Why is Moses not in the lineage of Christ?

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Nehemiah6

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Lineages seem to confuse people.
And they ought not to do so. You will notice as you go through the Bible that God caused men to maintain very careful records about lineages, since they were critical for God's purposes. In order to not be confused we need to simply look at the main individuals in the lineage of Christ:

ADAM--->NOAH--->SHEM---> ABRAHAM---> ISAAC--->JACOB--->JUDAH--->DAVID--->SOLOMON--->JESUS

God chose the tribe of Judah to bring the Savior into Israel, since that is the "royal line". So both Mary and Joseph traced their lineage back to David, hence they went to "the city of David" for the census.
So does the word Israel, and the word Jew.
Israel generally means those descended from the 12 tribes of Israel. At the same time "believing Israel" is called the "Israel of God" and includes both Hebrew and Gentile Christians. The word "Jew" came into existence after the Babylonian captivity, and included those from the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi. Jews (Heb yehudi) lived in the Roman province of Judah, but they are also called "Israel" in the NT.
 

WebersHome

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I think in John's gospel, the author goes so far as to state that Jesus and
John (the Baptist) didn't know of each other.
Mary and Elizabeth were friends. It's difficult for me to believe that the two
families stayed apart for three full decades.

Anyway, your reference is located in John 1:29-34.

The inference is that Jesus' true identity was so well-kept a secret that John
had no clue whatsoever who his boyhood friend really was. Probably nobody
there that day was more surprised than John when that dove tagged Jesus
as the lamb of God.

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Ezekiel8

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Mary and Elizabeth were friends. It's difficult for me to believe that the two
families stayed apart for three full decades.

Anyway, your reference is located in John 1:29-34.

The inference is that Jesus' true identity was so well-kept a secret that John
had no clue whatsoever who his boyhood friend really was. Probably nobody
there that day was more surprised than John when that dove tagged Jesus
as the lamb of God.

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This is some interesting points I have thought before. I'd say for one families back then were pretty big, and it is mentioned that Elizabeth was pretty old when she conceived John. So it's not totally unthinkable that the two did not come into contact regularly. Even I have two cousins that I have never met nor know what they look like.

As for how John would not have met Jesus before the baptism, I was reading the Gospels last night for Christmas as is my custom to read the Christmas story, and I came across a passage that I had not considered before and your comment made me think of it. Perhaps a fair explanation for why John Baptist had not encountered Jesus before the baptism? So here it is for you to think on also:

Luke 1:80

[SUP]80 [/SUP]And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, and was in the deserts till the day of his shewing unto Israel.


(Note: the child here refers to John Baptist.)
 

WebersHome

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Luke 1:80 . . And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, and was in the
deserts till the day of his shewing unto Israel.
I seriously doubt that Elizabeth put John in a bassinet and then abandoned
him somewhere in the great outdoors to fend for himself while still an infant.

I believe what we're looking at in Luke 1:80 and Matt 3:4 is a very, very
brief synopsis of the 30 years of John's life-- a few details are given, but not
all; just a few way markers.

It's not unreasonable to assume that John lived a normal life at home with
his mom and dad just like everybody else until one day, something came
over him and he felt it was time to get out of town, away from people, and
begin preparing himself for the calling for which he was born. The great
outdoors became John's fortress of solitude; so to speak.

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Ezekiel8

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I seriously doubt that Elizabeth put John in a bassinet and then abandoned
him somewhere in the great outdoors to fend for himself while still an infant.

I believe what we're looking at in Luke 1:80 and Matt 3:4 is a very, very
brief synopsis of the 30 years of John's life-- a few details are given, but not
all; just a few way markers.

It's not unreasonable to assume that John lived a normal life at home with
his mom and dad just like everybody else until one day, something came
over him and he felt it was time to get out of town, away from people, and
begin preparing himself for the calling for which he was born. The great
outdoors became John's fortress of solitude; so to speak.

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Lol, well that's not a bad argument, but consider that the angel Gabriel said that John Baptist would be filled with the Holy Spirit from the womb.

Luke 1:15

[SUP]15 [/SUP]For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.
 
