Will Muslim Jihadists go to heaven?

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florian

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Thanks for all the answers. First of all I'd like to ensure everybody that I'm not a troll. I really think I can have some meaningful discussions here. Next, many people here seem to consider that Christ and his teachings are obvious for everyone. Well it's not quite the case.
Now I'd like you to postpone for a while my initial question and try to discuss the more general one: heaven for non-Christians. There are passages in Bible that talk about this, I don't have them handy but I'll find them. Until then there are several facts that we know:
1) There are people before Christ that were taken to heaven and, if you consider the Harrowing of Hell, a lot of them actually including Adam
2) There were, are and will be people who don't know Christ for various reasons. There are many of them actually but the number doesn't count, even only one would be enough. What happens with all these people, are they damned?
 
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Muslims serve Satan. thats why they cut peoples heads off.
 
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ChristInUs

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notsofast said:
It can't be proven that Muslims serve Satan. (No, I'm not a Muslim)
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Do they kill people that are not of their club? Do they behead Christians? then they serve Satan case closed.
 
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ChristInUs said:
Do they kill people that are not of their club? Do they behead Christians? then they serve Satan case closed.
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There are Christians slaughtering people in Africa as we speak. The case is not closed. :)
 
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ChristInUs

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New York public schools are honoring Muslim holidays. Shame on us.
 
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ChristInUs said:
New York public schools are honoring Muslim holidays. Shame on us.
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Why? Christ preached love. I have many Muslim friends that are filled with love in their hearts, just like us.
 
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florian said:
Hi everybody,
This is my first post here. I was looking for a place where I can ask some religious questions and here I am.
Now, back to the question. I think there is pretty much an agreement among Christians that not only (true) Christians will go to heaven but pagans too, and that includes Muslims for example. In order for them to be accepted in heaven they have to live a good life, so to speak. But now we have a problem. What exactly is "good"? For a Muslim who knows a different Jesus than Christians, "good" means obeying Muhammad's commandments which include killing people in the name of Islam. One such "good " Muslim is considered terrorist for the rest of the world. However for all he knows, he lives a good life.
Will he go to heaven?
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Catholic said Muslim is in the plan of salvation. Catholic is not christian.

DOGMATIC CONSTITUTION ON THE CHURCH
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SOLEMNLY PROMULGATED BY HIS HOLINESS
POPE PAUL VI
ON NOVEMBER 21, 1964

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16. Finally, those who have not yet received the Gospel are related in various ways to the people of God.(18*) In the first place we must recall the people to whom the testament and the promises were given and from whom Christ was born according to the flesh.(125) On account of their fathers this people remains most dear to God, for God does not repent of the gifts He makes nor of the calls He issues.(126) But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Muslims, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind.
 
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florian said:
What exactly is "good"? For a Muslim who knows a different Jesus than Christians, "good" means obeying Muhammad's commandments which include killing people in the name of Islam.
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Like Christians, not every Muslim believes in fundamentalism. So they no longer believe in killing in the name of Islam any more than you would chop off your right arm if it causes you to sin.
 
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notsofast said:
Like Christians, not every Muslim believes in fundamentalism. So they no longer believe in killing in the name of Islam any more than you would chop off your right arm if it causes you to sin.
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A Muslim fundamentalist will go to the teachings of Mohammed. A Christian fundamentalist will go to the teachings of Jesus.
The former will direct his disciple to kill the infidel, the latter directs His disciple to love the infidel (unbeliever). So please, enough with the moral equivalency.
 
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florian said:
Thanks for all the answers. First of all I'd like to ensure everybody that I'm not a troll. I really think I can have some meaningful discussions here. Next, many people here seem to consider that Christ and his teachings are obvious for everyone. Well it's not quite the case.
Now I'd like you to postpone for a while my initial question and try to discuss the more general one: heaven for non-Christians. There are passages in Bible that talk about this, I don't have them handy but I'll find them. Until then there are several facts that we know:
1) There are people before Christ that were taken to heaven and, if you consider the Harrowing of Hell, a lot of them actually including Adam
2) There were, are and will be people who don't know Christ for various reasons. There are many of them actually but the number doesn't count, even only one would be enough. What happens with all these people, are they damned?
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" There are passages in Bible that talk about this, I don't have them handy but I'll find them."

