Why doesn't God give the fallen angels a chance to repent?

[DaivdM]

Angels are not spirit, fallen angels corrupt the spirit of man through deception.
God is Spirit as man was made in God's Image.
That image is not flesh but spirit. Thus Christ Jesus being filled with the Spirit of God during John the Baptist's baptism. The Spirit of Lord God Almighty filled Him with His presence. Father, Son, and Holy Ghost abide. And these three are one.

If you believe fallen angels dont have a chance, ok we are good... if they are not spirit, ok, i made a mistake..
But yes they are sppirit, they might now be a spirit, but they are spirit.. because eveything that does not die ever or can never stop existing are spirit, and only spirits.. everything else will pass away..

 

[Consumed]

I once pondered the same question about the apostate angels being thrown out. I came to the conclusion that God is merciful, His goodness endured forever but as it is here repentance would have been offered to lucifer and his brood that he deceived. I don't think it all happened in say a week or a year, who knows but see it as their would have been the grace offered to repent, they chose badly the ones cast out.

Love how Jesus says "like a flash of lightning, gone"
They know their fate and in a last ditch to get back at God they want as many in hell with them.

How stupid is Satan thinking he ever had a chance to reign in heaven.

 

[AnandaHya]

If you believe fallen angels dont have a chance, ok we are good... if they are not spirit, ok, i made a mistake..
But yes they are sppirit, they might now be a spirit, but they are spirit.. because eveything that does not die ever or can never stop existing are spirit, and only spirits.. everything else will pass away..

???

Psalm 104:4
Who makes His angels spirits,His ministers a flame of fire

 

[AnandaHya]

The Bible does not specifically address the issue of God's giving the fallen angels an opportunity to repent, but we do know principles and can extrapolate from them an educated guess. First, Satan (Lucifer) was one of the highest angels, perhaps the highest ( Ezekiel 28:14 ). Lucifer—and all the angels—were continually in God’s presence and had a complete knowledge of the glory of God, unobstructed by the things that keep mankind from knowing Him fully. Therefore, they had no excuse for rebelling against God and turning away from Him. For Lucifer and the other angels to rebel despite what they knew about God is the utmost of evil, and this most likely results in God's not giving Satan and the other fallen angels the opportunity to repent.

Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. ( Ezekiel 28:14 )

Second, God did not provide a plan of redemption for the angels as He did for mankind. The fall of the human race necessitated an atoning sacrifice for sin, and God provided that sacrifice in Jesus Christ. In that plan of redemption, God redeemed the human race and brought glory to Himself for His grace, love and mercy.

No such sacrifice was planned for the angels. In addition, God referred to those angels who remain faithful to Him as His “elect angels” ( 1 Timothy 5:21 ) , and we know from the biblical doctrine of election that those whom God elects to salvation will be saved, and nothing can separate them from God’s love ( Romans 8:38-39 ). Clearly, those angels who rebelled were not “elect angels” of God.

I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality. ( 1 Timothy 5:21 )

For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. ( Romans 8:38-39 )

Finally, the Bible gives us no reason to believe they would repent even if God did give them the chance ( 1 Peter 5:8 ). The fallen angels seem completely devoted to opposing God and attacking God's people. The Bible tells us that one of the things God judges on is how much knowledge of Him a person possesses ( Luke 12:48 ). The fallen angels, then, are even much more deserving of God’s wrath because of the exceedingly great knowledge they had about God.

Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: ( 1 Peter 5:8 )

But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more. ( Luke 12:48 )

I believe God gave them opportunity to repent and they rejected Him and His correction. Apostasy is not forgiven in angels or men.

 

[Fencepost]

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Psalm 104:4
Who makes His angels spirits,His ministers a flame of fire

Thanks for this. So angels are spirits.

1 Peter chapter 2 is very enlighting in this regard.

thanks again AnandaHya

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I believe God gave them opportunity to repent and they rejected Him and His correction. Apostasy is not forgiven in angels or men.

