WHY WOULD GOD CARE MORE ABOUT WHAT WE BELIEVE THAN HOW WE LIVE FOR GOD?

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NoNameMcgee

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What is not really true? I have been here one week. You have never met me. You do not know my heart. Please do not judge me. I am struggling with these questions. I ask the question because Jesus preached to us on how we are to try to be ... a change of heart achieved by believing Him and trying to do what He asks of us so clearly in The Sermon On the Mount. If I missed something there, and we are not to try it, then I guess I have missed the boat .
please forgive him

the title of this thread is worded in away it fits the motive of many wolves who seek to take away from the sacrifice of Jesus

i have no idea who you are or what you believe

but many of us combat false gospels regularly

also im sorry if my post offended you in any way
but it is directed at the question in the title

because living by faith is a way of life
and it is living for God

john 6

27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
 

LaurieB

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You will hear many testimonies by many men who have tried to be as they're told they should be. They will end their testimony by saying that no matter how hard they tried, the worse they seemed to get. They will tell you that only after they realized they could NOT do it, could not be good and holy, would always fail and get up and fail and get up, and finally said to Him, I leave it to You to make me good in my heart, if You don't do something, I will remain this way, that is when it turned around for them and they began to see victories over their pride, their tongue, their selfishnesses, etc.
I love this! Yes, of course. I often pray to want to do the right thing because it is intrinsically right and not because I am supposed to. Conversely, I pray for God to let me know if I have sinned unknowingly (because that is entirely possible). And this is the reason I have said that being a Christian is a lifelong process. thanks for your replies. They help me more than you know.
 
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please forgive him

the title of this thread is worded in away it fits the motive of many wolves who seek to take away from the sacrifice of Jesus

i have no idea who you are or what you believe

but many of us combat false gospels regularly

also im sorry if my post offended you in any way
but it is directed at the question in the title

because living by faith is a way of life
and it is living for God

john 6

27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

So here is an example Laurie. We will put nonamemcgee under the spotlight, like a bug. :D
The Spirit corrected him and his heart is contrite. He felt he may have been hasty and too quick with you. So he apologized, not only for himself but also asked for you to forgive his brother if he caused you any offense.

So in the spotlight here is not a perfect man, but he is a contrite man who hears the Spirits nudges and acts on them.
 

LaurieB

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please forgive him

the title of this thread is worded in away it fits the motive of many wolves who seek to take away from the sacrifice of Jesus

i have no idea who you are or what you believe

but many of us combat false gospels regularly

also im sorry if my post offended you in any way
but it is directed at the question in the title

because living by faith is a way of life
and it is living for God

john 6

27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
So here is an example Laurie. We will put nonamemcgee under the spotlight, like a bug. :D
The Spirit corrected him and his heart is contrite. He felt he may have been hasty and too quick with you. So he apologized, not only for himself but also asked for you to forgive his brother if he caused you any offense.

So in the spotlight here is not a perfect man, but he is a contrite man who hears the Spirits nudges and acts on them.
Agree 1000%.
 

LaurieB

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please forgive him

the title of this thread is worded in away it fits the motive of many wolves who seek to take away from the sacrifice of Jesus

i have no idea who you are or what you believe

but many of us combat false gospels regularly

also im sorry if my post offended you in any way
but it is directed at the question in the title

because living by faith is a way of life
and it is living for God

john 6

27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
No problem. I am not offended. Thanks.
 
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I love this! Yes, of course. I often pray to want to do the right thing because it is intrinsically right and not because I am supposed to. Conversely, I pray for God to let me know if I have sinned unknowingly (because that is entirely possible). And this is the reason I have said that being a Christian is a lifelong process. thanks for your replies. They help me more than you know.
That prayer you pray is hunger and thirsting for righteousness in your heart. Not an outward righteousness but true righteousness inside. Go back to the verses you posted and read what God says about those who thirst with this thirst He has put in them. He tells what He gives them. They will be filled with the good things they hunger for. :)
 

LaurieB

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That prayer you pray is hunger and thirsting for righteousness in your heart. Not an outward righteousness but true righteousness inside. Go back to the verses you posted and read what God says about those who thirst with this thirst He has put in them. He tells what He gives them. They will be filled with the good things they hunger for. :)
Thank you , Grace. Can you reference me to the verse/s? I am lost (phyically) on this site. Will have to find the time to figure out how to find things, people, posts,, responses , etc. I kind of just jumped in the pool with all my clothes on (lol)... and now I have to learn now to work this site, unless, I have been reported and will be banned from the site.
 