Please come back when you find these passages that totally change what the meaning of Christianity is about. That is:

Believing in Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour, and wanting to be with him for eternity. People who do not believe in Jesus, do not want to be with him for eternity, n'est-ce pas?
 
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Romans 2:14-15:
14 For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, 15 in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them,
16 on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus.
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All spirits return to GOD all flesh turns to dust now for ones soul to inherit life everlasting one must confess JESUS as LORD. For Christians it is more than making it into Heaven but living a life for CHRIST and accepting ALL that comes with it not a mere being good. Also there is no different jesus there is but ONE THE CHRIST.

Blessings!!!!!!!
 
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This passage is just showing that even the Gentiles had an awareness of God's standards even when they don't have the law. Just as no one can live a sinless life so both those who have the law and those who don't still wont reach God's standards and so are in need of a Saviour.

9 What shall we conclude then? Do we have any advantage? Not at all! For we have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under the power of sin. 10 As it is written:
“There is no one righteous, not even one; Romans 3V9-10


27 Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him. Hebrews 9 v27-28

We will all face God's judgement, those whose names are written in the book of life will receive eternal life. Those who name are in the book of life are those who have put their faith in Jesus.

11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them.12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the deadthat were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done.14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire. Revelation 20 V11-15


 
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florian said:
Now I'd like you to postpone for a while my initial question and try to discuss the more general one: heaven for non-Christians.
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Easy. Not possible. Next question?

florian said:
... there are several facts that we know:
1) There are people before Christ that were taken to heaven and, if you consider the Harrowing of Hell...
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Christ did not "descend into hell." That's a false teaching. There is a great deal of confusion in regards to this question. This concept comes primarily from the Apostles' Creed, which states, “He descended into hell.” There is no Scriptural evidence that is true. It is important to first understand what the Bible teaches about the realm of the dead, If Jesus went anywhere, it was to the "bosom of Abraham," which is heaven -- regardless of the fact many think reference is to "purgatory." That teaching, also, is nonsense. There is no such place.

florian said:
... a lot of them actually including Adam
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Don't know where you're getting this teaching, but it is patently false.

florian said:
2) There were, are and will be people who don't know Christ for various reasons. There are many of them actually but the number doesn't count, even only one would be enough. What happens with all these people, are they damned?
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Absolutely, beyond question.
 
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VioletReigns

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Ok, florian. I think I'm getting your drift.

Consider these truths:
The kingdom of heaven is a spiritual place.
The eternal spiritual realm is more tangible and more real than the carnal world we exist in presently.
Time is a figment of our imagination and serves no purpose in heaven.
All carnal wisdom, logic, reason, all aspects of science, space-time, bodily functions, etc. are temporary and not at all necessary in heaven.
No evil and no darkness can enter the kingdom of heaven.
No flesh/carnal thing can exist in heaven.
Anything that does not glorify God is done away with.
Jesus must know you (be acquainted with you intimately) in order for you to enter heaven.
If Jesus is not your intimate companion, you may not enter heaven.
It does not matter if you know Jesus, Jesus must know YOU intimately for you to spend eternity with Him.
No workers of iniquity (people who are wise in their own eyes) can enter heaven.
You must love unconditionally (including loving your enemies and the least of humanity) to enter heaven.

Actually, no man or woman can enter heaven by any efforts of their own. It is only through surrendering your logical mind to Christ Jesus and abandoning yourself to the Holy Spirit's control that you can even begin to "see" the truth. And even then, there are still awesome eternal things only God the Father comprehends and will reveal to us when we are face to face with Him.

All that said, I just trust Him because He is always faithful to me.
 
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