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Originally Posted by watchmen
Sure we can.
Matthew 7
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Sure we can.
Matthew 7
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
To give some clarification as to the kind of things that you consider to be good fruit, I will repost and perhaps others can comment on the kind of fruit that Jesus was referring to in (Mt 7:20). There is good fruit and we should know what that it and their is evil fruit and we should also know what that is as well.
quote: How do you know that you are in and doing the will of God at this present time? What is the fruit that would demonstrate that you are in the will of God? Is the fruit, you pointing out the sins and shortcomings of others? Is it the fruit, you judging who is saved and who is not? Is the fruit, those that live holy and those who do not? I thought that love was the fruit of the Spirit, that believes all things and hopes all things and endures all things and doesn't think evil of any man. I thought that joy was the fruit of love, that peace, longsuffering, gentleness and goodness was the fruit of the Holy Spirit in our lives. I thought giving a cup of cold water in the name of a disciple was the fruit of loving your neighbor. I thought believing the best and building up the brethren was the fruit of grace. I thought that taking the blame for another man's guilt was the fruit of mercy'.
You say that you are always instructed by the Holy Spirit then you must bear the fruit of the one you are instructed by. You have chided others for not having the Holy Spirit and saying things that were not of God. You told imoss that she was saved and I ask you, do you say the same of me? Am I living in unrepented sin or am I confessed up to date with the sin I have been convicted of by the Holy Spirit and walking in the newness of life and in the will of the Father? Do you know if God has given me grace when I sinned to restore me in my walk and fellowship with Him? If I sin is it any of your business other then to love me and cover me and be led by God to restore me if that is necessary?
As a believer- priest we can approach God through the blood of Christ and be restored because Christ is our mediator and advocate. We don't point out people's sins when they fail, we point them to Christ so they can be restored by grace. I hope and pray that God would grant you repentance through His goodness, so that that you can go back and learn it all over again as a child, so that you can be rightly related to God through grace, through His mercy, through the love of the Spirit, through the comfort of the scriptures, through the fruit of the Holy Spirit, through unfeigned (pure) love for the brethren and through a sound mind and heart that is established in the grace and truth of Jesus Christ.
quote: How do you know that you are in and doing the will of God at this present time? What is the fruit that would demonstrate that you are in the will of God? Is the fruit, you pointing out the sins and shortcomings of others? Is it the fruit, you judging who is saved and who is not? Is the fruit, those that live holy and those who do not? I thought that love was the fruit of the Spirit, that believes all things and hopes all things and endures all things and doesn't think evil of any man. I thought that joy was the fruit of love, that peace, longsuffering, gentleness and goodness was the fruit of the Holy Spirit in our lives. I thought giving a cup of cold water in the name of a disciple was the fruit of loving your neighbor. I thought believing the best and building up the brethren was the fruit of grace. I thought that taking the blame for another man's guilt was the fruit of mercy'.
You say that you are always instructed by the Holy Spirit then you must bear the fruit of the one you are instructed by. You have chided others for not having the Holy Spirit and saying things that were not of God. You told imoss that she was saved and I ask you, do you say the same of me? Am I living in unrepented sin or am I confessed up to date with the sin I have been convicted of by the Holy Spirit and walking in the newness of life and in the will of the Father? Do you know if God has given me grace when I sinned to restore me in my walk and fellowship with Him? If I sin is it any of your business other then to love me and cover me and be led by God to restore me if that is necessary?
As a believer- priest we can approach God through the blood of Christ and be restored because Christ is our mediator and advocate. We don't point out people's sins when they fail, we point them to Christ so they can be restored by grace. I hope and pray that God would grant you repentance through His goodness, so that that you can go back and learn it all over again as a child, so that you can be rightly related to God through grace, through His mercy, through the love of the Spirit, through the comfort of the scriptures, through the fruit of the Holy Spirit, through unfeigned (pure) love for the brethren and through a sound mind and heart that is established in the grace and truth of Jesus Christ.
I personally disagree with this idea of living our lives is the best witness.
I believe the best witness is not how we live our lives, but to actually declare the Gospel.
If we make our lives to tbe witness, that is giving people the testimony of ourselves. But the Gospel is the testimony of Christ.
We don't want people to be looking towards us and expect to see Christ. At the extreme, you will appear to be one of those crazy Jesus freaks who cannot relate socially with other people, or they may not notice you living any different to a devote Muslim. At worse, if you life isn't that crash hot, when they look at your life they may see your mistakes and shortcomings, and not think very much of it.
If they look to your life only as a good example and testimony of Christ, and then you stuff up, and their hopes and faith is shattered, what then?
I believe the best witness is not how we live our lives, but to actually declare the Gospel.
If we make our lives to tbe witness, that is giving people the testimony of ourselves. But the Gospel is the testimony of Christ.