OneFaith

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IOW you believe you're saved by works, not by faith...which shows you don't really understand the Gospel at all. God can make the light turn on for you though! :)

God can make a light turn on for you- like He did for Saul/Paul who was well-learned, in college so-to-speak- who thought he knew it all until he saw the light, on the road to Damascus, and discovered that he had been wrong. God chooses whom to give grace to, and the ones He chooses are those who obey Him. Our obedience does not earn it, cause it can’t- that’s why it’s still a gift. I can’t by a mansion with a leaf, but if a rich man gives mansions to those with leaves- that’s his prerogative, but leaves still don’t earn mansions.
 

John146

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Well, lots of people have decided what I believe and think without knowing me. Of course, faith plays a huge role.
But, what I don't understand is why Jesus preached this: It is in the Gospel. It is the very heart of the Gospel.


Matthew 5-7 English Standard Version (ESV)

The Sermon on the Mount

5 Seeing the crowds, he went up on the mountain, and when he sat down, his disciples came to him.
The Beatitudes

[SUP]2 [/SUP]And he opened his mouth and taught them, saying:
[SUP]3 [/SUP]“Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]“Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]“Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]“Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]“Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]“Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]“Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons[SUP][a][/SUP] of God.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]“Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]“Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you
Salt and Light

[SUP]13 [/SUP]“You are the salt of the earth, but if salt has lost its taste, how shall its saltiness be restored? It is no longer good for anything except to be thrown out and trampled under people's feet.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]“You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Nor do people light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a stand, and it gives light to all in the house. [SUP]16 [/SUP]In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that[SUP][b][/SUP]they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.
Christ Came to Fulfill the Law

[SUP]17 [/SUP]“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. [SUP]18 [/SUP]For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. [SUP]20 [/SUP]For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
Anger

[SUP]21 [/SUP]“You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.’ [SUP]22 [/SUP]But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother[SUP][c][/SUP] will be liable to judgment; whoever insults[SUP][d][/SUP] his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell[SUP][e][/SUP] of fire. [SUP]23 [/SUP]So if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you, [SUP]24 [/SUP]leave your gift there before the altar and go. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. [SUP]25 [/SUP]Come to terms quickly with your accuser while you are going with him to court, lest your accuser hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the guard, and you be put in prison. [SUP]26 [/SUP]Truly, I say to you, you will never get out until you have paid the last penny.[SUP][f][/SUP]
Lust

[SUP]27 [/SUP]“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ [SUP]28 [/SUP]But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart. [SUP]29 [/SUP]If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell. [SUP]30 [/SUP]And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell.
Divorce

[SUP]31 [/SUP]“It was also said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’ [SUP]32 [/SUP]But I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except on the ground of sexual immorality, makes her commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
Oaths

[SUP]33 [/SUP]“Again you have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform to the Lord what you have sworn.’ [SUP]34 [/SUP]But I say to you, Do not take an oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God, [SUP]35 [/SUP]or by the earth, for it is his footstool, or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King.[SUP]36 [/SUP]And do not take an oath by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black. [SUP]37 [/SUP]Let what you say be simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything more than this comes from evil.[SUP][g][/SUP]
Retaliation

[SUP]38 [/SUP]“You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’[SUP]39 [/SUP]But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. [SUP]40 [/SUP]And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic,[SUP][h][/SUP] let him have your cloak as well. [SUP]41 [/SUP]And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. [SUP]42 [/SUP]Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you.
Love Your Enemies

[SUP]43 [/SUP]“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ [SUP]44 [/SUP]But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, [SUP]45 [/SUP]so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. [SUP]46 [/SUP]For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? [SUP]47 [/SUP]And if you greet only your brothers,[SUP][i][/SUP] what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? [SUP]48 [/SUP]You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Giving to the Needy

6 “Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]“Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. [SUP]3 [/SUP]But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, [SUP]4 [/SUP]so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
The Lord's Prayer

[SUP]5 [/SUP]“And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. [SUP]6 [/SUP]But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]“And when you pray, do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do, for they think that they will be heard for their many words. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Pray then like this:
“Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name.[SUP][j][/SUP]
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Your kingdom come,
your will be done,[SUP][k][/SUP]
on earth as it is in heaven.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Give us this day our daily bread,[SUP][l][/SUP]
[SUP]12 [/SUP]and forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.[SUP][m][/SUP]
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, [SUP]15 [/SUP]but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Fasting

