Why wasn't the Oral Torah written down

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Crazy4GODword

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basic question :)
 

zone

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Prohibition to write the Oral Torah
The laws transmitted to Moses were contained in the Torah written down on scrolls. According to proponents of the Oral Torah, the explanation however, was not allowed to be written down. Jews were obligated to speak the explanation and pass it on orally to students, children, and fellow adults. It was thus forbidden to write and publish the Oral Torah.[20]

Following the destruction of the Second Temple and the fall of Jerusalem, it became apparent that the Hebrew community and its learning were threatened, and that publication was the only way to ensure that the law could be preserved.[21]

Thus, around 200 CE, a redaction of oral law in writing was completed. Rabbinic tradition ascribes this effort to Rabbi Judah haNasi. The Mishna is generally considered the first work of Rabbinic literature.

Over the next four centuries this body of law, legend and ethical teachings underwent debate and discussion (Gemara) in the two centers of Jewish life, Israel and Babylonia. The Gemara with the Mishnah came to be edited together into compilations known as the Talmud.

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Crazy4GODword

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okay....i'll spend an hour or two and get it from Jewish sources.
or...did you just want an opinion?
 
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Yep, I've found obvious errors in a lot of different content that can easily be proven false. It's good for quick reference if your mildly curious but not good for intensive research unless you check all cited sources. Not saying it's like that on the page Zone posted but it's something a lot of people don't think about when they read wikipedia articles.
 

zone

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Yep, I've found obvious errors in a lot of different content that can easily be proven false. It's good for quick reference if your mildly curious but not good for intensive research unless you check all cited sources. Not saying it's like that on the page Zone posted but it's something a lot of people don't think about when they read wikipedia articles.
e-e-e-e-everybody knows who set up and maintains wiki.
i suppose i could start going through my files and offer other sources.....nah.
it took me years to compile them. anybody can find out the answers to any questions they have by searching for an hour or a day.

wiki footnotes lead to good sources, but they're usually all the way at the bottom of the pages.

anyways.
 

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People assume or are told the Oral Law was given to Moses. This is because Moses was from the tribe of Levi who are the priests and they make the law. After the Babylonian Exile which was blamed on their departure from God's law they strengthened the Ten Commandments and wrote them down. This was about 650BC. I have explained it more fully in the link below. Thanks.

Levitical laws Mitzvah laws.tmd -- 26k
 
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Crazy4GODword

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okay....i'll spend an hour or two and get it from Jewish sources.
or...did you just want an opinion?
Found alot of bias into some modern judaism sources, but ill try to study up on it. Could be your opinion if you know or by what anyone learned whether sources anything pretty much we can discuss and solve the answer (if there is one)
 
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Crazy4GODword

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People assume or are told the Oral Law was given to Moses. This is because Moses was from the tribe of Levi who are the priests and they make the law. After the Babylonian Exile which was blamed on their departure from God's law they strengthened the Ten Commandments and wrote them down. This was about 650BC. I have explained it more fully in the link below. Thanks.

Levitical laws Mitzvah laws.tmd -- 26k
I can look into that, but orally spoken to moses by God from mount sinai would mainly be the question im seeking to find an answer tho
 

zone

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People assume or are told the Oral Law was given to Moses. This is because Moses was from the tribe of Levi who are the priests and they make the law. After the Babylonian Exile which was blamed on their departure from God's law they strengthened the Ten Commandments and wrote them down. This was about 650BC. I have explained it more fully in the link below. Thanks.

Levitical laws Mitzvah laws.tmd -- 26k
THE NOAHIDE LAWS?
are the strengthening of The Ten Commandments?
 

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THE NOAHIDE LAWS?
are the strengthening of The Ten Commandments?
I did NOT say that zone. The Noahide Laws came before the Ten Commandments. Get the chronology right please.
 