I would doubt this is true. Repentance by itself will save no one, natural or spiritual. All sin against God leads to death, this would include death for spiritual as well as physical beings. The only way they could be forgiven is to be redeemed by God like Christ did for us. we can only speculate why God did not offer them this.

I think the difference between us and them is they spent an unknown number of years with God in heaven and the spiritual rhelm. They knew things about God we will not know until we get there. when they sinned they had no out. Where as we were limited to the physical rhelm. Not saying we had an excuse. we didn't. but we di dnot know God as they did.

 

[AnandaHya]

Hebrews 10
26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.

Angels had knowledge of the truth but they willfully sinned and turned from God and rejected Him. IF men do the same then they should expect JUDGEMENT for the Blood of Christ no longer covers them for they have rejected GOD and the conviction of the HOLY SPIRIT.

To willfully sin is to be told that what you do in SINFUL but to say to the HOLY SPIRIT that no its not and to refuse to repent and turn from it but to declare it is your right to disobey and follow your own wishes and whims.

James 4:3-5
New King James Version (NKJV)
3 You ask and do not receive, because you ask amiss, that you may spend it on your pleasures. 4 Adulterers and[a] adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. 5 Or do you think that the Scripture says in vain, “The Spirit who dwells in us yearns jealously”?

notice this is speaking to people who HAVE the Holy Spirit dwelling in them?

 

[loveschild]

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Psalm 104:4
Who makes His angels spirits,His ministers a flame of fire

Good job AnandaHya!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hebrews 10
26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.

Angels had knowledge of the truth but they willfully sinned and turned from God and rejected Him. IF men do the same then they should expect JUDGEMENT for the Blood of Christ no longer covers them for they have rejected GOD and the conviction of the HOLY SPIRIT.

To willfully sin is to be told that what you do in SINFUL but to say to the HOLY SPIRIT that no its not and to refuse to repent and turn from it but to declare it is your right to disobey and follow your own wishes and whims.

James 4:3-5
New King James Version (NKJV)
3 You ask and do not receive, because you ask amiss, that you may spend it on your pleasures. 4 Adulterers and[a] adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. 5 Or do you think that the Scripture says in vain, “The Spirit who dwells in us yearns jealously”?

notice this is speaking to people who HAVE the Holy Spirit dwelling in them?

so we are under law not under grace? when did this happen?

Both heb 10 and james is talking in these passages about people who have a "claimed faith" but truely have no faith at all..

Look at what hebrews says.,

29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,”[e] says the Lord.[f] And again, “The LORD will judge His people.”[g] 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

and later:

39 But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul.

Our belief, our faith is an actual saving faith. Not like those who fall back to perdition. because they heard. but they did not really believe.

Same with James He calls them hearers of the word. but not doers. Neither author is saying one can lose salvation. they are speaking to those who claim to have salvation. But do not have "saving faith" He is not talking to people who have the HS. But people who claim to have the HS

 

[AnandaHya]

so we are under law not under grace? when did this happen?

Both heb 10 and james is talking in these passages about people who have a "claimed faith" but truely have no faith at all..

it says the Spirit in US, therefore the people who is spoken to have been given the seed but it did not take root.

where did you get the "we are under law not under grace" comment?

"claimed faith"?

they have been given the Word of God but because of three conditions it did not bear fruit in their lives:

1. Satan came and stole it
2. Pride harden their heart and made it too stony (faith in the idea and not the person of Christ)
3. they committed adultery with the world and the thorns choked out His seed(doublemindness)

what is the definition of Apostasy EG?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

it says the Spirit in US, therefore the people who is spoken to have been given the seed but it did not take root.

where did you get the "we are under law not under grace" comment?

"claimed faith"?

they have been given the Word of God but because of three conditions it did not bear fruit in their lives:

1. Satan came and stole it
2. Pride harden their heart and made it too stony (faith in the idea and not the person of Christ)
3. they committed adultery with the world and the thorns choked out His seed(doublemindness)

what is the definition of Apostasy EG?

No it does not. It says. THE SCRIPTURE SAYS. Quoting scripture. and making a claim that the spirit is in them are two different things.

James is written to expose a false gospel of licentiousness. Those are the people he is talking about. People who claim to have faith . but have no works.

