why would millennial kingdom not be literal?

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

Is the millennial kingdom a literal earthly kingdom

  • Yes

    Votes: 20 66.7%
  • No

    Votes: 10 33.3%

  • Total voters
    30
Nov 6, 2017
674
12
0
It is their base argument. Nothing you say will change that.

Gods work of savings souls will not end until this earth is destroyed. Until then, the gospel will always need to go out. There will be unbelievers even during christs rule thats why when satan is released he easily gathers an army which is quickly dispatched at the true e4nd of this world.

as for animal sacrifice, as Hebrews states, the blood of bull and goat never took away sin, Never means never, even in the OT it never took away sin, it was a symbol only. The jews got this wrong. Its one of the reasons they rejected christ, so even if it is re-instituted for whatever reason. It is not anything different than what they did in the OT, which NEVER saved anyone. But was a tool. Period.. we should not read to much into it, and just trust God, he knows why he is doing it (again, if he is)
Animal sacrifice covered the sin, it was not just a symbol, otherwise clothes of skin would not have been needed for Adam and Eve
 

PennEd

Senior Member
Apr 22, 2013
13,021
8,712
113
I have yet to hear answer to my simple question. I understand it is inconvenient to those that allegorize vast chunks of Scripture, but when did Jesus ever reign from King David's throne?
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
Animal sacrifice covered the sin, it was not just a symbol, otherwise clothes of skin would not have been needed for Adam and Eve
Hebrews says clearly the blood of bulls and goats never took away sin. Even the covering of Adam ands Eve were a symbol not an actual thing which got them to heaven.

Heb 10:
[FONT=&quot]For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect. [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins. [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.[/FONT]
 
Jul 23, 2017
879
31
0
Rev 20 is a whole chapter, but if you ask about 1000 years there, it means to me a symbolic expression of gospel era, which is now about 2000 years.
ok its the church age. thanks

but how are we ruling and reigning with Christ now? is the gog and magog about world turning against christians on a higher than before level then?

and how does Jesus return in revelation 19 but revelation 20 is the gospel age? does He return again in rev 20? or same return but different vision? whats the deal there.
 
Jul 23, 2017
879
31
0
I have yet to hear answer to my simple question. I understand it is inconvenient to those that allegorize vast chunks of Scripture, but when did Jesus ever reign from King David's throne?
someone said to u that it started when Jesus ascended to the right side of the Father.

how is that david's throne? i dont know but thats what was said
 

trofimus

Senior Member
Aug 17, 2015
10,684
794
113
I have yet to hear answer to my simple question. I understand it is inconvenient to those that allegorize vast chunks of Scripture, but when did Jesus ever reign from King David's throne?
Its not inconvenient at all.

You just need to read the New Testament without "everything is about physical Israel" glasses:

"He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.”
Luke 1:30-33

His kingdom is without end, not for literal 1000 years. And that He already rules, you can find in many NT verses, you just need to look for them.
 

TMS

Senior Member
Mar 21, 2015
3,594
1,087
113
Australia
You do understand that mountains can be figuratively speaking of governments right....<---read Daniel the Ancient of days casts down all thrones, governments and powers.....there will be NO NATION, KINDGOM OR POWER tjat competes with Jesus for rule of the planet....at at the 7th trump of Revelation he seizes control of all KINGDOMS AND THEY BECOME HIS...
will any of the wicked survive the brightness of Jesus' coming?
 

trofimus

Senior Member
Aug 17, 2015
10,684
794
113
ok its the church age. thanks

but how are we ruling and reigning with Christ now? is the gog and magog about world turning against christians on a higher than before level then?

and how does Jesus return in revelation 19 but revelation 20 is the gospel age? does He return again in rev 20? or same return but different vision? whats the deal there.
Give me one question in one post, I really do not have all evening just for you :)

It would be best for you to read some Revelation commentary, because you can continue such questions about every verse there.
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
will any of the wicked survive the brightness of Jesus' coming?
He will return as he did when he left as the angel said.

