Why I could personally never chose to be Catholic

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pottersclay

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Nehemiah6 said:
There was no reference to the Psalms thus far. It was all about David dancing. Where is this dancing recommended in the NT? However we do read about Psalms, and hymns, and spiritual songs.
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I think we should be more like David. Imo there is no such thing as conservative worship. Im not talking about in unruly behavior but to express your feelings. yeah let the spirit move ya. Our Lord does great and wonderful things. Celebrate give thanks, appreciate, we are not robots ya know.
Be glad be joyful do ya really think when Jesus sang the pslams he didn't bust a move or two according to his day?
 
Katy-follower

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For anyone interested, here are the manmade doctrines and traditions introduced into the catholic church over the years. Forever changing :eek: .... dates are approximate.


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[TD]OF ALL THE HUMAN TRADITIONS taught and practiced by the Roman Catholic Church, which are contrary to the Bible, the most ancient are the prayers for the dead and the sign of the Cross. Both began 300 years after Christ.[/TD]
[TD]310[/TD]
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[TD]Wax Candles introduced in church[/TD]
[TD]320[/TD]
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[TD]Veneration of angels and dead saints[/TD]
[TD]375[/TD]
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[TD]The Mass, as a daily celebration, adopted[/TD]
[TD]394[/TD]
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[TD]The worship of Mary, the mother of Jesus, and the use of the term, "Mother of God", as applied to her, originated in the Council of Ephesus[/TD]
[TD]431[/TD]
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[TD]Priests began to dress differently from the laity[/TD]
[TD]500[/TD]
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[TD]Extreme Unction[/TD]
[TD]526[/TD]
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[TD]The doctrine of Purgatory was first established by Gregory the Great[/TD]
[TD]593[/TD]
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[TD]The Latin language, as the language of prayer and worship in churches, was also imposed by Pope Gregory I. 600 years after Christ

The Word of God forbids praying and teaching in an unknown tongue. (1st Corinthians 14:9).[/TD]
[TD]600[/TD]
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[TD]The Bible teaches that we pray to God alone. In the primitive church never were prayers directed to Mary, or to dead saints. This practice began in the Roman Church.

(Matthew 11:28; Luke 1:46; Acts 10:25-26; 14:14-18)[/TD]
[TD]600[/TD]
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[TD]The Papacy is of pagan origin. The title of pope or universal bishop, was first given to the bishop of Rome by the wicked emperor Phocas.

This he did to spite Bishop Ciriacus of Constantinople, who had justly excommunicated him for his having caused the assassination of his predecessor emperor Mauritius. Gregory 1, then bishop of Rome, refused the title, but his successor, Boniface III, first assumed title "pope."

Jesus did not appoint Peter to the headship of the apostles and forbade any such notion. (Luke 22:24-26; Ephesians 1:22-23; Colossians 1:18; 1st Corinthians 3:11).

Note: Nor is there any mention in Scripture, nor in history, that Peter ever was in Rome, much less that he was pope there for 25 years; Clement, 3rd bishop of Rome, remarks that "there is no real 1st century evidence that Peter ever was in Rome."[/TD]
[TD]610[/TD]
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[TD]The kissing of the Pope's feet

It had been a pagan custom to kiss the feet of emperors. The Word of God forbids such practices. (Read Acts 10:25-26; Revelation 19:10; 22:9).[/TD]
[TD]709[/TD]
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[TD]The Temporal power of the Popes

When Pepin, the usurper of the throne of France, descended into Italy, called by Pope Stephen II, to war against the Italian Lombards, he defeated them and gave the city of Rome and surrounding territory to the pope. Jesus expressly forbade such a thing, and He himself refused worldly kingship. (Read Matthew 4:8-9; 20:25-26; John 18:38).[/TD]
[TD]750[/TD]
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[TD]Worship of the cross, images and relics was authorized

This was by order of Dowager Empress Irene of Constantinople, who first caused to pluck the eyes of her own son, Constantine VI, and then called a church council at the request of Hadrian I, pope of Rome at that time.

Such practice is called simply IDOLATRY in the Bible, and is severely condemned. (Read Exodus 20:4; 3:17; Deuteronomy 27:15; Psalm 115).[/TD]
[TD]788[/TD]
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[TD]Holy Water, mixed with a pinch of salt and blessed by the priest, was authorized[/TD]
[TD]850[/TD]
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[TD]The veneration of St. Joseph began[/TD]
[TD]890[/TD]
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[TD]The baptism of bells was instituted by Pope John XIV[/TD]
[TD]965[/TD]
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[TD]Canonization of dead saints, first by Pope John XV

Every believer and follower of Christ is called saint in the Bible. (Read Romans 1:7; 1st Colossians 1:2).[/TD]
[TD]995[/TD]
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[TD]Fasting on Fridays and during Lent were imposed

Imposed by popes said to be interested in the commerce of fish. (Bull, or permit to eat meat), some authorities say, began in the year 700. This is against the plain teaching of the Bible. (Read Matthew 15:10; 1st Corinthians 10:25; 1st Timothy 4:1-3).[/TD]
[TD]998[/TD]
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[TD]The Mass was developed gradually as a sacrifice; attendance made obligatory in the 11th century.