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jaybird88

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Pretty simple. Moses was from the tribe of Levi, not Judah. Jesus Christ is descended from Judah.
what line was John the baptist from? i thought i remember him being from Levi but not sure.
 
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Zen

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JACOB--->JUDAH--->DAVID--->SOLOMON--->JESUS

God chose the tribe of Judah to bring the Savior into Israel

The word "Jew" came into existence after the Babylonian captivity, and included those from the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi. Jews (Heb yehudi) lived in the Roman province of Judah, but they are also called "Israel" in the NT.
That doesn't make Judah any more special than Benjamin or any of Israel's other children. Lord Jesus could have come from any of the tribes. Also I think you'll find that it wasn't just 3 tribes that were called Jews, it was anyone of Israel who remained there.

God gave the promises to all the children of Israel, not any single tribe.
 
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11KINGS 16:6.
At that time Rezin king of Syria recovered Elath to Syria, and drave the Jews from Elath:
and the Syrians came to Elath, and dwelt there unto this day.

they were referred to as Jews before the captivity also...
 
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Miri

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Moses was a very important person in the bible.
He represented th law, the signpost if you like that people were unable to
save themselves and had to do something about it.
Moses set the standard, a very high standard as none could perfectly keep it.



Matthew 17:1-4 NKJV
[1] Now after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John his brother,
led them up on a high mountain by themselves; [2] and He was
transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and His
clothes became as white as the light. [3] And behold, Moses
and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him. [4] Then Peter
answered and said to Jesus, "Lord, it is good for us to be here; if
You wish, let us make here three tabernacles: one for You, one
for Moses, and one for Elijah."


Incidentally Elijah represented the prophets who had warned the people to turn
away from sin and turn to the one true God.

They were both signposts, as was John the Baptist.

Then we have Jesus who was the ultimate destination.

Many people in the bible are not in the lineage of Jesus, what about Joseph
for example. But they all played a part in protecting the remnant of God’s
people and being signposts.

Whereas many named in the linage had very small parts of were barely
mentioned at all.



If anything it just goes to show that we all have a part to play whether it is a
big part or a small part. Notice that not many women were mentioned, but
hey without them there would be no linage at all!

Us women are very important you know. :)
 

Nehemiah6

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Lord Jesus could have come from any of the tribes.
Not according to God's plan. The tribe of Judah was chosen to bring the eternal King of Israel to Israel, and it is David's throne which will be re-established in the Millennium and beyond. That is why Christ is called "the Lion of the tribe of Judah". Nothing haphazard about this.
God gave the promises to all the children of Israel, not any single tribe.
In general. But each tribe had a specific role and a specific destiny. Study Genesis 49.
 

Bladerunner

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Considering how significant person Moses was, why is he outside of Christ' lineage?

"This is the genealogy of Jesus the Messiah the son of David, the son of Abraham:

Abraham was the father of Isaac,

Isaac the father of Jacob,

Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers,

Judah the father of Perez and Zerah, whose mother was Tamar,

Perez the father of Hezron,

Hezron the father of Ram,

Ram the father of Amminadab,

Amminadab the father of Nahshon,

Nahshon the father of Salmon,

Salmon the father of Boaz, whose mother was Rahab,

Boaz the father of Obed, whose mother was Ruth,

Obed the father of Jesse,

and Jesse the father of King David.
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Many famous names and then one will realize "wait, where is Moses"?
I guess my question would be to you,,,,,WHY would Jesus be from the line of Moses and not David? Just want to know why your mind even thinks in these circles?
 
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Israel generally means those descended from the 12 tribes of Israel. At the same time "believing Israel" is called the "Israel of God" and includes both Hebrew and Gentile Christians. The word "Jew" came into existence after the Babylonian captivity, and included those from the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi. Jews (Heb yehudi) lived in the Roman province of Judah, but they are also called "Israel" in the NT.
Names are words used to describe the work of God working in the affairs of men . All names found in the scripture were inspired by God not the parents for the exclusive purpose of bringing the gospel in respect to the suffering of Christ beforehand and the glory that followed .The first resurrection..

Not saying it cannot be used to represent 12 tribes. But it is not the word defined with no other meaning attached. In that way we are not to add to a word it can change the author’s intent.(Deu 4:3)

Gen 32:27 And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob.

