Will men be sent to hell because they haven't heard about Jesus?

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John146

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The gospel of the death, burial and resurrection has gone out in all the world. Romans 16:25-26, Colossians 1:6,23


And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
 
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If this is true, why tell anyone about Jesus? Let the whole world be ignorant and everyone goes to heaven.
Heaven is what our lives turn into after we repent of our sin:


From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matt 4:17 RSV
Jesus teaches us how to do that.
 

Samie

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You are saying that people are born "lost". Can you explain why there will be little children in the new earth? See Isa 11:6-9
 
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Chuckt

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God is just. A person isn’t going to go to hell for something he has no control over.
They don't have a conscience? Abraham was an idolater and got God's attention and who was there to tell him about God?
Moses saw a burning bush. I'm sure he had a head knowledge of God before that and that was it.

God is still directing people's lives. My neighbor had a vision of Jesus before she was saved because no one told her about Jesus. I had a head knowledge and doubted God but then He got my attention.

What you're saying is that man can't perceive God being there when God is omnipresent. What you're saying is that man can't perceive God is there when God can lay something heavy on my heart.

You're dealing with the invisible and the visible. You can't always see the invisible and then say you know because you don't know what God is doing. God is concerned about the man on the island that never heard.

God got my attention and He proves He is there all of the time because I started doing evangelism and God started speaking to me through the word. I started giving timely answers after timely answers to people and they were oblivious to what I was saying to them because sin is the norm to them. I got coincidence after coincidence of God speaking to me through His word and He somehow ordered it to what people would say to me in the future because He knows all things. We don't know all things and we base salvation on what we know. God knows the end from the beginning so it isn't like God is worrying.
 
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Chuckt

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You are saying that people are born "lost". Can you explain why there will be little children in the new earth? See Isa 11:6-9

Are you sure he/she will be a child?


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There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.


Isaiah 65:20 "Never again will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not live out his years; the one who dies at a hundred will be thought a mere child; the one who fails to reach a hundred will be considered accur
 
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They don't have a conscience? Abraham was an idolater and got God's attention and who was there to tell him about God?
Moses saw a burning bush. I'm sure he had a head knowledge of God before that and that was it.

God is still directing people's lives. My neighbor had a vision of Jesus before she was saved because no one told her about Jesus. I had a head knowledge and doubted God but then He got my attention.

What you're saying is that man can't perceive God being there when God is omnipresent. What you're saying is that man can't perceive God is there when God can lay something heavy on my heart.

You're dealing with the invisible and the visible. You can't always see the invisible and then say you know because you don't know what God is doing. God is concerned about the man on the island that never heard.

God got my attention and He proves He is there all of the time because I started doing evangelism and God started speaking to me through the word. I started giving timely answers after timely answers to people and they were oblivious to what I was saying to them because sin is the norm to them. I got coincidence after coincidence of God speaking to me through His word and He somehow ordered it to what people would say to me in the future because He knows all things. We don't know all things and we base salvation on what we know. God knows the end from the beginning so it isn't like God is worrying.
We are judged according to our behavior. When we love the Lord with all our hearts, minds, and souls, and love our neighbors as ourselves, we are fine. When we don’t, the Lord has to discipline us. This is true of every man, woman, and child on earth. The Lord speaks to each one of us. Sometimes we listen. Sometimes we don’t. Some listen better than others. Remember that the Lord is motivated entirely by love.
 

Samie

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Are you sure he/she will be a child?

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Yes. Scriptures say so:

NKJ Isaiah 11:6-8 6 " The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, The leopard shall lie down with the young goat, The calf and the young lion and the fatling together; And a little child shall lead them. 7 The cow and the bear shall graze; Their young ones shall lie down together; And the lion shall eat straw like the ox. 8 The nursing child shall play by the cobra's hole, And the weaned child shall put his hand in the viper's den. 9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain, For the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD As the waters cover the sea.
 

John146

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Millennial reign of Christ, not the new earth. It lasts 1,000 years, people will be having families on the earth.

Yes. Scriptures say so:

NKJ Isaiah 11:6-8 6 " The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, The leopard shall lie down with the young goat, The calf and the young lion and the fatling together; And a little child shall lead them. 7 The cow and the bear shall graze; Their young ones shall lie down together; And the lion shall eat straw like the ox. 8 The nursing child shall play by the cobra's hole, And the weaned child shall put his hand in the viper's den. 9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain, For the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD As the waters cover the sea.
 
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Chuckt

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We are judged according to our behavior. When we love the Lord with all our hearts, minds, and souls, and love our neighbors as ourselves, we are fine. When we don’t, the Lord has to discipline us. This is true of every man, woman, and child on earth. The Lord speaks to each one of us. Sometimes we listen. Sometimes we don’t. Some listen better than others. Remember that the Lord is motivated entirely by love.
Men that haven't heard about Jesus can be judged by the amount of light they have received from God:

We are judged in light of the law of conscience:

Romans 2:15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)



We will be judged by the light of creation:

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

These are lesser things for them to be accountable for so if they can't be accountable to what is right, why would they be accountable to the gospel? The other thing is that God would be just by sending me to hell because if God was to get rid of the evil then He would have to get rid of me because I've hurt people unintentionally, I've made mistakes and I've done wrong. The fact that we are here meant we got a second, some a third, some a fourth, etc., chance because God is good and merciful already to people.

They will be judged by the amount of light they received.

And it is sort of like this. If we agape (love) evil then we will reject the gospel and if we love righteousness, we will love the gospel. You don't have to hear the gospel for God to know what you would choose.

