Why do we try if we only fail everyday

[atwhatcost]

"My suggestion for you is to get out of that dark room and go sit in the light."

What do you mean exactly?

"The truth is we cannot save ourselves which it seems you've arrived at"

Sorry you got that impression, but it's quite the opposite of what I'm trying to do.

We tend to speak a lot of Christianese -- it's our lingo. To me it feels quite a bit like trying to understand British English as an American. (I suspect the Brits think it's equally as hard to understand American English. lol) Most of the words are the same but one or two have different meanings, and it throws us. You just said something like that. "But it's quite the opposite of what I'm trying to do." I understand every word in that sentence, but I didn't understand what you meant.

Do you mind explaining what you meant in other words, so I can get what you mean? What are you trying to do and how are you doing that?

 

[mpaper345]

[SUP]23 [/SUP]For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God(Romans 3:23).

The Bible does not say that,for all have sinned,and continue to fall short of God's glory,as we will always be that way whether we come to God or not,for this scripture is speaking that all are sinners before they come to God,and repent of their sins,but after they are saved,they should not continue to fall short of the glory of God,as long as they are led of the Spirit,but of course they would continue to fall short of God's glory,if they have not come to God,and repented,but once they are saved they should cease from falling short of God's glory.

The reason all are sinners is because we are born not knowing God,therefore we will do wrong before we come to God,and repent,but when we are saved,and are led of the Spirit,we are not short of the glory of God,for we are doing what the Spirit wants,and not according to our flesh.

 

[Magenta]

Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."

 

[NoRedemptionBeyondRepair]

We tend to speak a lot of Christianese -- it's our lingo. To me it feels quite a bit like trying to understand British English as an American. (I suspect the Brits think it's equally as hard to understand American English. lol) Most of the words are the same but one or two have different meanings, and it throws us. You just said something like that. "But it's quite the opposite of what I'm trying to do." I understand every word in that sentence, but I didn't understand what you meant.

Do you mind explaining what you meant in other words, so I can get what you mean? What are you trying to do and how are you doing that?

Other person posted that I arrived at trying to save myself. Sorry if I read that wrong but to me it sounded like it implied I was trying to save myself instead of letting god. I'm not trying to do that. I am just trying to understand him and to serve him the best that I can. but I can't if I don't understand how it is others serve him and how he wants to be served. The more I read the more I get myself overwhelmed in a way. And a lot of words that you guys use in your post I don't understand them. Like letting the spirit lead you. Getting yourself out of the dark room and into the light. I grew up in a world where he didn't exist. I have never been to church. I have never read the bibles before this last year. So reading the bible and reading different forums, it helps but there's so much I just don't understand. I don't know how god works and walking in faith or forgiveness or any of that stuff but I am trying to understand the best that I can. So upon reading the comment of I have arrived at saving myself it kinda made me offended cause that's the opposite of what I feel like I have been trying to do. It would be so much easier if I could understand things better and all the Christian lingo. Feels like an entirely different world and language. Kinda like what you said. Especially reading some of y'all's deeper blogs and threads. Kinda feels like being dropped into the middle of the sea without a life vest and not being able to swim but trying to stay afloat. Like reaching a point of complete overwhelmingness and the feeling of drowning. i will say I haven't ever felt alone or stranded though in my efforts of choosing him. And that's a good feeling.

 

[NoRedemptionBeyondRepair]

[SUP]23 [/SUP]For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God(Romans 3:23).

The Bible does not say that,for all have sinned,and continue to fall short of God's glory,as we will always be that way whether we come to God or not,for this scripture is speaking that all are sinners before they come to God,and repent of their sins,but after they are saved,they should not continue to fall short of the glory of God,as long as they are led of the Spirit,but of course they would continue to fall short of God's glory,if they have not come to God,and repented,but once they are saved they should cease from falling short of God's glory.

The reason all are sinners is because we are born not knowing God,therefore we will do wrong before we come to God,and repent,but when we are saved,and are led of the Spirit,we are not short of the glory of God,for we are doing what the Spirit wants,and not according to our flesh.

In my bible it says "for all have sinned,and continue to fall short of God's glory" :\

If it's ok what does led of the spirit mean? what is the spirit exactly?
"We are doing what the spirit wants and not according to our flesh" I don't really understand that part. i am sorry

 

[atwhatcost]

Other person posted that I arrived at trying to save myself. Sorry if I read that wrong but to me it sounded like it implied I was trying to save myself instead of letting god. I'm not trying to do that. I am just trying to understand him and to serve him the best that I can. but I can't if I don't understand how it is others serve him and how he wants to be served. The more I read the more I get myself overwhelmed in a way. And a lot of words that you guys use in your post I don't understand them. Like letting the spirit lead you. Getting yourself out of the dark room and into the light. I grew up in a world where he didn't exist. I have never been to church. I have never read the bibles before this last year. So reading the bible and reading different forums, it helps but there's so much I just don't understand. I don't know how god works and walking in faith or forgiveness or any of that stuff but I am trying to understand the best that I can. So upon reading the comment of I have arrived at saving myself it kinda made me offended cause that's the opposite of what I feel like I have been trying to do. It would be so much easier if I could understand things better and all the Christian lingo. Feels like an entirely different world and language. Kinda like what you said. Especially reading some of y'all's deeper blogs and threads. Kinda feels like being dropped into the middle of the sea without a life vest and not being able to swim but trying to stay afloat. Like reaching a point of complete overwhelmingness and the feeling of drowning. i will say I haven't ever felt alone or stranded though in my efforts of choosing him. And that's a good feeling.