[SUP]16 [/SUP]“And when you fast, do not look gloomy like the hypocrites, for they disfigure their faces that their fasting may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. [SUP]17 [/SUP]But when you fast, anoint your head and wash your face,[SUP]18 [/SUP]that your fasting may not be seen by others but by your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
Lay Up Treasures in Heaven

[SUP]19 [/SUP]“Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust[SUP][n][/SUP] destroy and where thieves break in and steal, [SUP]20 [/SUP]but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. [SUP]21 [/SUP]For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also
[SUP]22 [/SUP]“The eye is the lamp of the body. So, if your eye is healthy, your whole body will be full of light, [SUP]23 [/SUP]but if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light in you is darkness, how great is the darkness!
[SUP]24 [/SUP]“No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.[SUP][o][/SUP]
Do Not Be Anxious

[SUP]25 [/SUP]“Therefore I tell you, do not be anxious about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink, nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing? [SUP]26 [/SUP]Look at the birds of the air: they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? [SUP]27 [/SUP]And which of you by being anxious can add a single hour to his span of life?[SUP][p][/SUP] [SUP]28 [/SUP]And why are you anxious about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin,[SUP]29 [/SUP]yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.[SUP]30 [/SUP]But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is alive and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith?[SUP]31 [/SUP]Therefore do not be anxious, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ [SUP]32 [/SUP]For the Gentiles seek after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them all. [SUP]33 [/SUP]But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]“Therefore do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.
Judging Others

7 “Judge not, that you be not judged. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? [SUP]4 [/SUP]Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? [SUP]5 [/SUP]You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]“Do not give dogs what is holy, and do not throw your pearls before pigs, lest they trample them underfoot and turn to attack you.
Ask, and It Will Be Given

[SUP]7 [/SUP]“Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. [SUP]8 [/SUP]For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Or which one of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? [SUP]10 [/SUP]Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? [SUP]11 [/SUP]If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!
The Golden Rule

[SUP]12 [/SUP]“So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]“Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy[SUP][q][/SUP] that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.
A Tree and Its Fruit

[SUP]15 [/SUP]“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. [SUP]16 [/SUP]You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? [SUP]17 [/SUP]So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. [SUP]18 [/SUP]A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Thus you will recognize them by their fruits.
I Never Knew You

[SUP]21 [/SUP]“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. [SUP]22 [/SUP]On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ [SUP]23 [/SUP]And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
Build Your House on the Rock

[SUP]24 [/SUP]“Everyone then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock. [SUP]25 [/SUP]And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock. [SUP]26 [/SUP]And everyone who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand.[SUP]27 [/SUP]And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell, and great was the fall of it.”
The Authority of Jesus

[SUP]28 [/SUP]And when Jesus finished these sayings, the crowds were astonished at his teaching, [SUP]29 [/SUP]for he was teaching them as one who had authority, and not as their scribes.
The gospel of Jesus Christ is not the sermon on the mount. There is no mention of Jesus' death, burial and resurrection. That's the gospel, is it not? The good news that Jesus died for ours sins, was buried and rose again? 1 Corinthians 15:3-4.
 

OneFaith

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Thank you for your thoughtful replies.

He doesn’t. A murderer-drunkard-rapist can believe in God, but he’s not going to heaven unless he quits sinning and starts obeying God. Actions speak louder than words. Jesus taught us this with a parable. A father told his son to work in the field, the son said he would but he didn’t do it. The father also told his other son to go work in the field, he said he would not but later did. Which one obeyed his father? Certainly not the one who only used words.


 
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Yes, laurie, here are the verses you posted again. I was referring to verse 6.
 
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Whoops sorry. Here. Verse 6.

Well, lots of people have decided what I believe and think without knowing me. Of course, faith plays a huge role.
But, what I don't understand is why Jesus preached this: It is in the Gospel. It is the very heart of the Gospel.


Matthew 5-7 English Standard Version (ESV)

The Sermon on the Mount

5 Seeing the crowds, he went up on the mountain, and when he sat down, his disciples came to him.
The Beatitudes

[SUP]2 [/SUP]And he opened his mouth and taught them, saying:
[SUP]3 [/SUP]“Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]“Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]“Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]“Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]“Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]“Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]“Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons[SUP][a][/SUP] of God.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]“Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]“Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you
Salt and Light

[SUP]13 [/SUP]“You are the salt of the earth, but if salt has lost its taste, how shall its saltiness be restored? It is no longer good for anything except to be thrown out and trampled under people's feet.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]“You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Nor do people light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a stand, and it gives light to all in the house. [SUP]16 [/SUP]In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that[SUP][b][/SUP]they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.
Christ Came to Fulfill the Law