I asked about law. because that is where you are putting us in your claims. The law says if you sin, Death follows. and unless a sacrifice is given. the sin is not forgiven.

As I showed in Hebrews. WE ARE NOT OF THEM. OUR FAITH IS SAVING.

as for the three you posted.

One who has true saving faith will do non of them. Our faith which is pure and has the power of salvation can not be broken.

 

[AnandaHya]

what is the definition of Apostasy EG?

 

[jonathanbchristian]

This is not against the OP but I think we should all remember not to intrude into things about angels.

Colosians 2:18 "Let no man beguile you of your reward in a volutary humility and worshiping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,"

 

[DaivdM]

???

Psalm 104:4
Who makes His angels spirits,His ministers a flame of fire

Sorry, my English is no good...
hahaha..

What I was trying to say was... Angels are not a spirit..... But they are spirits as spiritual creature

 

[eternally-gratefull]

what is the definition of Apostasy EG?

what does that have to do with anything? Is salvation eternal based on faith. or not eternal based on works??

your gonna ignor the scripture I have you which shows the author of hebrews was telling them they were not a part of this group because they had saving faiht. and james when he said if we SAY WE HAVE FAITH, but HAVE NO WORKS. our faith is dead. tell me, can a person with dead faith be saved?

 

[Fencepost]

<Raises hand>
since none else will answer
Apostacy:

Deuteronmy 13:6-8 KJV

"If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son, or your daughter, or the wife of your bosom, or your friend, which is as your own soul, entice you secrectly saying Let us go and serve other gods, which you have not known, you, nor your fathers;

Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, near to you, or far off from you, from the one end pf the earth even to the other end of the earth;

You shall not consent to him, nor hearken to him; neither shall your eye pity him; neither shall you spare, neither shall you conceal him:"

Wow!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

<Raises hand>
since none else will answer
Apostacy:

Deuteronmy 13:6-8 KJV

"If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son, or your daughter, or the wife of your bosom, or your friend, which is as your own soul, entice you secrectly saying Let us go and serve other gods, which you have not known, you, nor your fathers;

Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, near to you, or far off from you, from the one end pf the earth even to the other end of the earth;

You shall not consent to him, nor hearken to him; neither shall your eye pity him; neither shall you spare, neither shall you conceal him:"

Wow!

yep. and what would they thus be? is not a person in apsotacy and antichrist. because he now denies Christ and worhsips other gods?

What does john say about these people?

1 John 2: 18 - 19 : Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

these people do not lose salvation. They were never of us, they never had salvation.

 

[DaivdM]

yep. and what would they thus be? is not a person in apsotacy and antichrist. because he now denies Christ and worhsips other gods?

What does john say about these people?

1 John 2: 18 - 19 : Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

these people do not lose salvation. They were never of us, they never had salvation.

i have not read the other post of you.. But, what r u talking about?
Pre-triber? Mid-triber or post-triber?

And if is not about The rapture.. what are you talking about

 

[eternally-gratefull]

i have not read the other post of you.. But, what r u talking about?
Pre-triber? Mid-triber or post-triber?

And if is not about The rapture.. what are you talking about

I am talking about eternal security vs God taking his gift back. Nothing to do with anything else.

 

[Fencepost]

I am talking about eternal security vs God taking his gift back. Nothing to do with anything else.

Check your bible:

Jeremiah 18:23 KJV "Yet, Lord, you know all their councel against me to slay me: forgive not their iniquity, neither blot out their sin from Your sight, but let them be

overthrown before You; and deal thus with them in the time of Your anger."

Psalm 69:28 KJV "Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous."

Revelations 3:1-6 KJV Jesus says "AND to the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things says He that has the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know your works, that you have a name that you live, and are dead.

Be watchful, and strengethen the things that remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found your works perfect before God.

Remember therefore how you have recieved and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore you shall not watch, I will come on you as a thief, and you shall not know what hour I will come upon you.

You have a few names even in Sar'dis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.

He that overcomes, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before My Father, and before His angels.

he that has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches."