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Matthew 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
Rv17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
Jesus is a king. And as you put it “in place of Christ” that makes the pope a king by your own words
Rv17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
Jesus is a king. And as you put it “in place of Christ” that makes the pope a king by your own words
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Originally Posted by talented7
Who is the antichrist? I always thought that it was more than one person. I don't believe that the antichrist will rule the whole world. Hopefully God will give us strong christian leaders in the day when he is about to come.
Yes and that will probably be him in strong Christian leadership for how else will he deceive us"
"By "him" do you mean the office of the anti-Christ - such that many hold that office at a time - or the one man super dispensationalist world ruler who is to appear only after the "church" has been raptured off the earth? The anti-Christ spirit (I John 4: 2) rejects Christ as the savior, and/or in some way denies his truths, often by mixing Christ with the shadows of Old Covenant ceremonial law. It is the office of the False Prophet which pretends to fully believe in Christ and his doctrines, but teaches false doctrines and another Gospel. And there are many False Prophets running around (Matthew 24; 11, Luke 6: 26, II Peter 2: 1 and I John 4:1).
Originally Posted by talented7
Who is the antichrist? I always thought that it was more than one person. I don't believe that the antichrist will rule the whole world. Hopefully God will give us strong christian leaders in the day when he is about to come.
Yes and that will probably be him in strong Christian leadership for how else will he deceive us"
"By "him" do you mean the office of the anti-Christ - such that many hold that office at a time - or the one man super dispensationalist world ruler who is to appear only after the "church" has been raptured off the earth? The anti-Christ spirit (I John 4: 2) rejects Christ as the savior, and/or in some way denies his truths, often by mixing Christ with the shadows of Old Covenant ceremonial law. It is the office of the False Prophet which pretends to fully believe in Christ and his doctrines, but teaches false doctrines and another Gospel. And there are many False Prophets running around (Matthew 24; 11, Luke 6: 26, II Peter 2: 1 and I John 4:1).
So here it is,
We set the stage we need a good guy and a villain.
The hero must defeat the villain, so then all will look to the good guy as a hero....
The twist is they were all in on it... The villain and his crew knew their place, he still played the part that would benefit them all.
You see each person is placed carefully on this stage, the audience is unaware they all bat for the same team, under different colours of course.
If any ego should step out of his role, he will be removed from the stage, we do not want to disturb the audience's viewing.
After all they are, who we want to convince that the good guy is a hero.
We set the stage we need a good guy and a villain.
The hero must defeat the villain, so then all will look to the good guy as a hero....
The twist is they were all in on it... The villain and his crew knew their place, he still played the part that would benefit them all.
You see each person is placed carefully on this stage, the audience is unaware they all bat for the same team, under different colours of course.
If any ego should step out of his role, he will be removed from the stage, we do not want to disturb the audience's viewing.
After all they are, who we want to convince that the good guy is a hero.
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None of those verses say we have possessed the kingdom and none of them say we have possessed the kingdom that Daniel spoke off.
Is Jesus a liar NO.
John18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
Matt4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
Luke17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
Is Jesus a liar NO.
John18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
Matt4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
Luke17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
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I actually agree with loveme1. You said not to take the book of Revelations literal, so how can you get upset and accusing loveme1 of an argument? Nor, do I believe loveme1 was disrespectful to you in the reply. It's okay to disagree but you really shouldn't get offended when you open yourself to it.
I would like to know from you, where in The Holy Bible does it tells us not to take the book of Revelations literal? Do you believe there is a literal hell or heaven? Or, is they just figurative to you?
I would like to know from you, where in The Holy Bible does it tells us not to take the book of Revelations literal? Do you believe there is a literal hell or heaven? Or, is they just figurative to you?
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I disagree . . . You are proudly promoting your doctrine and your belief. As, a strong believer of what you defend, then you should have no problem backing up what you say, you believe and you should be able to back it up with proof and not relying on what you think is truth without any form of proof to confirm that what you say is the truth.
So in reality the burden of proof, indeeds fall upon you.
