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Jesus said in matt 24 that it will be so great, all flesh on earth would die if he did not put an end to it.
WW2 was noth spiritual and political (You forgot the jewish delima which was spiritual in nature) it could easily be said more jews did under htler than they did under rome. If we think the atrocited that anyone in the concen tration camps were nto severe. We need ot restudy history
This is not even to mention the tribulation the war itself caused on most of the earth. But even then, All life on earth was nto threatened. But we did witness the first use of the future creation of mankind that will threaten all life on earth. And what many are starting to see as the main even whcih causes jesus to return (all the major powers on earth pushed the button and launched their nukes) Which would end all life on earth.
I wonder if the Nations are bringing judgment on themselves and in the book of Revelations God takes the blame since He did at the cross, or if the nations don't need God's final judgment and will decide they can do it themselves.
 

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I'm actually surprised at the understanding, coming out in responses, after I let go and gave up the post: something overlooked the nuclear war could be the rapture, I'm not saying though, no need to jump on this like a chicken on a bug. I think those who overcome the world, "for the elect sake those days shall be shortened."
 
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I wonder if the Nations are bringing judgment on themselves and in the book of Revelations God takes the blame since He did at the cross, or if the nations don't need God's final judgment and will decide they can do it themselves.
If you look at the OT. God uses nations to pour out his wrath on Israel.

God will just use nations in the tribulation to do what they want to do. And in doing so, Use that to pour out his wrath on mankind.

Basically, the way I understand, is he removes his hands of protection, and not allowing all out evil to spread, And this causes all out evil to run rampant, wich no interdiction from God, until the end.

Basically, He is doing what mankind wanted in the begining, Let them rule the world. And prove to man for all creation, that we are not as great as we think we are.. We will destroy the earth if we allowed to run free.. because all we want is power. And will go to any lengths to gain that power even if it means our own destruction.
 

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If you look at the OT. God uses nations to pour out his wrath on Israel.

God will just use nations in the tribulation to do what they want to do. And in doing so, Use that to pour out his wrath on mankind.

Basically, the way I understand, is he removes his hands of protection, and not allowing all out evil to spread, And this causes all out evil to run rampant, wich no interdiction from God, until the end.

Basically, He is doing what mankind wanted in the begining, Let them rule the world. And prove to man for all creation, that we are not as great as we think we are.. We will destroy the earth if we allowed to run free.. because all we want is power. And will go to any lengths to gain that power even if it means our own destruction.
Then you agree with me that what appears to be God's wrath in Revelation is God removing His hand, could mean removing the Saints, though we are the feet of Jesus and not His hand: not our work, but His message. "How beautiful on the mountains are the feet of Him who brings good news." In Acts 4 they prayed "Stretch out your hand to heal," just to mention we are not the hand of God, Jesus is, but we are His feet: He washed His feet at the last supper. Its easy to jump to conclusion, it sais "Wow to them that are with child and to nursing babes in those days," Churches that kept children dependant on Mother, and babes who placed their security in the church more than God, have not grown to be led by the Spirit. Seems to be those saying don't worry you'll be taken out of trouble.
 
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I have to reply because you brought up interesting questions? World war 2 was the beginning of the restoration of the daily sacrifice of Praise, I mentioned this already earlier. There are 2 mentions of the daily, taken away by the beast in Daniel. The first mention, 2,300 days, close to the length of the war but not about the length of the war: about the length of time Christians were deceived to serve earthly governments at war. The next time the daily is taken away (the word sacrifice was added for explanation and also served to confuse Christians to think there had to be a rebuilding of an earthly temple again to fulfil prophesy) is in Daniel 12, in the final time of trouble such as never was and never again. One thing is needful to interpret correctly: to sit at the feet of Jesus and forget what you think you know and your old life and turn your life to the Lord; guard your heart against pride of achievement when you get a glimpse of more light, as you feel like you have attained but its only the beginning and if you fall into pride you may have to go around in the wilderness like Israel, and like me: I met the Lord 41 years ago. In less than the first year, the Lord told me: Your going to fall that you may learn to continually repent. If your a slow learner like me, don't feel bad most of us are, even His own disciples.
I do not think the use of temporal corrupted Jewish flesh in parables involving types as shadows are still in used or any flesh. We do not wrestle against flesh and blood and neither can it profit as a spiritual work . There could be no use for temples made with human hands.. God is no longer bringing new revelations to confirm he has spoken and that includes the manner of parables using the flesh as a metaphor. That possibility is sealed up with seven seals till the end of time. Seven the number of perfection or completion. We walk by that faith found in the book of faith, revealing the law of faith, the Bible.

