Why do you feel that homosexuality is wrong?

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God said it is wrong and God knows sin and that it is wrong,and God would not say it is a sin,if it was not wrong,and God can see more clearly that it is sin than we can,until we forsake sin and receive the Spirit,then we will understand how it is wrong,and it will seem detestable to us as it is to God.

God made a man to be with a woman,so to go against that is to go against how God wants His creation to behave.

But it also falls under lust of the flesh,because if God wants a man to be with a woman then there would have to be a natural attraction between a man and a woman,so for someone to go against that they would have to be following lust of the flesh.

Like the Bible says that if a man has long hair it is a shame to him,for even nature teaches that it is a shame for a man to have long hair.

Even nature teaches that it is a shame for a man to have long hair,so it is a set course that man should know not to have long hair,and to go against that would be going against something that is a set rule.

The same with a man and a woman being together,it is a set course,a natural attraction between a man and a woman,set by God,and to go against that is to go by the lust of the flesh,because it steps out of bounds of what is not defiled.

The same way that the Bible says that creation testifies that there is a God,because the invisible things of God are clearly seen by the things that are made,so the world has no excuse for not believing there is a God.

It is a set course,given by God,that creation testifies there is a God,and to not believe there is a God after observing creation,is to sin.

The Bible said after they knew God,they knew God,they did not want to believe it,but wanted to believe that things came about in a different way,like evolution.

Nobody starts out in this world believing in evolution,but it is a natural instinct to believe their is a higher intelligence out there,for it is a set course by God,as a testimony that He does exist.It is later on in life,after they knew God by creation,that they refused to believe it.

If you look before the theory of evolution came out,all nations believed there was a God,and some even said,the God of the sun,and one of the moon,and so on.They did not have the word of God,but they had the instinct to believe in a higher power because of observing creation,for it is a set course.

A man should have a natural attraction to a woman,and a woman should have a natural attraction to a man,for it is a set course,given by God,an instinct,and to go against that is to get involved in the lust of the flesh,which is sin.

The Bible says concerning the people that do not want to believe there is a God,after observing creation that testifies there is a God,if they stay on that course for a time,God will turn them to a reprobate mind,which means that God will not work with them anymore,and all they will see is fleshy ways,in which the Bible says there is no good thing that dwells in the flesh,for God gave us a choice and the flesh is our choice,so to go by the flesh is to sin.

You will read when God turns them to a reprobate mind,and all they see are the things of the flesh,God not working with them,that they are filled with all unrighteousness,and mentions that they turn homosexual as a result of only being able to see the ways of the flesh,so it proves that homosexuality is a fleshy pleasure and a sin,and they are filled with all unrighteousness and homosexuality is included in that.

But God is not a cruel God,and God gives everybody a chance to be with Him,for the Bible says what will you do in the day of visitation,so God visits everybody and touches their heart to be with Him,but what will they do,so it is a set course,that God will also visit everybody and touch their heart to be with Him,but will they do.

So there are some things set,like instinct,set by God,and to go against that would be a sin.

Homosexuality is a sin.

People without the Spirit might not understand,but if you are led by the Spirit you will understand for you will know how God labels it as sin.
 
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It is wrong on every level.... As Christians, the bible makes it TOO clear for us. Notice I said ....CHRISTIANS. The argument of being born a homosexual say's it all. No excuses will save them!!!! accept Christ Jesus!!!! Look at the laws these Sinful people
have brought in to confuses the children!!! Clearly nothing learnt since SODOM and Gomorrah.

One must be washed the the blood of the Lamb. And his Elect will be...before the foundations of the world.
 
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Questioning God's views of morality doesn't make me a troll. Just throwing that out there.

@mpaper345

>But it also falls under lust of the flesh,because if God wants a man to be with a woman then there would have to be a natural attraction between a man and a woman,so for someone to go against that they would have to be following lust of the flesh.

Sorry, I don't follow. What?

>Like the Bible says that if a man has long hair it is a shame to him,for even nature teaches that it is a shame for a man to have long hair.
>Even nature teaches that it is a shame for a man to have long hair,so it is a set course that man should know not to have long hair,and to go against that would be going against something that is a set rule.