You mention something about just throwing Bible verses out there, did you not? Well the same is true for you. I happen to agree with all of the post by peterT.
You have quoted 2 Tim, you really need to get an understanding of that verse, because it is very obvious to me that you really need to study the Word of God and not in your natural mind.
You need the help of the Holy Spirit to help you understand the Bible, because the Bible is the living Word of God. They are Spirit, and they are truth.
It takes the Spirit of God to give you understanding in the things of God. Who knows a better teacher of God's Word, than the Holy Spirit himself.
So in reality the burden of proof, indeeds fall upon you.
You mention something about just throwing Bible verses out there, did you not? Well the same is true for you. I happen to agree with all of the post by peterT.
You have quoted 2 Tim, you really need to get an understanding of that verse, because it is very obvious to me that you really need to study the Word of God and not in your natural mind.
You need the help of the Holy Spirit to help you understand the Bible, because the Bible is the living Word of God. They are Spirit, and they are truth.
It takes the Spirit of God to give you understanding in the things of God. Who knows a better teacher of God's Word, than the Holy Spirit himself.
With such a wide range of views how can we identify the Antichrist? because when you identify the antichrist most of the question will be easy to answer. Some were certain it was Adolf Hitler, some thought it was Gorge Bush, but they came and went. Is it a political power or a man or an alliance of people?
What does the Bible say?
2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
John states that there were many antichrists in the early church (those that taught misconceptions about Christ).
The term "Antichrist" only appears 4 times in the Bible and it literally means "instead of or in the place of Christ".
1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
The first Antichrist was Satan, It all stated when Lucifer wanted to be worshipped like Christ and take the place of Christ.
Mat 4:9 And saith unto him (Jesus), All these things will I (Satan) give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
Mat 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
In 2 Thes 2:1-4 it doesn't say antichrist but it fits the same discription.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Paul talking to the church in his day tells them that a falling away from the truth or true church would happen before the end and that the man of sin would be revealed, and that this man of sin would exalt himself above God and be worship as God or in Gods temple. Notice the "son of perdition", the other place someone is called the son of perdition is in John 17:12 Jesus is referring to Judas Iscariot. This tells me the Antichrist will be in the church.
The antichrist is someone or something that wants power and authority more than they want Christ, and will use the church to do this.
I can't go through all the details about the Antichrist but i will ask you to compare scripture.
Look at the following verse and see if they are describing the same power from different angles;
Dan 7= the Little horn;
Rev 13 = the first beast
Rev 17 = Babylon
There are many antichrist's today in different places, but the one that we are directed to, is referred to as a little horn in Daniel 7, a Beast in Rev 13, and Babylon in Rev 17. It is the same power just described from different angles, and this is the Antichrist that we should be worried about.
What does the Bible say?
2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
John states that there were many antichrists in the early church (those that taught misconceptions about Christ).
The term "Antichrist" only appears 4 times in the Bible and it literally means "instead of or in the place of Christ".
1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
The first Antichrist was Satan, It all stated when Lucifer wanted to be worshipped like Christ and take the place of Christ.
Mat 4:9 And saith unto him (Jesus), All these things will I (Satan) give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
Mat 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
In 2 Thes 2:1-4 it doesn't say antichrist but it fits the same discription.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Paul talking to the church in his day tells them that a falling away from the truth or true church would happen before the end and that the man of sin would be revealed, and that this man of sin would exalt himself above God and be worship as God or in Gods temple. Notice the "son of perdition", the other place someone is called the son of perdition is in John 17:12 Jesus is referring to Judas Iscariot. This tells me the Antichrist will be in the church.
The antichrist is someone or something that wants power and authority more than they want Christ, and will use the church to do this.
I can't go through all the details about the Antichrist but i will ask you to compare scripture.
Look at the following verse and see if they are describing the same power from different angles;
Dan 7= the Little horn;
Rev 13 = the first beast
Rev 17 = Babylon
There are many antichrist's today in different places, but the one that we are directed to, is referred to as a little horn in Daniel 7, a Beast in Rev 13, and Babylon in Rev 17. It is the same power just described from different angles, and this is the Antichrist that we should be worried about.