However, He will personally kill the wicked, the only ones to be left alive will those who endur4ed to the end. And they will enter the kingdom age with Christ.
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
someone said to u that it started when Jesus ascended to the right side of the Father.

how is that david's throne? i dont know but thats what was said
When did david have a heavenly throne?
 
Nov 12, 2015
9,112
822
113
Give me one question in one post, I really do not have all evening just for you :)

It would be best for you to read some Revelation commentary, because you can continue such questions about every verse there.
No snoozy, I don't think you should read revelation commentary. At least not yet. Look what its done to him...I think you should keep letting the Spirit guide you in your study of it. He appears to be teaching you well. and showing you a lot.:)
 
Nov 12, 2015
9,112
822
113
And snoozy, don't you know I did have to go to Isaiah! It's kind of hard to put it into words but...since you know different timeframes can be spoken of from verse to verse, you will see what I am talking about when you read the prophets again. There's a tremendous amount of forward then reverse then forward again. And in Isaiah particularly, there are sections that talk to a physical ruler of a place and then jump to talking about a spiritual principality/king of the same place (as in a fallen angel).
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
And snoozy, don't you know I did have to go to Isaiah! It's kind of hard to put it into words but...since you know different timeframes can be spoken of from verse to verse, you will see what I am talking about when you read the prophets again. There's a tremendous amount of forward then reverse then forward again. And in Isaiah particularly, there are sections that talk to a physical ruler of a place and then jump to talking about a spiritual principality/king of the same place (as in a fallen angel).

One way to look at forward looking prophesy is it is written usually in some detail and organized. So it seems like one event, unless you look sideways (if you could) then you will see that not all things may happen all at one time. Things may occur at different times, it is just hidden because it is just a list of events which are being fortold. Not times when they will occur.

 

trofimus

Senior Member
Aug 17, 2015
10,684
794
113
No snoozy, I don't think you should read revelation commentary. At least not yet. Look what its done to him...I think you should keep letting the Spirit guide you in your study of it. He appears to be teaching you well. and showing you a lot.:)
What a manipulation...

Holy Spirit is what you teach and what I believe is "look what is done to him".
 

TMS

Senior Member
Mar 21, 2015
3,594
1,087
113
Australia
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Show me when, before the 1000 years, Jesus will touch the Earth?
And remember that many of the prophesies about Israel came to nothing when they rejected Jesus, and many will be fulfilled in the new Earth.

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
They failed
God turned to the gentiles and anyone that would except the truth.

Literal Israel failed, Spiritual Israel is what maters. Being part of the root (Israel) by faith is open to anyone through Christ.

Rom 9:30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
Rom 9:31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
Rom 9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
Rom 9:33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 11:15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
Rom 11:16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.



The Gentiles become part of the tree, By faith Gentile become an Israelite in Gods eyes.
 
Nov 12, 2015
9,112
822
113
What a manipulation...

Holy Spirit is what you teach and what I believe is "look what is done to him".
I'm unclear as to who, or what, you think I'm manipulating.
As for your second sentence, I have no idea what you're trying to convey.
 

tourist

Senior Member
Mar 13, 2014
41,361
16,324
113
69
Tennessee
your so called millennium is purposeless. Christ reigns NOW and to introduce another Gospel is an insult to Him.
I believe that Satan is currently reigning on Earth and not Jesus.
 
Nov 6, 2017
674
12
0
I believe that Satan is currently reigning on Earth and not Jesus.
best post on this thread.

2 Cor 4:4-
[SUP]4 [/SUP]in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
 
Last edited:
Jul 23, 2017
879
31
0
Give me one question in one post, I really do not have all evening just for you :)

It would be best for you to read some Revelation commentary, because you can continue such questions about every verse there.
can u give me a commentary by someone who u would agreee with?
 
Nov 6, 2017
674
12
0
Hebrews says clearly the blood of bulls and goats never took away sin. Even the covering of Adam ands Eve were a symbol not an actual thing which got them to heaven.

Heb 10:
For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.
stop confusing covered with removed. I never said it removed or took away I said it covered.

The word atoned in the Hebrew means covered, not taken away and not removed. We agree bro, I think our terms are confused.