WHY WE CONFESS?

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You know our confession is not just the words we say to acknowledge sin and our need for Christ? Our confession is lived out in our daily lives...faith with works...We say we believe and we are children of God ..that's our confession...But we also live what we say we are...that's our confession also...I think maybe the KJV calls is the profession of our faith.. Like Rahab that actually acted according to what she said she believed.
 
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Mitspa said:
You know our confession is not just the words we say to acknowledge sin and our need for Christ? Our confession is lived out in our daily lives...faith with works...We say we believe and we are children of God ..that's our confession...But we also live what we say we are...that's our confession also...I think maybe the KJV calls is the profession of our faith.. Like Rahab that actually acted according to what she said she believed.
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John (Yahchanan 15:4-6, "Abide in Me, and I in you. Just as the branch cannot produce fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me. I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, produces much fruit; but without Me, you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away like a branch, and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned."
 
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Mitspa said:
You know our confession is not just the words we say to acknowledge sin and our need for Christ? Our confession is lived out in our daily lives...faith with works...We say we believe and we are children of God ..that's our confession...But we also live what we say we are...that's our confession also...I think maybe the KJV calls is the profession of our faith.. Like Rahab that actually acted according to what she said she believed.
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A profession is what we profess to be and is proven by our works. A professional plumber is proven by his work. If we are to profess Christianity it is proven by our fruit and not our works. Why? because heathen can give to charity and give to feed the hungry and help widows and orphans. They do it all time, but that doe's not make christianity their profession.

Confession is confessing our sins and if we confess our sins to the Father in the name of Jesus and not Joshua. Then we can rest assured that our sins are forgiven.
 
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Kerry said:
A profession is what we profess to be and is proven by our works. A professional plumber is proven by his work. If we are to profess Christianity it is proven by our fruit and not our works. Why? because heathen can give to charity and give to feed the hungry and help widows and orphans. They do it all time, but that doe's not make christianity their profession.

Confession is confessing our sins and if we confess our sins to the Father in the name of Jesus and not Joshua. Then we can rest assured that our sins are forgiven.
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Well actually the same word is used ... to describe both what we say and what we show in our faith..

1Ti 6:12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.

exact same word
 
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Mitspa said:
Well actually the same word is used ... to describe both what we say and what we show in our faith..

1Ti 6:12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.

exact same word
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Actually Paul is expressing his profession and not confessing they are not the same words and KJV has done a poor job of distinguishing the two. In the greek these are two different meanings. Confession is to confess or admit a wrong doing. Profess is what you preach or teach and are skilled or educated in that profession. Don't take my word for it look it up.

Oh and to give testimony is a profession and not a confession.
 
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Actually Paul is expressing his profession and not confessing they are not the same words and KJV has done a poor job of distinguishing the two. In the greek these are two different meanings. Confession is to confess or admit a wrong doing. Profess is what you preach or teach and are skilled or educated in that profession. Don't take my word for it look it up.

Oh and to give testimony is a profession and not a confession.
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No its the same Greek word.

homologia

Translation is a matter of the translator and his understanding.

Looked it up in the Greek text themselves..have one in my hand
 
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No its the same Greek word.

homologia

Translation is a matter of the translator and his understanding.

Looked it up in the Greek text themselves..have one in my hand
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Maybe so, I haven't studied it recently, but in the english to confess is to admit guilt and to profess is to claim what you know.
 
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Maybe so, I haven't studied it recently, but in the english to confess is to admit guilt and to profess is to claim what you know.
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Not really ..confess with your mouth and believe with your heart Jesus Christ is Lord... That's not a confession of sin...but I understand your general point ...but I think you are missing my point about what confession means..
 
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Confession of sins can very well lead to ungodliness? Some live in the allusion that they can walk in the flesh and sin...then go confess and do it again next time they feel the desire... This is what we see in most of those who believe sin is purged at confession ...we do not see a reverence for God or Gods laws...but a legalistic way to play games with sin. Now a person who knows they are justified by faith...will walk in the spirit and will always keep a clear conscience before the Lord...and yes they will often say "im sorry Lord" make your forgiveness real to me again... But they are not playing some game of sin and confession...
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I suppose if a brother sin against you a couple times you may cease to forgive him because he may do it again the next time he desires....confessing is admission of guilt.....and by extension a way to remain in fellowship with God....who are you to judge who is playing games or not....you think satan is playing games when he is going around like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour....and for those who think they cannot lose salvation....if you sin and they remain unforgiven...by what stretch of the imagination do you think you are justified before God????
1 Peter 4:18
And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?



[h=1][/h]Luke 17:3
Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.

Matthew 18:21-22King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.