Have you ever taken a look at a portrait of Jesus?

What about everything else said in Leviticus? And I mean everything.

>The same way that the Bible says that creation testifies that there is a God,because the invisible things of God are clearly seen by the things that are made,so the world has no excuse for not believing there is a God.

I'm sorry, but you lost me again. :(

>Nobody starts out in this world believing in evolution,but it is a natural instinct to believe their is a higher intelligence out there,for it is a set course by God,as a testimony that He does exist.It is later on in life,after they knew God by creation,that they refused to believe it.

No one starts off believing in either. Those views are instilled in us at an early age, usually birth. I'm sure there are tons of people out there would love to live in ignorance of how the universe was created (believe me, it would be a lot less stressing that way), but that luxury is rarely one that is given to us.

>A man should have a natural attraction to a woman,and a woman should have a natural attraction to a man,for it is a set course,given by God,an instinct,and to go against that is to get involved in the lust of the flesh,which is sin.

Then why are there gay people in the world? They didn't ask to be born gay, it just happened.

>But God is not a cruel God,and God gives everybody a chance to be with Him,for the Bible says what will you do in the day of visitation,so God visits everybody and touches their heart to be with Him,but what will they do,so it is a set course,that God will also visit everybody and touch their heart to be with Him,but will they do.

>What about Sodom and Gomorrah?

>People without the Spirit might not understand,but if you are led by the Spirit you will understand for you will know how God labels it as sin.

That didn't help me. =/
 
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It is wrong on every level.... As Christians, the bible makes it TOO clear for us. Notice I said ....CHRISTIANS. The argument of being born a homosexual say's it all. No excuses will save them!!!! accept Christ Jesus!!!! Look at the laws these Sinful people
have brought in to confuses the children!!! Clearly nothing learnt since SODOM and Gomorrah.

One must be washed the the blood of the Lamb. And his Elect will be...before the foundations of the world.
What does it say? How are you to blame if you're born gay? I'm sure if gay people had had the choice, they would've decided to be heterosexual.

The world is a horrible place for gay people.

How do you accept Christ if you're gay and he won't accept you?
 
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I have a hard time believing that homosexual behavior is genetic when it has not been present in every culture through out time.

-In 1952 ( way before it was being pushed in the face of every u.s. citizen) twenty-nine out of seventy-nine cultures surveyed by Ford and Beach, found homosexuality to be rare or absent.*

-In addition to the whole "anus wasn't meant for it" argument, there is no lubricant in the anus which means it can cause blisters on the penus and easily transmit viruses. High Risks of Anal Sex | The Daily News Global


1.) More homosexual behavior = more disease. (HIV, syphillis, hepatitis,)


--According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) both Hepatitis A and Hepatitis B disproportionately affects men who have sex with men (MSM). *1 & 2

--In NYC, out of a large increase in syphillis, 90% were male and the majority engaged in homosexual behavior. NEW YORK CITY SYPHILIS CASES DOUBLE IN FIRST QUARTER OF 2007

--In 2006, The Medical Journal of Australia stated the following: "High rates of intestinal parasitism are found in MSM [men who have sex with men] throughout the world." *3

--Regarding Homosexuality and health, of newly diagnosed HIV infections in the United States during the year 2003, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimated that about 63% were among men who were infected through sexual contact with other men. *4


1.↑ CDC DVH - Division of Viral Hepatitis Home Page
2. ↑ CDC DVH - Division of Viral Hepatitis Home Page
3. &#8593; <A class="external text" href="http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/185_08_161006/sta10803_fm.html" rel=nofollow>Letter to the editor - Locally acquired infection with Entamoeba histolytica in men who have sex with men in Australia, Damien J Stark, Rashmi Fotedar, John T Ellis and John L Harkness, MJA 2006; 185 (8): 417
4. &#8593; HIV Prevalence, Unrecognized Infection, and HIV Testing Among Men Who Have Sex with Men --- Five U.S. Cities, June 2004--April 2005


There are more statistics to support my point, but I think the truth is clearly seen: there is a higher rate of disease within the homosexual community.



