why satan fell

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pastac

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Why satan fell was because he was unable to stand. Think about it. Unable to stand under obedience, or direction unable to stand under Lordship, or correction, unable to stand under unity and harmony. So he had no understanding of his position. He fell because he wanted to stand as God after he understood who God was he wanted that for himself. He fell because he made a choice to usurp authority.
 
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Ezekiel 28:17 KJV
(17) Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.


Satan looked in the mirror too much, that is why he fell. He thought he was better than others.
 
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Stan fell because He sinned against God. Period. He also convinced 1/3 of the angels in Heaven to follow him. It's a free will thing that most reject.
I like to call him Darkheart, but Stan is also good. I know it eats him up that I picked it up from the Care Bears.
 
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Ezekiel 28:17 KJV
(17) Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.


Satan looked in the mirror too much, that is why he fell. He thought he was better than others.
Sigh it gets tiring saying this all the time. This prophesy is about the Prince and King of Tyre and the land of Sidon, not Satan. Also this prophecy all ready came to pass after the prophet uttered it. Prophets don't speak about the past, they prophesy the future. Also this chapter is explicit and unambiguous as to whom it addresses.

All the Bible verses pertaining to Satan will address him as Satan, the Enemy, the Serpent, the Dragon, the Adversary, etc.
 
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Why satan fell was because he was unable to stand. Think about it. Unable to stand under obedience, or direction unable to stand under Lordship, or correction, unable to stand under unity and harmony. So he had no understanding of his position. He fell because he wanted to stand as God after he understood who God was he wanted that for himself. He fell because he made a choice to usurp authority.
Help, I've fallen and I can't get up.
 
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Tintin

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Sigh it gets tiring saying this all the time. This prophesy is about the Prince and King of Tyre and the land of Sidon, not Satan. Also this prophecy all ready came to pass after the prophet uttered it. Prophets don't speak about the past, they prophesy the future. Also this chapter is explicit and unambiguous as to whom it addresses.

All the Bible verses pertaining to Satan will address him as Satan, the Enemy, the Serpent, the Dragon, the Adversary, etc.
Actually, prophets often prophesy about the past and present. Yes, it's about the Prince and King of Tyre but Satan is definitely behind the scenes. Also, not all of the metaphorical language can be attributed to a human ruler.
 
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pastac

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Sigh it gets tiring saying this all the time. This prophesy is about the Prince and King of Tyre and the land of Sidon, not Satan. Also this prophecy all ready came to pass after the prophet uttered it. Prophets don't speak about the past, they prophesy the future. Also this chapter is explicit and unambiguous as to whom it addresses.

All the Bible verses pertaining to Satan will address him as Satan, the Enemy, the Serpent, the Dragon, the Adversary, etc.
The duality of the message can and does include statan remember when the spirit of the Lord was alive in a box well he's outside of that box and so should our thinking be
 
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Actually, prophets often prophesy about the past and present. Yes, it's about the Prince and King of Tyre but Satan is definitely behind the scenes. Also, not all of the metaphorical language can be attributed to a human ruler.
Lol the historians write of the histories, the prophets speak of prophecies to come. Its simple as that.

Perhaps one could say Satan is behind the fall of the King of Tyre from grace, but then Satan is the fault behind all sins as he is the father of sin.

The main reason you can know this prophecy does not refer to Satan is the fact none of Satan's identifying titles are used.

And just because I all ready know someone will contend the covering cherub refers to Satan, this is incorrect. Satan was never an angel this is found nowhere in Scripture. Satan is a dragon, an animal, a beast of the field.
 
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Lol the historians write of the histories, the prophets speak of prophecies to come. Its simple as that.

Perhaps one could say Satan is behind the fall of the King of Tyre from grace, but then Satan is the fault behind all sins as he is the father of sin.

The main reason you can know this prophecy does not refer to Satan is the fact none of Satan's identifying titles are used.

And just because I all ready know someone will contend the covering cherub refers to Satan, this is incorrect. Satan was never an angel this is found nowhere in Scripture. Satan is a dragon, an animal, a beast of the field.
This is incorrect

Isaiah 14:11 All your pomp has been brought down to the grave,
along with the noise of your harps;
maggots are spread out beneath you
and worms cover you.