[SUP]17 [/SUP]“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. [SUP]18 [/SUP]For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. [SUP]20 [/SUP]For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
Anger

[SUP]21 [/SUP]“You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.’ [SUP]22 [/SUP]But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother[SUP][c][/SUP] will be liable to judgment; whoever insults[SUP][d][/SUP] his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell[SUP][e][/SUP] of fire. [SUP]23 [/SUP]So if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you, [SUP]24 [/SUP]leave your gift there before the altar and go. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. [SUP]25 [/SUP]Come to terms quickly with your accuser while you are going with him to court, lest your accuser hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the guard, and you be put in prison. [SUP]26 [/SUP]Truly, I say to you, you will never get out until you have paid the last penny.[SUP][f][/SUP]
Lust

[SUP]27 [/SUP]“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ [SUP]28 [/SUP]But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart. [SUP]29 [/SUP]If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell. [SUP]30 [/SUP]And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell.
Divorce

[SUP]31 [/SUP]“It was also said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’ [SUP]32 [/SUP]But I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except on the ground of sexual immorality, makes her commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
Oaths

[SUP]33 [/SUP]“Again you have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform to the Lord what you have sworn.’ [SUP]34 [/SUP]But I say to you, Do not take an oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God, [SUP]35 [/SUP]or by the earth, for it is his footstool, or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King.[SUP]36 [/SUP]And do not take an oath by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black. [SUP]37 [/SUP]Let what you say be simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything more than this comes from evil.[SUP][g][/SUP]
Retaliation

[SUP]38 [/SUP]“You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’[SUP]39 [/SUP]But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. [SUP]40 [/SUP]And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic,[SUP][h][/SUP] let him have your cloak as well. [SUP]41 [/SUP]And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. [SUP]42 [/SUP]Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you.
Love Your Enemies

[SUP]43 [/SUP]“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ [SUP]44 [/SUP]But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, [SUP]45 [/SUP]so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. [SUP]46 [/SUP]For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? [SUP]47 [/SUP]And if you greet only your brothers,[SUP][i][/SUP] what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? [SUP]48 [/SUP]You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Giving to the Needy

6 “Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]“Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. [SUP]3 [/SUP]But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, [SUP]4 [/SUP]so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
The Lord's Prayer

[SUP]5 [/SUP]“And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. [SUP]6 [/SUP]But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]“And when you pray, do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do, for they think that they will be heard for their many words. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Pray then like this:
“Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name.[SUP][j][/SUP]
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Your kingdom come,
your will be done,[SUP][k][/SUP]
on earth as it is in heaven.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Give us this day our daily bread,[SUP][l][/SUP]
[SUP]12 [/SUP]and forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.[SUP][m][/SUP]
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, [SUP]15 [/SUP]but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Fasting

[SUP]16 [/SUP]“And when you fast, do not look gloomy like the hypocrites, for they disfigure their faces that their fasting may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. [SUP]17 [/SUP]But when you fast, anoint your head and wash your face,[SUP]18 [/SUP]that your fasting may not be seen by others but by your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
Lay Up Treasures in Heaven

[SUP]19 [/SUP]“Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust[SUP][n][/SUP] destroy and where thieves break in and steal, [SUP]20 [/SUP]but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. [SUP]21 [/SUP]For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also
[SUP]22 [/SUP]“The eye is the lamp of the body. So, if your eye is healthy, your whole body will be full of light, [SUP]23 [/SUP]but if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light in you is darkness, how great is the darkness!
[SUP]24 [/SUP]“No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.[SUP][o][/SUP]
Do Not Be Anxious

[SUP]25 [/SUP]“Therefore I tell you, do not be anxious about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink, nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing? [SUP]26 [/SUP]Look at the birds of the air: they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? [SUP]27 [/SUP]And which of you by being anxious can add a single hour to his span of life?[SUP][p][/SUP] [SUP]28 [/SUP]And why are you anxious about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin,[SUP]29 [/SUP]yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.[SUP]30 [/SUP]But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is alive and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith?[SUP]31 [/SUP]Therefore do not be anxious, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ [SUP]32 [/SUP]For the Gentiles seek after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them all. [SUP]33 [/SUP]But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]“Therefore do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.
Judging Others

7 “Judge not, that you be not judged. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? [SUP]4 [/SUP]Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? [SUP]5 [/SUP]You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]“Do not give dogs what is holy, and do not throw your pearls before pigs, lest they trample them underfoot and turn to attack you.
Ask, and It Will Be Given

