith in the Lord Jesus Christ we can have a relationship with Him and our Heavenly Father right now today.

I believe everyone who has faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, has freedom, and that means they have Freedom to Love God, and To Love Others which is the most important.

But as there are different views out there, people see things differently, and they have the right to believe as they are going to, it will always boil back down to love either way, to love others and to encourage them in the faith of the Lord Jesus Christ, that God loves them, and the Lord JEsus Christ loves them, and they care about them, and want to listen to you about your problems you go through in life and others lives.

 

[Depleted]

A very good question to ask yourself. I hope you find your answer, because the real Lord is the only real Lord.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Louis, scripture fits together, sort of like a puzzle that you can't tell what the picture is until you fit many pieces together.

There are verses in tension to other verses. You get a lopsided view without BOTH pieces.

I addressed this in the other thread when I said I understood what you were saying about double mindedness, but that you couldn't then make a hard and fast rule that the reason, 100% of the time, why for instance someone isn't healed, is because of double mindedness, because if you do, along comes Paul with his thorn, which wasn't removed, yet didn't have to do with double mindedness on his part.

Do you see what I mean?

 

[Locutus]

People generally have a hard time with being challenged about their firmly held beliefs Louis - it took nearly two years of hard battling with myself to change my position on eschatology, but I'm glad I took the time to do it.

I call it the KJV only effect..

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

1 Corinthians 3:11
For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

1 Peter 2:6-8
Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Zion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
7Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
8And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

 

[RickyZ]

Everything we believe should be based in scripture. But all too often opposing viewpoints don't consider the scripture given as something to consider - they see them as clay pigeons to take a shot at. Too, I put up one scripture saying one thing, you double down with two that say something different, the I see your 2 and raise you a third supporting my side, after which you go all in with a litany of passages. All too often scripture is used to war against each other, instead of being something to be considered.

 

[louis]

Do people who read the Holy bible hold some type of authority to say this is the right way this is the wrong way?

I'm sure there are many people out there that feel as if it is there place to correct others, even when others are probably set in their own understanding, because there isn't just one view to choose from, there are a few different views to choose from and this will how it will be forever.

There will people who argue over Once Saved Always Saved, or that There is no Once Saved Always saved, both will use scripture to support there positions.

There will people who argue with you over works based salvation, and not works based salvation... when we know that Salvation is found in Christ Jesus Alone by faith, through the Grace of God which is not of our self least any man shall boast.

There are just many individuals, who have be taught a certain way, and they kinda just remain there, sometimes though as they progress through there faith, they might changes ups a few of their own beliefs here and there, about a certain subject...

But what we can all agree on is that the Lord Jesus Christ came down from heaven, lived a life on this earth, and paid for the worlds sins, and God raised Him again if we place our faith in the Lord Jesus Christ we can have a relationship with Him and our Heavenly Father right now today.

I believe everyone who has faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, has freedom, and that means they have Freedom to Love God, and To Love Others which is the most important.

But as there are different views out there, people see things differently, and they have the right to believe as they are going to, it will always boil back down to love either way, to love others and to encourage them in the faith of the Lord Jesus Christ, that God loves them, and the Lord JEsus Christ loves them, and they care about them, and want to listen to you about your problems you go through in life and others lives.

When someone puts scriptures together with two or more other books from the bible that corroborate each other and fit together the way a jig saw puzzle fits together precisely to give a clear and accurate picture for what is being described; then for some other individual to come and say "No, it ain't so", while not providing a single logical reason or sriptural support for their denial; then yes those who do read the bible often and have a more clear understanding as to what is being descibed have a far greater authority than they who rarely or never read the bible.

 

[louis]

A very good question to ask yourself. I hope you find your answer, because the real Lord is the only real Lord.

Without elaboration to your remark, it is then only a cliché without substance.

 

[louis]

Louis, scripture fits together, sort of like a puzzle that you can't tell what the picture is until you fit many pieces together.

There are verses in tension to other verses. You get a lopsided view without BOTH pieces.

I addressed this in the other thread when I said I understood what you were saying about double mindedness, but that you couldn't then make a hard and fast rule that the reason, 100% of the time, why for instance someone isn't healed, is because of double mindedness, because if you do, along comes Paul with his thorn, which wasn't removed, yet didn't have to do with double mindedness on his part.

Do you see what I mean?

Very good stunnedbygrace, The bible is like a jigsaw puzzle that has many pieces that fit together, all of which when assembled together correctly can only provide a single clear concise picture on the events described. Revelation 10:7 also describes the Word as the mystery of God, which at some point in the future will be fully understood by those us who are His.

Revelation 10:7 [FONT=&quot]But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.[/FONT]

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Very good stunnedbygrace, The bible is like a jigsaw puzzle that has many pieces that fit together, all of which when assembled together correctly can only provide a single clear concise picture on the events described. Revelation 10:7 also describes the Word as the mystery of God, which at some point in the future will be fully understood by those us who are His.

Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

What I was trying to say is they think in that other thread that you are saying in every single instance that we don't see miracles because of double mindedness and since Paul did not see a miracle regarding his thorn, and it wasn't to do with double mindedness, it can't be a 100% of the time answer.

I still understand what you were saying though.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Everything we believe should be based in scripture. But all too often opposing viewpoints don't consider the scripture given as something to consider - they see them as clay pigeons to take a shot at. Too, I put up one scripture saying one thing, you double down with two that say something different, the I see your 2 and raise you a third supporting my side, after which you go all in with a litany of passages. All too often scripture is used to war against each other, instead of being something to be considered.

I agree. The scriptures must be fit together instead of being pitted one against another.