The Bible teaches that the sacrifice of Christ was offered once and for all, and is not to be repeated, but only commemorated in the Lord's Supper. (Read Hebrews 7:27; 9:26-28; 10:10-14).[/TD]
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[TD]The celibacy of the priesthood was decreed by Pope Hildebrand, Boniface VII

Jesus imposed no such rule, nor did any of the apostles. On the contrary, St. Peter was a married man, and St. Paul says that bishops were to have wife and children. (Read 1st Timothy 3:2,5, and 12; Matthew 8:14-15).[/TD]
[TD]1079[/TD]
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[TD="width: 1224"]The Rosary, or prayer beads was introduced by Peter the Hermit, in the year 1090. Copied from Hindus and Mohammedans

The counting of prayers is a pagan practice and is expressly condemned by Christ. (Matthew 6:5-13).[/TD]
[TD="width: 62"]1090[/TD]
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[TD="width: 1224"]The Inquisition of heretics was instituted by the Council of Verona in the year 1184. Jesus never taught the use of force to spread His religion[/TD]
[TD="width: 62"]1184[/TD]
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[TD="width: 1224"]The sale of Indulgences, commonly regarded as a purchase of forgiveness and a permit to indulge in sin.

Christianity, as taught in the Bible, condemns such a traffic and it was the protest against this traffic that brought on the Protestant Reformation in the 16th century.[/TD]
[TD="width: 62"]1190[/TD]
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[TD="width: 1224"]The dogma of Transubstantiation was decreed by Pope Innocent III, in the year

By this doctrine the priest pretends to perform a daily miracle by changing a wafer into the body of Christ, and then he pretends to eat Him alive in the presence of his people during Mass. The Bible condemns such absurdities; for the Lord's Supper is simply a memorial of the sacrifice of Christ. The spiritual presence of Christ is implied in the Lord's Supper. (Read Luke 22:19-20; John 6:35; 1st Corinthians 11:26).[/TD]
[TD="width: 62"]1215[/TD]
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[TD="width: 1224"]Confession of sin to the priest at least once a year was instituted by Pope Innocent III., in the Lateran Council

The Bible commands us to confess our sins direct to God. (Read Psalm 51:1-10; Luke 7:48; 15:21; 1st John 1:8-9).[/TD]
[TD="width: 62"]1215[/TD]
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[TD="width: 1224"]The adoration of the wafer (Host), was decreed by Pope Honorius

So the Roman Church worships a God made by human hands. This is plain idolatry and absolutely contrary to the spirit of the Gospel. (Read John 4:24).[/TD]
[TD="width: 62"]1220[/TD]
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[TD="width: 1224"]The Bible forbidden to laymen and placed in the Index of forbidden books by the Council of Valencia

Jesus commanded that the Scriptures should be read by all. (John 5:39; 1st Timothy 3:15-17).[/TD]
[TD="width: 62"]1229[/TD]
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[TD="width: 1224"]The Scapular was invented by Simon Stock, and English monk

It is a piece of brown cloth, with the picture of the Virgin and supposed to contain supernatural virtue to protect from all dangers those who wear it on naked skin. This is fetishism.[/TD]
[TD="width: 62"]1287[/TD]
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[TD="width: 1224"]The Roman Church forbade the cup to the laity, by instituting the communion of one kind in the Council of Constance

The Bible commands us to celebrate the Lord's Supper with unleavened bread and the fruit of the vine. (Read Matthew 26:27; 1st Corinthians 11:26-29).[/TD]
[TD="width: 62"]1414[/TD]
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[TD="width: 1224"]The doctrine of Purgatory was proclaimed as a dogma of faith by Council of Florence

There is not one word in the Bible that would teach the purgatory of priests. The blood of Jesus Christ cleanseth us from all sins. (Read 1st John 1:7-9; 2:1-2; John 5:24; Romans 8:1).[/TD]
[TD="width: 62"]1439[/TD]
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[TD="width: 1224"]The doctrine of 7 Sacraments affirmed

The Bible says that Christ instituted only two ordinances, Baptism and the Lord's Supper. (Read Matthew 28:19-20; 26:26-28).[/TD]
[TD="width: 62"]1439[/TD]
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[TD="width: 1224"]The Ave Maria, part of the last