12 How you have fallen from heaven,
O morning star, son of the dawn!
You have been cast down to the earth,
you who once laid low the nations!

13 You said in your heart,
"I will ascend to heaven;
I will raise my throne
above the stars of God;
I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly,
on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. [c]

14 I will ascend above the tops of the clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High."

15 But you are brought down to the grave,
to the depths of the pit.

Luke 10: 18He replied, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.
 
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I have made reference now you prove it is and lets not word play lets stay point by point
Well in contrast Christ was referred as a lamb, right? So it makes sense that a disparate evil spirit who was once an angel could be described differently. I'm just wondering about scripture that points that God created two types of beings, one human and then the angels. Am I right about that?
 
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pastac

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Well in contrast Christ was referred as a lamb, right? So it makes sense that a disparate evil spirit who was once an angel could be described differently. I'm just wondering about scripture that points that God created two types of beings, one human and then the angels. Am I right about that?
When Lucifer was cast out of Heaven, one third of all the angels were cast out with him. (Rev.12:4,9)
Revelation 12:4-9 (King James Version) "And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
(5) And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
(6)And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
(7)And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, (8)And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
(9)And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him." Lucifer became Satan, and the fallen angels became Demons

The dragon that is often referred to is not literal here we see that Lucifer was called by these names satan dragon serpent devil all the same many other names in his reference
 
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Well in contrast Christ was referred as a lamb, right? So it makes sense that a disparate evil spirit who was once an angel could be described differently. I'm just wondering about scripture that points that God created two types of beings, one human and then the angels. Am I right about that?
yes you are right
 
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1 John 3:8 - He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

1 Peter 5:8 - Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

John 8:44 - Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

2 Corinthians 11:3 - But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Revelation 12:9 - And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

2 Corinthians 4:4 - In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

John 14:30 - Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

Hebrews 2:14 - Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

Luke 10:18 - And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

Ephesians 6:12 - For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].

2 Corinthians 11:14 - And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

John 12:31 - Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

John 10:10 - The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have [it] more abundantly.

Matthew 16:23 - But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

Revelation 20:2 - And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

Revelation 9:11 - And they had a king over them, [which is] the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue [is] Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath [his] name Apollyon.

1 Thessalonians 3:5 - For this cause, when I could no longer forbear, I sent to know your faith, lest by some means the tempter have tempted you, and our labour be in vain.

Romans 16:20 - And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [be] with you. Amen.

John 16:11 - Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

Luke 22:31 - And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired [to have] you, that he may sift [you] as wheat:

Matthew 13:39 - The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

Job 1:6 - Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

Revelation 2:9 - I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and [I know] the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but [are] the synagogue of Satan.

Acts 26:18 - To open their eyes, [and] to turn [them] from darkness to light, and [from] the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

Psalms 109:6 - Set thou a wicked man over him: and let Satan stand at his right hand.

Job 1:7 - And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

1 Chronicles 21:1 - And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.

Revelation 3:9 - Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

1 Timothy 1:20 - Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.

2 Thessalonians 2:9 - [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

Colossians 1:13 - Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated [us] into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Ephesians 6:11-16 - Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. (Read More...)

Ephesians 2:2 - Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

Acts 5:3 - But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back [part] of the price of the land?

John 13:27 - And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.

Luke 11:15 - But some of them said, He casteth out devils through Beelzebub the chief of the devils.

Mark 1:13 - And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him.

Matthew 13:38 - The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked [one];

Matthew 13:19 - When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth [it] not, then cometh the wicked [one], and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

Matthew 12:43 - When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.

Genesis 3:4 - And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

Revelation 20:10 - And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Revelation 20:1-3 - And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
Revelation 12:9-12 - And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

James 4:7 - Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

1 Thessalonians 2:18 - Wherefore we would have come unto you, even I Paul, once and again; but Satan hindered us.

Ephesians 4:27 - Neither give place to the devil.