Not to fear, he was saying he believes you already realize you can't save yourself.

The truth is we cannot save ourselves which it seems you've arrived at, no matter how hard we try.

It seems he was right.

As for trying to understand it all, I still don't. And sometimes I feel dumb when folks say stuff I don't understand. Personally, I don't mind looking dumb and I'm nosy, so I ask. It's okay to ask.

Good news. Gods is your life jacket. We're just murky sometimes. lol

 

[atwhatcost]

In my bible it says "for all have sinned,and continue to fall short of God's glory" :\

If it's ok what does led of the spirit mean? what is the spirit exactly?
"We are doing what the spirit wants and not according to our flesh" I don't really understand that part. i am sorry

Which Bible version do you have? I haven't seen the "and continue" part in the ones I read. You're right. I suree seems like a downer to me.

 

[NoRedemptionBeyondRepair]

Which Bible version do you have? I haven't seen the "and continue" part in the ones I read. You're right. I suree seems like a downer to me.

International standard version. I got it at walmart.

 

[Dan58]

Because sometimes we don't fail everyday.

As long as we repent, God is faithful to forgive, even when we repeat the same sin.

All sin is not the same, some sins are far worse than others. In the old testament, God did not assign the same penalty for every sin, e.g; Murder carried the death penalty, theft did not. "For the punishment of the iniquity of the daughter of my people is greater than the punishment of the sin of Sodom" (Lamentations 4:6). And Jesus told Pilate; "He that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin" (John 19:11).

 

[atwhatcost]

International standard version. I got it at walmart.

Ha! I knew it had to be one I don't have. (I don't have most versions. lol)

It's not wrong. It's more discouraging than the verses that don't have the "and continue" in it. Then again, consider God's glory!

You've heard of that cloud/column of fire the Israelites followed in the wilderness? (If you haven't read it yet, I'm counting on you have watch The Ten Commandments -- an old movie by Cecile B. Demilles that used to come on TV either for Passover or aster.) That's something of God's glory that Man has seen. Or Genesis 1, where it tells of how God created the universe in six days. That's God's glory. Or the Ten Commandments themselves. God is like that. He does those things without even trying. He is those things. We cannot/will not even be close to that without his help. And not like pointing at words so we can see and read them kind of help. Ask and seek him every day and he will makes us more like him by actually keeping his Spirit in us so we can and want to be more and more like him.

But, you're not nuts. We won't get there in this life time. We won't walk without stumbling. We will walk better and better, when we do as he wants with his power in us. If he was expecting perfection from us, Jesus didn't have to come and die like that for us. We'd be able to do God's will without God. But he's in love with us knowing exactly who we are. Not because we deserve it, but because he's loving and loves us. That's what carries us. That's what drives us to want to follow him and love him back. God's glory? We won't get there is this lifetime, but he promised eternity.

When I was in college, I had to student teach. I was trying to learn how to teach high school students. They were 2-3 years younger than I was. (I never realized that when I was i high school. I always thought they were real teachers. OLD. lol) How likely are you to trust someone to teach you who is only 2-3 year older than you? Yeah! That's what terrified me to stand up in front of a class to teach the first time.

My answer was to pretend to be a teacher in front of them until they believed I was. It really didn't work that way. Ends up I had to believe I was a teacher to become one. We are God's kids. We do fall short, but we are his kids. He guides us. The more we believe that, the more we trust him to teach us how to walk right.

 

[atwhatcost]

Because sometimes we don't fail everyday.

As long as we repent, God is faithful to forgive, even when we repeat the same sin.

All sin is not the same, some sins are far worse than others. In the old testament, God did not assign the same penalty for every sin, e.g; Murder carried the death penalty, theft did not. "For the punishment of the iniquity of the daughter of my people is greater than the punishment of the sin of Sodom" (Lamentations 4:6). And Jesus told Pilate; "He that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin" (John 19:11).

Since God is saying "perfection. Holy. Pure," you''re wrong. We fail every day. Since Jesus said calling your brother a fool is murder, you're wrong on how bad the penalty is. The longer we're with God the more apparent our sin is. The only difference is how much we notice the sin no one else ever notices. We may stop pocketing a pack of candy from the store or a pen from work, but we notice that even spending time on the Internet when we should be earning our keep at work is still stealing. I know longer want to kill people even in my mind, but it's still sin when I consider my brother a fool. (Considering who one of my brothers is, that one haunts me.) He's after perfection. Just because we see ourselves less imperfect than a thief or murderer doesn't mean we're perfect. It just means we have a long ways to go to get to perfect.