Psalm 40:7Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,

The time of reformation came over 2000 literal years go. The government of the church, Christ's bride was returned to a previous time period when there were no kings as a outward representation . That corrupted nation refused to walk by faith after a invisible King of kings. They have become jealous of the surrounding pagan nations that walked by sight. God gave them over temporally to do that which they should not of do. To this day many Jews remain under the strong delusion sent from God.. This was placing a thing seen a king like other nations having him stand in the holy unseen place of God, the abomination of desecration. The reformation restored that power to deceive men as the lust of the eye, lust of the flesh producing the false pride of this life.

2 Corinthians 5:7(For we walk by faith, not by sight:)


I look at the beginning of the end times or last days doctrine differently not putting any emphasize on the flesh of any nation. the veil is rent.

We are informed that we do not know each other after the flesh (what the eyes see) even though some did with the Son of man Jesus.Jeus resisted worship in respect to hid flesh. He gave glory to the unseen father as only God not seen is good.. We today are commanded that we know Him that way no more.(outward appearance) He is not a man as us. Jewish or Hebrew is reckoned the same of all flesh of mankind. No difference between a Jew and a Gentle. Its not political warfare as what the eyes see. If Jesus says of His own flesh it does not profit why would any person Jew, or Gentile think the rest we do have of His sabbath had to do with the things seen rather than the unseen pouring out His Spirit?

Proverbs 1:23Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.

Joel 2:28And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

Pouring out of His spirit as if it was literal blood/Literal blood without the spirt has no life. The one time demonstration is over.

From my experiences many treat the reformation as it never came and things did not get restored.

The time of reformation came over two thousand years ago we are in the last days Jacobs trouble. Restoring the kingdom of God that does no come by observation heavenly perspective. At that time The Holy Spirit had fullfed all the shadows that had todo with the temporal flesh of a Jew.. God is no longer using the flesh of nation in parables

So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision. Dan 8:17

The time of the end speaks of the last day.
 
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I've been wanting to watch this video for some time.but kept forgetting about it.Years ago the Lord was showing me things.Back then I had no understanding of what was happening and really,I just wanted to 'wake' up from the nightmare that was my life at the time.A lot of it was end times stuff.
Like the Lord sending people over my house.They would come over and be surprised that the lights were working,and to me it was no big deal.After a while it made me wonder why they kept asking.So I asked the Lord "why is everybody asking about the lights?" and finally someone said "should we tell him?"They said it was a EMP. They acted shocked that I didn't know.I asked by who?This might be wrong because I'm not 100% sure I remembered correctly,I do recall not believing it, because the country didn't seem like a threat.But the Lord told me that they let it happen.governments let it happen.it's North Korea.

The testimony of the Two Witnesses is soon after.In 144,000 temples across the world.
 
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I've been wanting to watch this video for some time.but kept forgetting about it.Years ago the Lord was showing me things.Back then I had no understanding of what was happening and really,I just wanted to 'wake' up from the nightmare that was my life at the time.A lot of it was end times stuff.
Like the Lord sending people over my house.They would come over and be surprised that the lights were working,and to me it was no big deal.After a while it made me wonder why they kept asking.So I asked the Lord "why is everybody asking about the lights?" and finally someone said "should we tell him?"They said it was a EMP. They acted shocked that I didn't know.I asked by who?This might be wrong because I'm not 100% sure I remembered correctly,I do recall not believing it, because the country didn't seem like a threat.But the Lord told me that they let it happen.governments let it happen.it's North Korea.