It was completed 50 years afterward and finally approved by Pope Sixtus V, at the end of the 16th century.[/TD]
[TD="width: 62"]1508[/TD]
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[TD="width: 1224"]The Council of Trent, held in the year 1545, declared that Tradition is of equal authority with the Bible

By tradition is meant human teachings. The Pharisees believed the same way, and Jesus bitterly condemned them, for by teaching human tradition, they nullified the commandments of God. (Read Mark 7:7-13; Colossians 2:8; Revelation 22:18).[/TD]
[TD="width: 62"]1545[/TD]
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[TD="width: 1224"]The apocryphal books were added to the Bible also by the Council of Trent

These books were not recognized as canonical by the Jewish Church. (See Revelation 22:8-9).[/TD]
[TD="width: 62"]1546[/TD]
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[TD="width: 1224"]The Creed of Pope Pius IV was imposed as the official creed 1560 years after Christ and the apostles

True Christians retain the Holy Scriptures as their creed. Hence their creed is 1500 years older than the creed of Roman Catholics. (Read Galatians 1:8).[/TD]
[TD="width: 62"]1560[/TD]
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[TD="width: 1224"]The Immaculate Conception of the Virgin Mary was proclaimed by Pope Pius IX

The Bible states that all men, with the sole exception of Christ, are sinners. Mary herself had need of a Savior. (Read Romans 3:23; 5:12; Psalm 51:5; Luke 1:30,46,47).[/TD]
[TD="width: 62"]1834[/TD]
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[TD="width: 1224"]In the year 1870 after Christ, Pope Pius IX proclaimed the dogma of Papal Infallibility

This is a blasphemy and the sign of the apostasy and of the antichrist predicted by St. Paul. (Read 2nd Thessalonians 2:2-12; Revelation 17:1-9; 13:5-8,18).

Many Bible students see the number of the beast (Rev. 13:18), 666 in the Roman letters of the Pope's title: "VICARIVS FILII DEI." -- V-5, I-1; C-100, I-1; V-S, I-1; L-50, I-1; I-1; D-500, I-l — Total, 666.[/TD]
[TD="width: 62"]1870[/TD]
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[TD="width: 1224"]Pope Plus X, in the year 1907, condemned together with "Modernism", all the discoveries of modern science which are not approved by the Church

Pius IX had done the same thing in the Syllabus of 1864.[/TD]
[TD="width: 62"]1907[/TD]
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[TD="width: 1224"]In the year 1930 Pius XI, condemned the Public Schools[/TD]
[TD="width: 62"]1930[/TD]
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[TD="width: 1224"]In the year 1931 the same pope Pius XI, reaffirmed the doctrine that Mary is "the Mother of God"

This doctrine was first invented by the Council of Ephesus in the year 431. This is a heresy contrary by Mary's own words. (Read Luke 1:46-49; John 2: l-5).[/TD]
[TD="width: 62"]1931[/TD]
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[TD="width: 1224"]In the year 1950 the last dogma was proclaimed by Pope Pius XII, the Assumption of the Virgin Mary[/TD]
[TD="width: 62"]1950[/TD]
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DJ2

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Lucy-Pevensie said:
You have some problems. I never read David as "half naked" YOU DID. I read that David was wearing a linen Ephod. THE DANCING was my focus. The Holy Spirit has been present working with people since Adam. If you want to dismiss that it's up to you. You can't push off your own religious restrictions on everyone else.
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Name one church that does what David did in those verses, just one.
 
Lucy-Pevensie

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DJ2 said:
Name one church that does what David did in those verses, just one.
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You aren't making any sense to me. I suggest you work out your own problems for yourself. If you wish to quench The Holy Spirit that's your decision for you.
 
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I came from a catholic background. Once I started my own research and studies, one can have a field day exposing what the catholic concept is really about. For starters, the catholic doctrine excels in worshiping of statues.
 
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pottersclay

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Praise to God for His Salvation and Judgment Praise the Lord! Sing to the Lord a new song, And His praise in the assembly of saints. Let Israel rejoice in their Maker; Let the children of Zion be joyful in their King. Let them praise His name with the dance; Let them sing praises to Him with the timbrel and harp. For the Lord takes pleasure in His people; He will beautify the humble with salvation. Let the saints be joyful in glory; Let them sing aloud on their beds. Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, And a two-edged sword in their hand, To execute vengeance on the nations, And punishments on the peoples; To bind their kings with chains, And their nobles with fetters of iron; To execute on them the written judgment— This honor have all His saints. Praise the Lord!


If there not dancing .....maybe they should:eek:
 
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Reasons why I could personally never chose to be Catholic:
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Main reason is I have topper phobia.....fear of big hats...:rolleyes:
 
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