[SUP]7 [/SUP]“Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. [SUP]8 [/SUP]For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Or which one of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? [SUP]10 [/SUP]Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? [SUP]11 [/SUP]If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!
The Golden Rule

[SUP]12 [/SUP]“So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]“Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy[SUP][q][/SUP] that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.
A Tree and Its Fruit

[SUP]15 [/SUP]“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. [SUP]16 [/SUP]You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? [SUP]17 [/SUP]So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. [SUP]18 [/SUP]A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Thus you will recognize them by their fruits.
I Never Knew You

[SUP]21 [/SUP]“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. [SUP]22 [/SUP]On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ [SUP]23 [/SUP]And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
Build Your House on the Rock

[SUP]24 [/SUP]“Everyone then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock. [SUP]25 [/SUP]And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock. [SUP]26 [/SUP]And everyone who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand.[SUP]27 [/SUP]And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell, and great was the fall of it.”
The Authority of Jesus

[SUP]28 [/SUP]And when Jesus finished these sayings, the crowds were astonished at his teaching, [SUP]29 [/SUP]for he was teaching them as one who had authority, and not as their scribes.
 
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And verse 3, blessed are the poor in spirit for the kingdom of heaven belongs to them, is what I was speaking about in the post where I said you will hear many testimonies from men that say they only got victories when they finally saw they could not be holy in their heart and told God, you will have to do it because I can't.

Those men were always poor in spirit but when they saw it to be true, that is the blessing of God that they saw it. If a man doesn't see he is poor then he will not ask for what he lacks and needs. Only men who know they are poor will ask. Proud men don't see that they are poor in spirit so they never ask.
 
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1 Peter Chapter 1

1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.


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1 John 3
3 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

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Philippians 3:9
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith

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Isaiah 53:11 - He shall see of the travail of his soul, [and] shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
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Galatians 2:16 - Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
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1 Peter 2:24 - Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
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Romans 1:17 - For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
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Romans 3:22 - Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
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Romans 4:5 - But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.


may God bless you Laurie
 
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Thank you , Grace. Can you reference me to the verse/s? I am lost (phyically) on this site. Will have to find the time to figure out how to find things, people, posts,, responses , etc. I kind of just jumped in the pool with all my clothes on (lol)... and now I have to learn now to work this site, unless, I have been reported and will be banned from the site.
You have done absolutely nothing that is a ban able offense. You have spoken respectfully to everyone here. You have not taken offense at even some who may have been harsh with you. In fact, if anything, you have poured hot coals on their heads and made them sorry they jumped the gun and approached you with less love than they might have.
 
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This may be helpful for the OP. There is a subtle false dichotomy in Christendom (which shows up in the OP as a topic of discussion) between faith and works. Works are looked down upon to such an extent that as soon as works are mentioned many professing believers go off in knee jerk fashion with "Not by works!!!" This is done as if any good works negates grace, or the mere mention makes the person out to be preaching a false gospel. Even the mention of evidence of conversion is mocked when it is purely biblical; note the epistle 1 John for instance.

Scripture teaches faith has works; James 2:14-26, James 1:22; that all who are true believers are being transformed; 2 Corinthians 3:18ff; and that all true converts are being sanctified; Hebrews 12:14.
 

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He doesn’t. A murderer-drunkard-rapist can believe in God, but he’s not going to heaven unless he quits sinning and starts obeying God. Actions speak louder than words. Jesus taught us this with a parable. A father told his son to work in the field, the son said he would but he didn’t do it. The father also told his other son to go work in the field, he said he would not but later did. Which one obeyed his father? Certainly not the one who only used words.


Let me get this straight, you have quit sinning and doing all that the Lord has asked of you?
 
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I think it is romans that says: the good news (the gospel) tells all about how God makes us right with Himself, and from start to finish it is done for us by trusting in Him. I used my own words to say it. But when you see the word faith, it means trusting Him for everything.
 

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Thank you for your thoughtful replies.


WHY WOULD GOD CARE MORE ABOUT WHAT WE BELIEVE THAN HOW WE LIVE FOR GOD?


The question makes the presumption that He does CARE MORE ABOUT WHAT WE BELIEVE THAN HOW WE LIVE FOR GOD.


I am not persuaded that the presumption is valid.
 
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I am going to annoy you by fussing over you like a mother bird, but I just want to say one more thing. Men judge us by looking at the outside. God judges by looking at the inside, the heart. This is how Jesus could say that to have anger in my heart at you means I have already murdered you, even if I never do it outwardly, with a gun. But no man can ever keep himself from never getting angry in his heart. He has to cry to God to make his heart pure.