 

[louis]

Louis, scripture fits together, sort of like a puzzle that you can't tell what the picture is until you fit many pieces together.

There are verses in tension to other verses. You get a lopsided view without BOTH pieces.

I addressed this in the other thread when I said I understood what you were saying about double mindedness, but that you couldn't then make a hard and fast rule that the reason, 100% of the time, why for instance someone isn't healed, is because of double mindedness, because if you do, along comes Paul with his thorn, which wasn't removed, yet didn't have to do with double mindedness on his part.

Do you see what I mean?

I do see what you mean about Paul, but I do not believe Paul was double minded, as in his also having had faith in Mammon.
Paul was given a messenger from Satan contending with all that he prophesied from the Holy Spirit, so that Paul would not get full of himself with pride, seeing he was so much more enlightened than all his brethren.
Look what happened to Moses when though he knew it was the Lord who performed the act in providing water from his striking the rock in Horeb that produced water (Exodus 17:6), nevertheless, took the credit for himself; Moses was not allowed to enter the land of Israel. Moses' pride from Satan is what the Lord kept from Paul by providing Paul the Satanic thorn in his side.

Exodus 17:6 Behold, I will stand before thee there upon the rock in Horeb; and thou shalt smite the rock, and there shall come water out of it, that the people may drink. And Moses did so in the sight of the elders of Israel.

 

[crossnote]

I've noticed many times on this and other Christian forums that when someone posts a perspective on what something in the bible says, and they support their perspective with numerous scriptures, that there are those who will contest these assessments, but will have absolutely no scriptures to back up their denial of the Word.
For the most part these deniers of the Word have this delusion (pretty picture), painted in their heads about what something in the bible represents, but they provide no cooborating scriptures to support their perspectives.
I've also noticed that after someone with supporting scriptural evidence for what something represents posts something that is contrary to these individuals unsupported opinions, the deluded will then join together bringing numerous posts in order to bury the post that is supported by scriptures.
Paul had the same type thorn by Satan in his side, to contest and bury the illumination provided him by the Holy Spirit.

Delusion and truth do not mix well.

Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
(2Th 2:9-11)

You may think this has nothing to do with the OP, but in that case I would think again..it's a growing phenomenon.



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[eternally-gratefull]

You can make up about any belief, and most likely find enough parts of scripture to make it appear that belief is true.

Just because someone says they believe something and posts a few verses does nto make it true

 

[louis]

People generally have a hard time with being challenged about their firmly held beliefs Louis - it took nearly two years of hard battling with myself to change my position on eschatology, but I'm glad I took the time to do it.

I call it the KJV only effect..

Hello brother Locutus, I too, when I first began reading the Word, assumed the perspective of many, who I assumed had read the Word and were thusly knowledgeable on what these matters represented; only to find out after much perusal of the Word that many of these perspectives either conflicted or even denied the Word in scriptures.
We really need to study the Word for ourselves in order to divide it correctly, rather than let someone else, who may or may not know what is being described, interpret it for us.
I attribute the latter perspective for the darkness over the last couple of millennia.

 

[louis]

1 Corinthians 3:11
For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

1 Peter 2:6-8
Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Zion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
7Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
8And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

Very good brother GracethroughfaithinChrist; It makes one wonder how those who do not quote the Lords Word, but instead deny they who qoute the Word to support a perspective, do not see themselves as they who reject the stone?

 

[louis]

Everything we believe should be based in scripture. But all too often opposing viewpoints don't consider the scripture given as something to consider - they see them as clay pigeons to take a shot at. Too, I put up one scripture saying one thing, you double down with two that say something different, the I see your 2 and raise you a third supporting my side, after which you go all in with a litany of passages. All too often scripture is used to war against each other, instead of being something to be considered.

Exactly brother, and these in 2 Peter are they.

2 Peter 2:2 [FONT=&quot]And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;[/FONT]

 

[louis]

Delusion and truth do not mix well.

Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
(2Th 2:9-11)

You may think this has nothing to do with the OP, but in that case I would think again..it's a growing phenomenon.



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Does 2 Thess 2:9-11 speak of the faithful in Christ, or does it speak of the faithless masses who shall believe the lie and take on the mark of the beast?
If the latter, are you then not taking scriptures (the Word) out of context and applying it to someone who is quoting scriptures in support of other scriptures?
If, and as you are insinuating that someone here who is quoting scriptures illumination from the Holy Spirit, is from Satan, maybe then you can elaborate with scriptures the error you insinuate is occuring?
If you cannot with scriptures support your accusation, might you then be among those from Satan who accuse the brethren day and night before the Lord (Revelation 12:10)?

Revelation 12:10 [FONT=&quot]And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation[/FONT][FONT=&quot], and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.[/FONT]

 

[DevotiontoBible]

I've noticed many times on this and other Christian forums that when someone posts a perspective on what something in the bible says, and they support their perspective with numerous scriptures, that there are those who will contest these assessments, but will have absolutely no scriptures to back up their denial of the Word.
For the most part these deniers of the Word have this delusion (pretty picture), painted in their heads about what something in the bible represents, but they provide no cooborating scriptures to support their perspectives.
I've also noticed that after someone with supporting scriptural evidence for what something represents posts something that is contrary to these individuals unsupported opinions, the deluded will then join together bringing numerous posts in order to bury the post that is supported by scriptures.
Paul had the same type thorn by Satan in his side, to contest and bury the illumination provided him by the Holy Spirit.

2 Corinthians 12:7 [FONT=&quot]And lest I should be exalted above measure [/FONT][FONT=&quot]through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger [/FONT][FONT=&quot]of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.[/FONT]

A lot of people, most people, misinterpret Bible verses like Satan did. That isn't backing up with Scripture but abusing Scripture.