We don't want people to be looking towards us and expect to see Christ. At the extreme, you will appear to be one of those crazy Jesus freaks who cannot relate socially with other people, or they may not notice you living any different to a devote Muslim. At worse, if you life isn't that crash hot, when they look at your life they may see your mistakes and shortcomings, and not think very much of it.
If they look to your life only as a good example and testimony of Christ, and then you stuff up, and their hopes and faith is shattered, what then?
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Hello 1still_waters,
thanks for ur opinon,I was watching a tv program,with kirk cameron,"the way of the Master ,its on tbn,excellent program,they quote so many scriptures,i have learned so much.but the way they witness on the show,they approach the person,ask them Heaven or hell?they usually say,Heaven I hope.then he asks,"Have u ever sinned in ur whole life'?n then they would say i think so.i'm not sure.he would ask "have u ever told a lie"?they would say YES,he'd say,"have u ever stoled something"?they say probably,He ask,"have u ever liked at a person with lust"?they say many times,He'd ask "Have u ever used God's name in vain"?they would say probably.than he'd say,Ok so far u have told that u r a liar,theft,adulterer,blasphemy,so tell me Heaven or hell,they usually say hell,he tells them that Christ died for ur sins,n if u repent n change from ur sinful ways,u will go to Heaven.
so what do u think abt this concept?
God bless
ur sister in Christ
DJ
btw go to www.wayofthemaster.com they help u to witness to the lost
thanks for ur opinon,I was watching a tv program,with kirk cameron,"the way of the Master ,its on tbn,excellent program,they quote so many scriptures,i have learned so much.but the way they witness on the show,they approach the person,ask them Heaven or hell?they usually say,Heaven I hope.then he asks,"Have u ever sinned in ur whole life'?n then they would say i think so.i'm not sure.he would ask "have u ever told a lie"?they would say YES,he'd say,"have u ever stoled something"?they say probably,He ask,"have u ever liked at a person with lust"?they say many times,He'd ask "Have u ever used God's name in vain"?they would say probably.than he'd say,Ok so far u have told that u r a liar,theft,adulterer,blasphemy,so tell me Heaven or hell,they usually say hell,he tells them that Christ died for ur sins,n if u repent n change from ur sinful ways,u will go to Heaven.
so what do u think abt this concept?
God bless
ur sister in Christ
DJ
btw go to www.wayofthemaster.com they help u to witness to the lost
That's true, but what I said was for those who think they can only just live a good life and expect people to be falling on their knees in repentance around them due to their perfect lives and little halo on their head. It doesn't happen like that at all.
There are moral atheists and godly muslims around who live great moral lives and are held in high regard by men. Some even more righteous than the average Christian (self-righteousness, of course). So the Christian is competing with these and thats why living a good life will not save many.
Even if our life doesn't match our words, and truly, I don't know many christians who are that perfect, we can still declare the Gospel as God's mouthpiece.
In the biblical concept of witnessing, witnessing does not mean testifying of what God has done in your life. It means witnessing the cross of Christ. And the early witnesses, the disciples, were real witnesses of Christ crucified, as they saw it with their own eyes.
When we say to someone "look what Christ has done in my life", they may reply, "yes, so and so Muslim has had the same or similar effect, or so and so Hare Krishna has found peace and joy in their life too".
There are moral atheists and godly muslims around who live great moral lives and are held in high regard by men. Some even more righteous than the average Christian (self-righteousness, of course). So the Christian is competing with these and thats why living a good life will not save many.
Even if our life doesn't match our words, and truly, I don't know many christians who are that perfect, we can still declare the Gospel as God's mouthpiece.
In the biblical concept of witnessing, witnessing does not mean testifying of what God has done in your life. It means witnessing the cross of Christ. And the early witnesses, the disciples, were real witnesses of Christ crucified, as they saw it with their own eyes.
When we say to someone "look what Christ has done in my life", they may reply, "yes, so and so Muslim has had the same or similar effect, or so and so Hare Krishna has found peace and joy in their life too".
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I really can't except that,I'm sorry.I love to b called a Jesus freak,I am so proud.n if people can't handle it than I just pray for them,I think its a chicken way out for people like u.Jesus was put down n snared by many,Y shouldn't we be.the bible says u will no who the christians are,by their fruits.what we do for Jesus.witness is important,but don't push,tell them what Jesus did for them n God will do the conviction.God bless DJ
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Thank so much for clearing that up for me,u r so right i am so sorry,but i do believe its by are fruits,testamonies,n Christ dying on the cross for ur sins,is a total package for unbelievers.God has giving me so many blessings,my 22 yo son saved from drinking n drugs n he is witnessing to people n his family,by his letters.n i broke my ankle in 3 places n had surgery,but God made me stronger thru my trials.people around me see that n see the change God has done in my life.Its a pleasure when anyone say"she is to much of a christian,i no i am doing my job right,and all for the glory of the Lord Jesus Christ.God bless DJ
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