Matthew 18:32-35King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]32 [/SUP]Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:
[SUP]33 [/SUP]Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
[SUP]34 [/SUP]And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
[SUP]35 [/SUP]So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
 
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Not really ..confess with your mouth and believe with your heart Jesus Christ is Lord... That's not a confession of sin...but I understand your general point ...but I think you are missing my point about what confession means..
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no it is not a confession of sin but a confession/admission of the Lordship of Christ.....
 
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I suppose if a brother sin against you a couple times you may cease to forgive him because he may do it again the next time he desires....confessing is admission of guilt.....and by extension a way to remain in fellowship with God....who are you to judge who is playing games or not....you think satan is playing games when he is going around like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour....and for those who think they cannot lose salvation....if you sin and they remain unforgiven...by what stretch of the imagination do you think you are justified before God????
1 Peter 4:18
And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?



Luke 17:3
Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.

Matthew 18:21-22King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.


Matthew 18:32-35King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]32 [/SUP]Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:
[SUP]33 [/SUP]Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
[SUP]34 [/SUP]And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
[SUP]35 [/SUP]So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
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Well the scripture does not say scarcely...the word means through trial ... Of course Gods saves the righteous He makes about a thousand promises to that effect...And its clear that some use the confession process as a legalistic formula to play games with sin. Committing a sin and thinking I will confess it Monday...is not what John is teaching... He is teaching us to be honest and walk in honesty...not play games.
 
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1 Corinthians 4:4-5, "For I know nothing by myself; yet by this I am not justified, for He Who judges me is Yahweh! Therefore, judge nothing before the time. Wait until Yahshua comes, Who will bring to light the things hidden in darkness, and will reveal the secret intentions of men's hearts; and then each man will receive praise from Yahweh."
 
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I confess to Christ because that died for that sin
I confess to the Holy Spirit because He shows me my sin
I confess to the Father because I sin against Him

I confess to others s that I can get assurance of forgiveness in Christ, accountability, and freedom


Just read the Bible - not t hard of a subject
 
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I confess to Christ because that died for that sin
I confess to the Holy Spirit because He shows me my sin
I confess to the Father because I sin against Him

I confess to others s that I can get assurance of forgiveness in Christ, accountability, and freedom


Just read the Bible - not t hard of a subject
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Have not read where we confess to the Holy Spirit and I assume The Father. the Son and the Holy Spirit can all hear at the same time :) But I think there is some differences between what folks have been taught about confession...and how you do it and its purpose...in fact there have been some very big debates in the history of what is called the Christian faith.
 
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Well the scripture does not say scarcely...the word means through trial ... Of course Gods saves the righteous He makes about a thousand promises to that effect...And its clear that some use the confession process as a legalistic formula to play games with sin. Committing a sin and thinking I will confess it Monday...is not what John is teaching... He is teaching us to be honest and walk in honesty...not play games.
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do you think Christ would not have anticipated that when he said seventy times seven?

Matthew 21:28-32King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP]But what think ye? A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]And he came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said, I go, sir: and went not.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him.
 
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do you think Christ would not have anticipated that when he said seventy times seven?

Matthew 21:28-32King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP]But what think ye? A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]And he came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said, I go, sir: and went not.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him.
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What? I don't understand your point?
 
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What? I don't understand your point?
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And its clear that some use the confession process as a legalistic formula to play games with sin. Committing a sin and thinking I will confess it Monday...
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God already anticipated that....and it is on that basis we are forgiven...God put principles in place for us to follow...if one does what you say he is fooling himself...not God
Luke 11:4
And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.James 5:16
Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
 
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newbirth said:
God already anticipated that....and it is on that basis we are forgiven...God put principles in place for us to follow...if one does what you say he is fooling himself...not God
Luke 11:4
And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.James 5:16
Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
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Still don't get your point exactly? But we know that folks who confess sins often repeat those sins again and again and some even make the confession process a ( get out of sin free) card.. They idea being that confession takes away the effect of sin when there is not true desire to live in godliness is just a game.
 
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Still don't get your point exactly? But we know that folks who confess sins often repeat those sins again and again and some even make the confession process a ( get out of sin free) card.. They idea being that confession takes away the effect of sin when there is not true desire to live in godliness is just a game.
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you are reasoning why someone would do something....but a hundred men will do the exact same thing for a hundred different reasons...God tells us if they do it to us seventy times seven we must forgive them...will he not do more for us???....will you not rejoice if one who did that for years against Christ finally submit to the Lordship of Christ...??? or will you continually condemn them because of doing it...???
 
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newbirth said:
you are reasoning why someone would do something ....but a hundred men will do the exact same thing for a hundred different reasons...God tells us if they do it to us seventy times seven we must forgive them...will he not do more for us???....will you not rejoice if one who did that for years against Christ finally submit to the Lordship of Christ...??? or will you continually condemn them because of doing it...???
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No lie is if the truth. If a person thinks that they can live in adultry just because they have made the confession of adultery they are not in a true acknowledgment of it as a sin.
 
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