The Man of Sin will be the one who is at the head of the table bringing GREAT supernatural false Peace to fleshly Israel and her enemies... the whole world will 'marvel' after this mans charisma and charm, and that Treaty will be 7 years. Those who are CAUGHT in the Hour of Trial, Daniels 70th Week, wont know they are even in it.. or something is going on because of the STRONG DELUSION, for them to believe a Lie, that is sent to the earth to fulfill His Word. The Only Way they will know something is 'up' is by the Preaching and Warnings and Torment the 2 Witnesses display during the first 3.5 years of Daniels 70th week. Those here and following the Man of Sin, those apart of the Global Apostate Whore, will have one 'goal' or vision, to Create an Eden of God , here on this earth, as they take the fruit of the Corrupt One, one last time. God will let them run with it, but out those multitudes He is going to Harvest souls as His Judgment begins to fall and His Wrath, and then the wrath of the Dragon the last 3.5 years of Daniels 70th week, as he seeks to 'uphold his throne' after getting kicked out of the Heavens. He will want world wide worship as his 'eden' he tried to Mimic thru the Whore is judged.. the Blood bath that comes from that timeframe, will make world war 2 look purdy small. The reason the multitudes follow the Dragon , the man of Sin, is because of the false signs and wonders done during that Time to 'deceive' those on the earth, these whose names are NOT WRITTEN in the Lambs Book of Life. the Great Whore, the false church, the first 3.5 years , will implement a 'pharmaceutical drugging progam' behavior control meds, to medicate anybody that resists or doesnt fall in line with the 'whores' christ like Image' it will hold out......
2 Gospels being heralded during Daniels 70th Week,
the Gospel of the Kingdom-----> Repent and Believe the Good News, the Kingdom is Returning from Heaven in Power and Glory in stark Contrast to
the gospel of the 'false bride' the Great Whore, --------------> building a man made kingdom or 'eden'.. in the name of a counterfeit christ, the man of sin. who will 3.5 years in manifest his true spiritual nature, the devil incarnate.
'hath God really said He is returning?' you can build your own Eden, man will take this 'lie' and Run with it.. because God allows him/her and He sends Strong Delusion for them to 'believe' it.. that Sandy Foundation of the coming 'eden' is being laid as I type this out..
The Man of Sin will NOT BE REVEALED TO THIS PLANET until He that Lets is removed.... ONLY AND ONLY then is he allowed to fulfill the Word of God. Until that time, the Mystery of Iniquity still continues to 'blow' across the globe shoring up that sandy foundation, upon , which man will attempt to build his/her own Eden or kingdom of god on this earth. It will be Judged in the end.. along with those follow it and adhere to it, and those who follow the 'false king' of that earthly eden, presented to mankind... INdeed!
2 Gospels being heralded during Daniels 70th Week,
the Gospel of the Kingdom-----> Repent and Believe the Good News, the Kingdom is Returning from Heaven in Power and Glory in stark Contrast to
the gospel of the 'false bride' the Great Whore, --------------> building a man made kingdom or 'eden'.. in the name of a counterfeit christ, the man of sin. who will 3.5 years in manifest his true spiritual nature, the devil incarnate.
'hath God really said He is returning?' you can build your own Eden, man will take this 'lie' and Run with it.. because God allows him/her and He sends Strong Delusion for them to 'believe' it.. that Sandy Foundation of the coming 'eden' is being laid as I type this out..
The Man of Sin will NOT BE REVEALED TO THIS PLANET until He that Lets is removed.... ONLY AND ONLY then is he allowed to fulfill the Word of God. Until that time, the Mystery of Iniquity still continues to 'blow' across the globe shoring up that sandy foundation, upon , which man will attempt to build his/her own Eden or kingdom of god on this earth. It will be Judged in the end.. along with those follow it and adhere to it, and those who follow the 'false king' of that earthly eden, presented to mankind... INdeed!