2.) Homosexual households have a much higher rate of violence.

--According the American College of Pediatricians who cite several studies, "Violence among homosexual partners is two to three times more common than among married heterosexual couples."[5]

-- I also read (but I no longer have the link to the site) that lesbian households in particular experience a higher rate of physical abuse.

5. ACPeds - AMERICAN COLLEGE OF PEDIATRICIANS ®
* This was taken from an article online, I thought it was in conservapedia but I can't find the link now.


When it comes to homosexuality, it's a very complicated subject. But these are the reasons I find it hard to believe homosexuality is "natural" or "normal."

From my own personal experience, out of the handful of people I know who are gay, (all of whom I liked and would consider to be friends) all of them had very, very tramatic abuse stories. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that every person who considers him/herself to be gay has been abused, I'm just saying my own personal experience has been that there was extreme trama relating to sexual & gender identity.

So there are some reasons outside of the biblical argument.
 
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What does it say? How are you to blame if you're born gay? I'm sure if gay people had had the choice, they would've decided to be heterosexual.

The world is a horrible place for gay people.

How do you accept Christ if you're gay and he won't accept you?


As if you don't know...Sodom and Gomorrah??

Nobody is born gay, but born in sin.

People living a gay life style do have a choice, as we all do. Its just lust of the flesh. At what age did you know you where gay? without being told-taught or read books/magz or seen video of these sinful acts?


God wants you to believe his Word.
  1. You can believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, be baptized in his Name, and live a Christian life: with the reward of eternal life and friendship with God.
  2. Or, you can deny that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, refuse to be baptized in his Name, and disobey God's commandments: with the reward of judgement.
Accept Christ died for you:

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish,
but have everlasting life.
(John 3:16)

It is necessary to repent. This means to ask God's forgiveness for your past actions, and turn your heart in dedication to obey God's Word.

At the end of the day my brothers/sisters... its going to come down to two types...Those of God and thoses that are not!!! WOE!!!

God bless All and Good night.
 
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I take it you've met him?
Yes, I have a relationship with Him, and talk to him every day. But since you haven't you would understand that. I don't really get why you are on this forum, you ask questions but reject anything you don't agree with out of hand. You think that God isn't perfect, or even true to his word, so why are you asking people who believe in a God that you refuse so blatantly? If its just to poke at us or try to convince us we are wrong, please do us a favour and go harass some other group of people. Thanks
 

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See--this is my gripe with the argument against homosexuality: it's all based on the notion that God feels it's a sin. That isn't enough for me to question my beliefs on homosexuality. I understand that God, assuming he's out there, feels or felt that homosexuality is wrong, but by following his every word, we ignore the fact that the bible is the most archaic book in existence. As humans we're prone to change, why is it not safe to assume that God might have been wrong about homosexuality? Who's to say he hasn't changed? Why do we blindly follow his every word instead of forming opinions for ourselves? Did any of you hate or feel sorry for gay people before you picked up a bible? I know I didn't ask these questions before I read it. I saw them as humans, just like us. Now, I've tried telling myself that homosexuality is wrong on numerous occasions, but I can't agree with God--I won't support him on this. God makes mistakes just as we do, and I feel he's wrong.



Still not what I'm looking for. I know how God feels about homosexuality, I want to know your reasons for being against homosexuality. Also, everything in Leviticus is ridiculous. By this shady definition of mortality, we're all going to hell. People focus on the homosexuality discussed there, but doing that means you also subscribe to the notion that everything else said is there is agreeable as well, simply because God said it was so. I can't do that, and you can't pick and choose, either.

Don't have a variety of crops on the same field. (Leviticus 19:19)

Don't wear clothes made of more than one fabric (Leviticus 19:19)

Don't cut your hair nor shave. (Leviticus 19:27)

Any person who curseth his mother or father, must be killed. (Leviticus 20:9) Have you ever done that?

If a man cheats on his wife, or vise versa, both the man and the woman must die.

If a man sleeps with his father's wife... both him and his father's wife is to be put to death

If a man or woman has sex with an animal, both human and animal must be killed.