With God's help, we learn and grow more like him. Less like us. The goal is inward and outward. It's only achievable by God in us. I've been at this for 43 years. I look at men who got closer than I have -- Peter, Paul, and, on bad days, Jonah! I want what they got -- more of God in me. He's the difference maker. For now? I look forward to the day when I honestly don't think my (blood) brother is a fool. lol

 

[oldthennew]

at,

don't be so hard on yourself, many times people are actually acting the 'fool'.
in the Bible it is often referring to just acting in a foolish manner, which we ourselves certainly act the fool
on many occasions... Christ Himself calls the rich man a 'fool'....which he most certainly is...

the sin lies in the 'motive'.... and the word Raca was a term used in the Jewish culture as a
term of reproach - in the footnotes of my Study Bible, the word was explained to me to mean
'graceless wretch' = this fits the bill of 'what NOT to call someone in any kind of statement,
because this is always God's Call for this definition...

'the fool who said in his heart that there is no God', is a fool = I would definitely feel free to use the scripture
to give him a wake-up-call, for he is definitely in need of it.....

PRO..29:11.
A fool uttereth all his mind: but a wise man keepeth it in till afterwards. This scripture could definitely
be put to use to instruct and teach someone that needs to learn discretion in a multitude of situations...

 

[Dan58]

Since God is saying "perfection. Holy. Pure," you''re wrong. We fail every day. Since Jesus said calling your brother a fool is murder, you're wrong on how bad the penalty is. The longer we're with God the more apparent our sin is. The only difference is how much we notice the sin no one else ever notices. We may stop pocketing a pack of candy from the store or a pen from work, but we notice that even spending time on the Internet when we should be earning our keep at work is still stealing. I know longer want to kill people even in my mind, but it's still sin when I consider my brother a fool. (Considering who one of my brothers is, that one haunts me.) He's after perfection. Just because we see ourselves less imperfect than a thief or murderer doesn't mean we're perfect. It just means we have a long ways to go to get to perfect.

With God's help, we learn and grow more like him. Less like us. The goal is inward and outward. It's only achievable by God in us. I've been at this for 43 years. I look at men who got closer than I have -- Peter, Paul, and, on bad days, Jonah! I want what they got -- more of God in me. He's the difference maker. For now? I look forward to the day when I honestly don't think my (blood) brother is a fool. lol

Well, we'll just have to disagree on this one.. While I believe "the wages of sin is death", I don't believe its something you need to do everyday. I personally sin a lot, but I've had days when I haven't. And in my opinion, if God looks at a kid who steals a candy bar the same way he does a cold blooded murderer, then God cannot be just or fair, because every man will not be righteously judged according to their deeds.

I am pleased to hear that you no longer want to kill people, your making progress, which puts me at ease and makes me feel safer . And just a thought, if your brother is actually a fool, there's no sin in discerning that fact. Jesus himself called the Scribes and Pharisees fools, hypocrites, snakes, etc. An untrue allegation or judgement is sinful, but nothing wrong with calling a spade a spade imo.

 

[atwhatcost]

at,

don't be so hard on yourself, many times people are actually acting the 'fool'.
in the Bible it is often referring to just acting in a foolish manner, which we ourselves certainly act the fool
on many occasions... Christ Himself calls the rich man a 'fool'....which he most certainly is...

the sin lies in the 'motive'.... and the word Raca was a term used in the Jewish culture as a
term of reproach - in the footnotes of my Study Bible, the word was explained to me to mean
'graceless wretch' = this fits the bill of 'what NOT to call someone in any kind of statement,
because this is always God's Call for this definition...

'the fool who said in his heart that there is no God', is a fool = I would definitely feel free to use the scripture
to give him a wake-up-call, for he is definitely in need of it.....

PRO..29:11.
A fool uttereth all his mind: but a wise man keepeth it in till afterwards. This scripture could definitely
be put to use to instruct and teach someone that needs to learn discretion in a multitude of situations...

Ah, my life. My brother comes under all definitions of "fool." He's an atheist. What drives me up a wall in talking to him about God is he simply won't talk about God. I don't want to murder him. I would like to give him a good shaking. ("Wake up and listen!" That kind of shaking. lol) Meanwhile, he is sure he has the answer to everything.

 

[atwhatcost]

Well, we'll just have to disagree on this one.. While I believe "the wages of sin is death", I don't believe its something you need to do everyday. I personally sin a lot, but I've had days when I haven't. And in my opinion, if God looks at a kid who steals a candy bar the same way he does a cold blooded murderer, then God cannot be just or fair, because every man will not be righteously judged according to their deeds.

I am pleased to hear that you no longer want to kill people, your making progress, which puts me at ease and makes me feel safer . And just a thought, if your brother is actually a fool, there's no sin in discerning that fact. Jesus himself called the Scribes and Pharisees fools, hypocrites, snakes, etc. An untrue allegation or judgement is sinful, but nothing wrong with calling a spade a spade imo.

If you don't think you sin every day, you're not very self-aware. How do the first three commandments hit you when you're stuck in gridlock late for an important appointment? I know I tend to think I'm more important than anyone else in those minutes.

<------laughing that its a guy, not a gal. lol