Will Some NonChristians (Unbelievers) Get to Heaven?
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Isn't a major Scriptural promise that believers will be with Christ forever? To me that means that "heaven" is wherever God is.
I agree with you about the New Earth - this will be where the New Jerusalem descends to - Rev. 20 .
The unsaved left to this Creation? Maybe, but things don't match up, really? Unbelievers will be in Gehenna (lake of fire) forever and ever. The current Earth is burned up, and the New Earth I think is then formed by God out of the old Earth.
I agree with you about the New Earth - this will be where the New Jerusalem descends to - Rev. 20 .
The unsaved left to this Creation? Maybe, but things don't match up, really? Unbelievers will be in Gehenna (lake of fire) forever and ever. The current Earth is burned up, and the New Earth I think is then formed by God out of the old Earth.
Yes, Billy Graham had something to say on this matter on utube ... Billy Graham speaks about this here:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=billy+graham+and+robert+schuller/
Also a discussion by leaders of the 3 Abrahamic faiths discuss this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFrgpeWh6tQ/
If the link does not work it is: Larry King + who goes to Heaven?
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=billy+graham+and+robert+schuller/
Also a discussion by leaders of the 3 Abrahamic faiths discuss this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFrgpeWh6tQ/
If the link does not work it is: Larry King + who goes to Heaven?
You have freedom in Christ Jesus to believe how you wish my dear sister in Christ Jesus. God bless you, and all of these men and women here.
I asked a man today, just about JEsus Christ returning, and I told him I don't believe he is going to return psychally, that He is already here with us now...
He didnt say much, all I said we are different but we are the same, because we are brother in Christ Jesus. He is good worker who just joined us a work, 35 years. Amazing how we can still love each other anyway, as human beings that we are.
Pray for his friend bryan thank you <3
I asked a man today, just about JEsus Christ returning, and I told him I don't believe he is going to return psychally, that He is already here with us now...
He didnt say much, all I said we are different but we are the same, because we are brother in Christ Jesus. He is good worker who just joined us a work, 35 years. Amazing how we can still love each other anyway, as human beings that we are.
Pray for his friend bryan thank you <3
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Any not in Christ are still in Adam. In Adam all die. They die the death of Adam. "Dust YOU are, and to dust YOU shall return"
"In the sweat of your face shall you eat bread, till you return unto the ground; for out of it were you taken: for dust you are, and unto dust shall you return." Gen 3:19
The ONLY WAY to life is to be in Christ. "In Christ ALL (all in Christ, not Adam) shall be made alive"
"For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive." 1 Cor 15:22
"In the sweat of your face shall you eat bread, till you return unto the ground; for out of it were you taken: for dust you are, and unto dust shall you return." Gen 3:19
The ONLY WAY to life is to be in Christ. "In Christ ALL (all in Christ, not Adam) shall be made alive"
"For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive." 1 Cor 15:22
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Everyone who goes to the great white throne will be cast to hell. No one makes it through.
Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God,[c] and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.[d]15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
Again, No one makes it through this judgment.
The following text, I believe, refer to the great white throne.
"And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt." Dan 12:2
"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.And the sea gave up the dead who were in it; and death and hades (the grave) delivered up the dead who were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.And death and hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire." Rev 20:13-15
Some who will awake from hades (the grave) shall awake to everlasting life. Some will awake from the grave to shame and contempt (of Christ) and will experience the second death.
"And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new." Rev 21:5
The throne of judgment will be at the end of the age(world) and will usher in the new age(world) which is the establishment of the kingdom of God upon the earth.
"And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt." Dan 12:2
"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.And the sea gave up the dead who were in it; and death and hades (the grave) delivered up the dead who were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.And death and hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire." Rev 20:13-15
Some who will awake from hades (the grave) shall awake to everlasting life. Some will awake from the grave to shame and contempt (of Christ) and will experience the second death.
"And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new." Rev 21:5
The throne of judgment will be at the end of the age(world) and will usher in the new age(world) which is the establishment of the kingdom of God upon the earth.
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I believe what I posted and what John said And what I highlighted so all could see.
1. Death and hades are DELIEVERED to christ for judgment
2. Death and Haded are judged
3. Death and Hades are found guilty and cast into hell. (Not written in the book of life)
Everyone will awake, not everyone wiull be delievered.
Here is the text of II Peter 3:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
It would seem to me that if there is going to be a "new earth" - then it will have some continuity with the old earth that is destroyed by "fervent heat". Otherwise it is not a new earth.
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The bible says, and christ promises all who are made children of God, that he will RESSURECT THEM. Thast he will return to recieve them, That he has delivered them.
John says those at the great white throne are delievered to him.
You can. Not be raised, delivered, ressurected BY GOD and then DELIEVERED to god, those are apposing things.
A criminal is delievered to the court. One who has been redeemed has been spared from his court day. Because his penalty has alreayd been “paid in full”
John says those at the great white throne are delievered to him.
You can. Not be raised, delivered, ressurected BY GOD and then DELIEVERED to god, those are apposing things.
A criminal is delievered to the court. One who has been redeemed has been spared from his court day. Because his penalty has alreayd been “paid in full”
Interesting take on it. I read new as meaning 'having nothing of the old'. The title Earth is all I believe the two creations share.
But you are right - we see this creation melt with fervent heat, and then we see both the lake of fire and the new earth. If one or the other were to be created from the melting with fervent heat, I would have to think that would be the lake of fire (continuity and all). But hey, that could just be me.
But you are right - we see this creation melt with fervent heat, and then we see both the lake of fire and the new earth. If one or the other were to be created from the melting with fervent heat, I would have to think that would be the lake of fire (continuity and all). But hey, that could just be me.
The planet earth will remain the planet earth, but everything on its surface will be burned up to make way for the New Earth.
You are quite mistaken about the Lake of Fire. First of all it was created long ago for the Devil and his angels, and secondly it is in "outer darkness" which definitely means not on earth but even outside of space (which is finite).
You are quite mistaken about the Lake of Fire. First of all it was created long ago for the Devil and his angels, and secondly it is in "outer darkness" which definitely means not on earth but even outside of space (which is finite).