If a man has sex with a woman on her period, they are both to be "cut off from their people (Leviticus 20:18)

Psychics, wizards, and so on are to be stoned to death. (Leviticus 20:27)

If a priest's daughter is a whore, she is to be burnt at the stake
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Do you see what I'm getting at? Unless you agree with all of that, you can't logically bash homosexuality with that same argument. Notice how nobody else here started pulling out Leviticus quotes? At least use the New Testament.
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@ Adrianv125: This is the closest reply to what I was looking for--thank you! See--I'm inclined to disagree with your conscience argument. Firstly, we have no way of knowing whether or not animals have a conscience. Also, while your conscience tells you that homosexuality is wrong, mine tells me the opposite, that there is nothing wrong with it. You said it best with "sex is the biggest sign of intimacy" Why is it that intimacy should only be expressed between a man and a woman? Why can't two guys or two women express their love for each other as well? I suppose the argument is that the vagina was crafted for the penis? That argument holds water when you're explaining to someone why a man and a man can't have a biological child together, but it certainly doesn't hold any water against homosexual intimacy in general. Hell, the prostate (essentially the male g-spot) can be stimulated through the rectum. Gay people love each other and are capable of intimacy, just as we are.

You really, really lost me with your bestiality counterargument. I'm pretty sure bestiality hurts the animals that are being raped--plus we can't actually communicate with animals, which means they can't consent either. I'm finding it difficult to understand how you can argument that bestiality doesn't hurt animals. Do you even realize how ridiculous that and your comparison is?

Gay people are performing an act which expresses intimacy. The two people who're having sex are both consenting adults, and they aren't blatantly forcing down something down and jumping on top of it, like one would do if they decided to have sex with an animal. There's a huge difference between the two. One is expressing intimacy, the other entails holding down an animal and sexually assaulting it.

What? You make it sound as if reproduction is an obligation. I'm sure a lot of people want grandchildren, but I'm sure most have the sense not to assume that their children are going to have them. Not everyone wants children. Are these people sinners as well? And what about people who're infertile? Are they going against the existence of humanity as well? They didn't choose to be infertile, just as gay people didn't choose to be gay. See how that works?

Also, gay people can have children in a sense. Adoption and insemination are options as well. Being gay in this day and age doesn't mean you can't have children.

This all once again comes down to why it's wrong. God saying something is wrong doesn't make it so. Well, maybe to some people, but certainly not to me. I respect God and I'm fine with his beliefs, but I disagree with him on the subject of homosexuality. Who is being hurt here? The only victims here are the gay people who're being attacked for something out of their control. Yeah--that's right, I don't feel that homosexuality is a choice.
You keep saying God feels or felt this was wrong.
What you need to see is that God created and made this wrong.
This is a truth you need to obey.
I know it feels wrong, but there are many wrongs that have been done simply because of how some one felt.
Attacking and harming some one that is homosexual simply because some one feels it is wrong, is also being disobedient to God.
There are many that disobey, because it feels wrong or right, and because of this, many are harmed.
Saddly many equate saying somethig being wrong as a judgeing the person.
One should not judge any person.
One knows that this is a very difficult teaching to obey for some.
But the consiquences of being disobedience are far worse.
Instead of telling God how wrong you feel this is, ask God Our Father to help you recieve His understanding in this.
He is a loving father, that desires your love and trust in Him.
God Our Father sent Jesus so that all may be saved, He wants for you to find the peace and love that is His gift to you.There are many things that are difficult to recieve, many struggle with one kind of obedience or another.
But God Our Father will give you all you need to recieve any teaching.
Give Him the oppertunity to show you the peace that surpasses all understanding.
Dont refuse Him simply because you cannot understand.
Many times God Our Father has set upon me the undertsanding, peace, care and love to recieve His will.
Its not the crushing, hateful thing you might think. :)
I have seen the way of His love, and every time He has dazzled me with the greatness of this love. :)
He also has a great sence of humor as well.
Trust Him, and ask Him to help you with this, I know He will bring you all that you need.
In Jesus, God bless.
pickles
 
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correction: God did not create homosexuality. God created male and female and sex to be enjoyable within the confines of a man and woman within the covenant of marriage
Satan distorted and twisted it into lust, and introduced the unnatural and sinful passion of homosexuality.

everything that Yahweh has created, Satan has twisted it and created something else, evil, twisted, wicked, and sinful

you want new testament... okay...