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I can look into that, but orally spoken to moses by God from mount sinai would mainly be the question im seeking to find an answer tho
"The few people who heard Deuteronomy read in 621 BC, and then first learned what "the Mosaic Law" was to be, were told that the manuscripts had been "discovered". Today's Judaist authorities dismiss this and agree that Deuteronomy was the independent work of the Levites in isolated Judah after Judah's rejection by the Israelites and the conquest of Israel. Dr. Kastein puts the matter like this:

"In 621 BC, a manuscript hoary with the dust of ages was discovered among the archives. It contained a curious version of the laws which had been codified up to that time, a sort of repetition and variation of them, giving a host of instructions regarding man's duty to God and to his neighbour. It was couched in the form of speeches supposed to have been delivered by Moses just before his death on the farther side of Jordan. Who the author was it is impossible to say".

Thus Dr. Kastein, a zealot who awaits the literal fulfilment of "the Mosaic Law" in every detail, does not believe that its author was either Jehovah or Moses. It is enough for him that it was produced by the lawgiving priesthood, which for him is divine authority."

http://www.arguewitheveryone.com/jud...w-levites.html
 

zone

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welp.......i reckon i better go get a good night's sleep.
it's only a matter of time anyways.
anyone who wants to know what PS is proposing can look here:

SANHEDRIN
Jerusalem Court for Issues of Bnei Noah

What are the Seven Laws?

Q. What are the Seven Laws?
What exactly are the Torah sources for the seven laws? In what manner are non-Jews obligated by these verses in the Torah? (Oral tradition? Rabbinic teaching? Reading the Torah directly? etc)

Answer. The "Seven" laws, as has been well documented, do not cover all the requirements, as the Talmud explains after briniging the source which lists the seven. There the Talmud explains that the list does not contain the positive requirements. The source is Oral Tradition. As in many other cases, there is some disagreement about exactly which are the negative precepts which apply to Bnei Noah.

The summary of the Rambam is: Prohibition of: Idolatry, Blasphemy, Murder, Certain prohibition on Sexual Intercourse, Theft, and Social Order supported by Rule of Law (in Kings 10,11 the Rambam says that "Bet Din of Israel should judge the Naohides or appoint Noahide Judges), and Ever Min HaHai: eating flesh which was cut from a live animal. [Kings, 9,1] In addition the Rambam lists the prohibition of Kilayim [Kings, 10,6]

Jerusalem Court for Issues of Bnei Noah - The Sanhedrin - en < click


The Obligation of Jews to Seek Observance of Noachide[1] Laws by Gentiles: A Theoretical Review
by Rabbi Michael J. Broyde[*]
Jewish Law - Articles - The Obligation of Jews to Seek Observance of Noachide Laws by Gentiles: A Theoretical Review < click


The Seven Noahide Laws
The Seven Noahide Laws < click


Articles Concerning
The Seven Laws of Noah
and Related Concepts

The Seven Laws of Noah and Related Concepts < click


NOW THE GOVERNMENT CAN LEGALLY KILL CHRISTIANS
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Now the Government Can Legally Kill Christians < click


and also into the Freemasonic realm (which is of course just cover for the other thing)

"Noachidae, Noachites. The descendents of Noah. A term applied to Freemasons. Noah having alone preserved the true name and worship of God, amid a race of impious idolaters. Freemasons claim to be his descendents, because they still preserve that pure religion which distinguished this second father of the human race from the rest of the world. And even when his descendents began again, in the plains of Shinar, to forget the Almighty, and to wander from the path of purity, the principles of Noah were still perpetuated by that portion of his race whom the Freemasons of the present day regard as their early predecessors. Hence, Freemasons call themselves Noachidae, or the sons of Noah."
Mackey, Lexicon of Freemasonry, page 324, 2004, Barnes and Noble Publishing, Inc.


penalty for Noahide Laws which apply only to Gentiles: DEATH (beheading).

see you tomorrow.

(see? no Wikipedia)
 

zone

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I did NOT say that zone. The Noahide Laws came before the Ten Commandments. Get the chronology right please.
i'll deal with you tomorrow.
i wondered who you were and what your game was, now i know.
post away.
night.
 

PS

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i'll deal with you tomorrow.
i wondered who you were and what your game was, now i know.
post away.
night.
I'm talking about the Mitzvah NOT the Noahide Laws. You have that wrong and I don't know what conclusion you have jumped to but you are wrong about that as well.

I have no "game" except to glorify the Lord Jesus Christ.

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