The condemnation is not just that people rejected the gospel or people didn't hear the gospel. The condemnation is the reason:

"And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God."-John 3:19-21

If we replaced light with accepting the gospel and darkness with rejecting the gospel, God can show pretty much how people lived their lives live up with them being consistent with decisions they haven't had.

23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.-Matthew 13:23

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+13&version=KJV

But because the gospel is heard, the amount of light is greater and since Jesus is the light, lets test whether people will love the person of truth by not only by how they live their lives but whom they accept or reject.

What about those who never heard?
What of those who have never Heard?
 

John146

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"That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world."

Men that haven't heard about Jesus can be judged by the amount of light they have received from God:

We are judged in light of the law of conscience:

Romans 2:15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)



We will be judged by the light of creation:

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

These are lesser things for them to be accountable for so if they can't be accountable to what is right, why would they be accountable to the gospel? The other thing is that God would be just by sending me to hell because if God was to get rid of the evil then He would have to get rid of me because I've hurt people unintentionally, I've made mistakes and I've done wrong. The fact that we are here meant we got a second, some a third, some a fourth, etc., chance because God is good and merciful already to people.

They will be judged by the amount of light they received.

And it is sort of like this. If we agape (love) evil then we will reject the gospel and if we love righteousness, we will love the gospel. You don't have to hear the gospel for God to know what you would choose.

The condemnation is not just that people rejected the gospel or people didn't hear the gospel. The condemnation is the reason:

"And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God."-John 3:19-21

If we replaced light with accepting the gospel and darkness with rejecting the gospel, God can show pretty much how people lived their lives live up with them being consistent with decisions they haven't had.

23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.-Matthew 13:23

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+13&version=KJV

But because the gospel is heard, the amount of light is greater and since Jesus is the light, lets test whether people will love the person of truth by not only by how they live their lives but whom they accept or reject.

What about those who never heard?
What of those who have never Heard?
 

Samie

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Millennial reign of Christ, not the new earth. It lasts 1,000 years, people will be having families on the earth.
I think there will be no child-bearing after the Second Coming and the millennial reign is after the second coming.

Luke 20:34-35 34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: 35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage

So from where are the little children in the millennial reign? I believe they are those who died at infancy or before the age of accountability, and will be resurrected among the righteous.
 
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The ones that sow the seeds (spread the word) has been entrusted to do that job, but if they has came up to someone to spread the word, but they had rejected it, then it says in Matthew 10:14 If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet. But it is still the job of the ones that He entrusted to spread the word even if to the ones that are their enemies.


Matthew 25:26 “His master replied, ‘You wicked, lazy servant! So you knew that I harvest where I have not sown and gather where I have not scattered seed?

Matthew 9:37 Then he said to his disciples, “The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few.

Acts 9:11 The Lord told him, “Go to the house of Judas on Straight Street and ask for a man from Tarsus named Saul, for he is praying. 12 In a vision he has seen a man named Ananias come and place his hands on him to restore his sight.”

13 “Lord,” Ananias answered, “I have heard many reports about this man and all the harm he has done to your holy people in Jerusalem. 14 And he has come here with authority from the chief priests to arrest all who call on your name.”


15 But the Lord said to Ananias, “Go! This man is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel.

Jonah 1:2 “Go to the great city of Nineveh and preach against it, because its wickedness has come up before me.” 3 But Jonah ran away from the Lord and headed for Tarshish. He went down to Joppa, where he found a ship bound for that port. After paying the fare, he went aboard and sailed for Tarshish to flee from the Lord.

Matthew 6:10 your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.

Matthew 11:27 “All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.

Matthew 21:28 “What do you think? There was a man who had two sons. He went to the first and said, ‘Son, go and work today in the vineyard.’
 
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jaybird88

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was the op asking a question or just posting a video?
 
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wwjd_kilden

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The gospel of the death, burial and resurrection has gone out in all the world. Romans 16:25-26, Colossians 1:6,23
my point was, the final judgement won't take place until all have had a chance to hear
and if you hear the gospel, and choose to reject, then you are no longer innocent

As for individuals "not knowing":
If you go to a foreign country, and break the law, even if it is unknowingly, society expects you to take your punishment
(as long as that law is not in conflict with more global laws controlling torture etc). So even here on earth we expect wrong behavior to be punished, even though the person doing it claim innocence. (I can't go to the UK and drive on "my" side of the road just because I am used to it, I am fairly certain the police would have a say in it, even if I claimed not to know).
 

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Jas 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death
1Co 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
 

John146

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The Apostle Paul says all have heard the preaching of the death, burial and resurrection.

my point was, the final judgement won't take place until all have had a chance to hear
and if you hear the gospel, and choose to reject, then you are no longer innocent

As for individuals "not knowing":
If you go to a foreign country, and break the law, even if it is unknowingly, society expects you to take your punishment
(as long as that law is not in conflict with more global laws controlling torture etc). So even here on earth we expect wrong behavior to be punished, even though the person doing it claim innocence. (I can't go to the UK and drive on "my" side of the road just because I am used to it, I am fairly certain the police would have a say in it, even if I claimed not to know).
 

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And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
in this verse " the end will come" does not mean the end of the ages,
but this can be the end of an era , like gospel of [the comming kingdom on earth]
not preached, starting the end of the end times maybe
 

John146

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We have to go back to the question the disciples asked: "and what shall be the sign of thy coming and the end of the world?"

in this verse " the end will come" does not mean the end of the ages,
but this can be the end of an era , like gospel of [the comming kingdom on earth]
not preached, starting the end of the end times maybe