Ephesians 5:5
Hebrews 13:4
Revelation 21:8
1 Corinthians 6:9
1 Timothy 1:7
Jude 1:7
Romans 1:24-27

the New Testament says it's a sin because it's sexual immorality

I go by the Bible because

1.) God never changes
2.) all scripture is inspired by God
 
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Theres plenty off people who think god is just on a huge power trip messing with everyones lives, and then throwing the occasionaly donut of happiness and hope (Im eating a donut right now) . And Id I were inclinded to believe In a higher being or Higher BeingS then I might agree with them.
 
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What does it say? How are you to blame if you're born gay? I'm sure if gay people had had the choice, they would've decided to be heterosexual.

The world is a horrible place for gay people.

How do you accept Christ if you're gay and he won't accept you?
[/QUOTE]Heterosexuals have to abstain from fornication & sexual immorality as well if they want salvation. It's not just gays that have to give it up. It's everyone.

Sodomy is on the rise, and it's not just happening in the gay community. Hetro's are doing it too. The act of sodomy is very wrong and comes with damnation. There are no blessings in it.

Just take care ok, and dont see us all as your enemy. These things have been revealed to us through Gods word and not man.
 
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Gods word written through men... Yeah cause thats not dodgy and open to personal opinion and editing at all is it -_- ?
 
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It's the same argument with every single one of you.

God said it so it must be true- you can't prove God said that.

Don't argue with God- is my job as a Christian to blindly follow God even if I disagree with him? That's ignorant.

You aren't allowed to disagree with God, it's a sin. Living in fear or forming my own opinions.
I'll take the latter option.

Bias studies from the 50s show that homosexuality wasn't prevalent in most cultures in the 50s.
I can't imagine why a study would conclude that. YouTube - Creepy 1950's Anti-Homosexual PSA Not at all.

God didn't create homosexuality, the devil did- Can you prove that? Either way being gay wasn't their choice.
How can you hold it against them?
 
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Just take care ok, and dont see us all as your enemy. These things have been revealed to us through Gods word and not man.

But God didn't write the bible.
 
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1.) More homosexual behavior = more disease. (HIV, syphillis, hepatitis,)


--According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) both Hepatitis A and Hepatitis B disproportionately affects men who have sex with men (MSM). *1 & 2

--In NYC, out of a large increase in syphillis, 90% were male and the majority engaged in homosexual behavior. NEW YORK CITY SYPHILIS CASES DOUBLE IN FIRST QUARTER OF 2007

--In 2006, The Medical Journal of Australia stated the following: "High rates of intestinal parasitism are found in MSM [men who have sex with men] throughout the world." *3

--Regarding Homosexuality and health, of newly diagnosed HIV infections in the United States during the year 2003, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimated that about 63% were among men who were infected through sexual contact with other men. *4


1.&#8593; CDC DVH - Division of Viral Hepatitis Home Page
2. &#8593; CDC DVH - Division of Viral Hepatitis Home Page
3. &#8593; <A class="external text" href="http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/185_08_161006/sta10803_fm.html" rel=nofollow>Letter to the editor - Locally acquired infection with Entamoeba histolytica in men who have sex with men in Australia, Damien J Stark, Rashmi Fotedar, John T Ellis and John L Harkness, MJA 2006; 185 (8): 417
4. &#8593; HIV Prevalence, Unrecognized Infection, and HIV Testing Among Men Who Have Sex with Men --- Five U.S. Cities, June 2004--April 2005


There are more statistics to support my point, but I think the truth is clearly seen: there is a higher rate of disease within the homosexual community.
So...... Lesbianism ftw? I mean Lesbianism has gotta be safer than straight sex for those diseases right?
 
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@ pickles

>You keep saying God feels or felt this was wrong.
What you need to see is that God created and made this wrong.