Jacob = "heel holder" or "supplanter"

Gen 32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

Israel = "God prevails"

Gen 32:28 is a picture of salvation or conversion to all who are given the faith of God needed to believe God, not seen.

Not all Israel is Israel. Just as all Jews are not inward Jews born of the Spirit of Israel (God prevails)

Because of the first century reformation the new name he once called Israel or a Jew is simply Christian, a word that means residents of the city of Christ, or the city of David .The new heavenly Jerusalem .She will come on the last day prepared as His wife the church.
 
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I guess my question would be to you,,,,,WHY would Jesus be from the line of Moses and not David? Just want to know why your mind even thinks in these circles?
It is all about His time. A time to heal a time to kill ,a new season had come called a reformation restoring to another time period.

Ecc 3:1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

I would offer, for one thing there are two kinds of seeds given in the two different genealogies. The seed Christ is in respect to that not seen, the spiritual seed, as in one.

It represents the generation of Christ in respect to the Spirit of Christ, the incorruptible Spirit by which all men, Jew and gentile alike are born again.(no difference) having nothing to do with that seen .

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

His seed.. Christ. Not Abrahams seeds according to the flesh (many) a outward Jew dead in his trespasses and sin.

Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Again not seeds after the flesh.

Because Moses is used to represent the letter of the law as a parable he was not allowed to enter the promise land .The new Jerusalem prepared as the one bride of Christ .

Beginning with David (God's choice) having failed with their own choice Saul.This is seeing the Jews had rejected God as King walking by faith (the unseen) and wanted to have the same kind of foundation of the Pagan surrounding nations (walking by sight) He gave them over temporally to do that which they should not of to begin with . (reject Him as King)

He used that time period as a parable/figure up until the first century reformation, when the ceremonial laws as shadows that spoke of the suffering of Christ before hand... became sight, the veil was rent . And ended the genealogy of Christ in respect to the new generation. The generation of Christ and not the generation of Adam in respect to the flesh of these bodies of death.

Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people: The Holy Ghost this signifying, (using that seen the temporal to reveal the unseen eternal) that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure(parable) for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them "until the time of reformation."Heb 9:6

It was the time of great tribulation for the outward Jew, the trouble of Jacob the surplanter in respect to the outward flesh of a Jew. , natural converted man. The time period was restored to the time of the Judges .No outward representation as when God reigned as King in respect to those who did walk by faith and not by sight.

Some say the born again believer will not go through the tribulation. Preaching the gospel brings tribulation.

And when they had preached the gospel to that city, and had taught many, they returned again to Lystra, and to Iconium, and Antioch,Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.Act 14:22
A time to build a time to destroy

He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.
 
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heartofdavid

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Same reason that Joshua isn't, even though, in Hebrew, Joshua and Jesus are spelled the same, "Yeshua." Joshua was of the tribe of Ephraim, and Caleb was of the tribe of Judah, the same tribe as Jesus. Moses was a Levite, and then the priesthood was transferred to Judah, the line of Jesus Christ, on the Mount of Transfiguration.
Yes,the priesthood was transferred.

Mind boggling.

The lineage is super precise. Has to be.
 
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heartofdavid

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Originally Posted by trofimus

Considering how significant person Moses was, why is he outside of Christ' lineage?

"This is the genealogy of Jesus the Messiah the son of David, the son of Abraham:

Abraham was the father of Isaac,

Isaac the father of Jacob,

Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers,

Judah the father of Perez and Zerah, whose mother was Tamar,

Perez the father of Hezron,

Hezron the father of Ram,

Ram the father of Amminadab,

Amminadab the father of Nahshon,

Nahshon the father of Salmon,

Salmon the father of Boaz, whose mother was Rahab,

Boaz the father of Obed, whose mother was Ruth,

Obed the father of Jesse,

and Jesse the father of King David.
"

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Many famous names and then one will realize "wait, where is Moses"?

Not entirely out of the lineage.

Moses and Arron were born of Levi.

All the tribes trace to Jacob.

Moses is a type of the first coming of Jesus. Joshua is a type of the second coming.