2 Corinthians 2:11 - Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.

Luke 11:21 - When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace:

Luke 11:18 - If Satan also be divided against himself, how shall his kingdom stand? because ye say that I cast out devils through Beelzebub.

Mark 4:15 - And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

,Isaiah 14:12 - How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
 
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I have made reference now you prove it is and lets not word play lets stay point by point
Isaiah 14 is explicitly and unambiguously in reference to the King of Babylon, not Satan.

Here is my proof Satan is not an angel, nor ever was.

Genesis 3:1

3 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

Very clear and very unambiguous.

When Satan falls, did this happen in the past or is it yet to come? And how is he described when he is thrown down?

Revelation 12


12 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.


Pretty clear and unambiguous that Satan never was, is not, and never will be an angel of light, though he might pretend to be such.

2 Corinthians 11:14

[SUP]14 [/SUP]And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
 
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your post counters your own argument or understanding look at the verse you support
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
You're grasping at straws on your points
Called the devil and satan called both names the old serpent so that's three names he is called. He is known by many different names whay are you wanting to say he was never an angel? Who was kicked out of heaven for rebellion against God? and then look he was cast into the earth. Well where was he? And his angels with him so he was and angel himself and had angels with him the same ones that left when he usurped the throne in the first place what do you not want to see or what is it that you see that is different? Did you even look at the other scriptures I provided showing his many names
 
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What we do know is that for whatever reason, satan decided that he should sit on the thrown of God and exalted himself above all creation. He was prideful.....just like Cain.
Isaiah 14:12-17

12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

Ez 28:13-19

13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

Luke 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

Rev 12:9,10

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Rev 20:10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
 
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your post counters your own argument or understanding look at the verse you support
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
You're grasping at straws on your points
Called the devil and satan called both names the old serpent so that's three names he is called. He is known by many different names whay are you wanting to say he was never an angel? Who was kicked out of heaven for rebellion against God? and then look he was cast into the earth. Well where was he? And his angels with him so he was and angel himself and had angels with him the same ones that left when he usurped the throne in the first place what do you not want to see or what is it that you see that is different? Did you even look at the other scriptures I provided showing his many names
Nay none of that counters my argument. How could it not be more plain that Satan is a dragon? Satan means Enemy/Adversary. The first reference of Satan describes him as a beast of the field. Satan is always referred to as a dragon or a serpent in taxonomy.

Indeed, the fact he will be thrown down with a third of angels and there is a distinction made between Satan and those angels is another great proofs he is not an angel. Look at Job, why is Satan distinguished from the other angels? It's because he's not an angel, he's a dragon.

The only case anyone can make that Satan is or was an angel is Ezekiel 28 and Isaiah 14. The only problem is those prophecies do not refer to Satan they are explicit in reference to King and Prince of Tyre and the Land of Sidon (Ezekiel) and to King of Babylon (Isaiah).

Look past those two prophecies and look at every reference directly and unambiguously abotu Satan. Not one says he is an angel. Not a single one. Why Satan pretend to be an angel if he all ready is? Its simple brother, he is not an angel, nor ever was, nor ever shall be.

I am of the opinion people think Isaiah 14 refers to Satan because how pop culture has given Satan the title of Lucifer. Take away that false pop culture misinterpretation and examine all DIRECT scriptural references to the Enemy and you will notice the common themes that he is an animal, a dragon, a serpent. Notice in Revelation 12 where it gives you all the titles of the dragon that Lucifer is not among them.
 
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ok I see this is going. nowhere, so a man thinking in his heart so is he. You think you are right in your head don't know about your heart I'll leave that between you and God. But for the record I don't want your opinion I want you to do the same you keep implying that others do and apply scripture in the proper context aside from your or even my opinion for that matter.
You still refuse to reference the many names of satan now you're off on something about pop culture
I asked you to stick to the points you cant so lets just move into other areas because on this matter you are having some clear difficulties grasping. Sometimes our choice not to understand something keeps us from understanding some things! By the way you see satan but not the devil or the serpent or the evil one or the dragon all references to satan how do you miss that. Oh by the way Jesus had many names we knew and know him by too! Just some thoughts