So, he created gay people for the sole purpose of being societies punching bag?
That doesn't actually make any sense at all. Why would God create innocent people, use the bible to attach a stigma to them, and then sit around watching as they're persecuted for something he's responsible for?

>He also has a great sence of humor as well.

Apparently! However, this unfathomable humor God has seems to escape me.
The standard Sodom and Gomorrah argument kills it for me.

>This is a truth you need to obey

Why? I was born with free will for a reason. I don't believe God wanted me to be a mindless slave to his every (and most likely misinterpreted) word.

>I know it feels wrong, but there are many wrongs that have been done simply because of how some one felt.

That doesn't actually make any sense.

Intolerance feels wrong because it in fact is wrong. But it's morally acceptable because God said it was ok to be ignorant?


>Attacking and harming some one that is homosexual simply because some one feels it is wrong, is also being disobedient to God.

Sodom and Gomorrah.

>There are many that disobey, because it feels wrong or right, and because of this, many are harmed.
Saddly many equate saying somethig being wrong as a judgeing the person.
One should not judge any person.

But the bible labels those who're gay as sinners.

How is that not making a moral judgement?

>Instead of telling God how wrong you feel this is, ask God Our Father to help you recieve His understanding in this.

He's not answering my calls.

Seriously, I'd like to know why he allegedly feels this way. Moreover, I'd like to know why the people here feel this way.
 
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@ pickles

>You keep saying God feels or felt this was wrong.
What you need to see is that God created and made this wrong.

So, he created gay people for the sole purpose of being societies punching bag?
That doesn't actually make any sense at all. Why would God create innocent people, use the bible to attach a stigma to them, and then sit around watching as they're persecuted for something he's responsible for?

>He also has a great sence of humor as well.

Apparently! However, this unfathomable humor God has seems to escape me.
The standard Sodom and Gomorrah argument kills it for me.

>This is a truth you need to obey

Why? I was born with free will for a reason. I don't believe God wanted me to be a mindless slave to his every (and most likely misinterpreted) word.

>I know it feels wrong, but there are many wrongs that have been done simply because of how some one felt.

That doesn't actually make any sense.

Intolerance feels wrong because it in fact is wrong. But it's morally acceptable because God said it was ok to be ignorant?


>Attacking and harming some one that is homosexual simply because some one feels it is wrong, is also being disobedient to God.

Sodom and Gomorrah.

>There are many that disobey, because it feels wrong or right, and because of this, many are harmed.
Saddly many equate saying somethig being wrong as a judgeing the person.
One should not judge any person.

But the bible labels those who're gay as sinners.

How is that not making a moral judgement?

>Instead of telling God how wrong you feel this is, ask God Our Father to help you recieve His understanding in this.

He's not answering my calls.

Seriously, I'd like to know why he allegedly feels this way. Moreover, I'd like to know why the people here feel this way.

God did not create gay people any more than he created fornicators or adulterers. It is we who chose how we want to have sex and who we want to have sex with. Not God.
 
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But God didn't write the bible.
[/QUOTE] Yes he did. He didn't leave us with nothing. He was behind every single word written in there. It's got his signature all over it. It's our instruction for righteousness.

Look if you wanna go ahead and be gay, then do it. No one can stop you. It's your choice. You cant say that you never knew it was wrong or no-one warned you. If you wanna say things on this site against our God then your going to upset a few because we live and breathe for him. You are accountable for your words and if your looking for justification or back-up, then you're not going to get it here. We can only help people that want to come to God for help. If your looking for help then go to a gay site. They will back you up and make you feel good about yourself. Dont play with us. Maybe one day you will change your views. Who knows. The seed is planted, one day it might sprout. We never say never.

Just be safe ok and have a nice life. Dont do anything stupid. A lot of people accept gays. You will not be alone out there in the world. There are lots of groups, but be careful.
 
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I know that my message is rejected by most here on this site because it is free and truly worthless to the world, but I will still speak.

Does a gay person have to STOP being gay in order to obtain?

How could one believe this and still claim to be in Christ where there is NEITHER MALE OR FEMALE?

Why believe that God doesn't "make" gay people and believe that no one knows the spirit of a man except THAT MAN?