The testimony of the Two Witnesses is soon after.In 144,000 temples across the world.
What would a EMP have to do with the gospel and two witnesses?

Remember God is no longer bringing any new revelations after any manner to include dreams or visitations from men. He has sealed up that possibility with seven seals. Experience is not the validator of spiritual truths . God's word as it is written alone is.
 
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What would a EMP have to do with the gospel and two witnesses?

Remember God is no longer bringing any new revelations after any manner to include dreams or visitations from men. He has sealed up that possibility with seven seals. Experience is not the validator of spiritual truths . God's word as it is written alone is.

When did God do something new and not include dreams,visitations.Happens throughout the Bible and suddenly stops?
The EMP happens because Satan will try and stop the testimony of the Two Witnesses.It's funny because he would be playing right into Gods hands.Gods might will be shown.
In war,it's best to keep the pubic in the dark.It make sense that the enemy would use a EMP.Not only that,the Bible does testify to it.REV 11 TO 14.
 
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When did God do something new and not include dreams,visitations.Happens throughout the Bible and suddenly stops?
He stopped suddenly when he inspired the last words to John moving him to record the word of God, prophecy..... adding a terrible warning to those who ignore the warning not to add or substract from the whole or the perfect .Up until then having it in part. It now that we have the whole is now sealed up till the end of time with seven seals . We use the perfect or complete as away of trying the spirits to see if they are of men or God. It would seem you believe they are of men as false prophecy.

True prophets declare the exiting perfect will of God as prophecy. It would be impossible to deceive them who refuse to go above that which is written

The EMP happens because Satan will try and stop the testimony of the Two Witnesses. It's funny because he would be playing right into Gods hands.Gods might will be shown.
Emp technology like all new technology has become the new age old age god of this world .Its like this computer chip technology changing into signs and lying wonders as the kind the evil generation natural unconverted man seeks after.

In war,it's best to keep the pubic in the dark.It make sense that the enemy would use a EMP.Not only that,the Bible does testify to it.REV 11 TO 14.
Yes Christ will come as a thief in the night. Those trusting Emp technology are zapped out of existence...shocking but true. .
 
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He stopped suddenly when he inspired the last words to John moving him to record the word of God, prophecy..... adding a terrible warning to those who ignore the warning not to add or substract from the whole or the perfect .Up until then having it in part. It now that we have the whole is now sealed up till the end of time with seven seals . We use the perfect or complete as away of trying the spirits to see if they are of men or God. It would seem you believe they are of men as false prophecy.

True prophets declare the exiting perfect will of God as prophecy. It would be impossible to deceive them who refuse to go above that which is written



Emp technology like all new technology has become the new age old age god of this world .Its like this computer chip technology changing into signs and lying wonders as the kind the evil generation natural unconverted man seeks after.



Yes Christ will come as a thief in the night. Those trusting Emp technology are zapped out of existence...shocking but true. .
Everything God had shown me was backed up by scripture.Which I didn't believe as truth because I wasn't a Christian at the time.It was only after submitting and reading the Bible did I realize everything he spoken or showed was truth.True prophecy is backed up by the Two Witnesses.
And yes,he does give revelations that come in dreams,visitations.When he doe's,you'll know its truth because it'll be backed up by scripture.
The EMP is a weapon of war,which the dragon uses on the world to prevent prophecy from being fulfilled.I'm not adding anything.
 

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Everything God had shown me was backed up by scripture.Which I didn't believe as truth because I wasn't a Christian at the time.It was only after submitting and reading the Bible did I realize everything he spoken or showed was truth.True prophecy is backed up by the Two Witnesses.
And yes,he does give revelations that come in dreams,visitations.When he doe's,you'll know its truth because it'll be backed up by scripture.
The EMP is a weapon of war,which the dragon uses on the world to prevent prophecy from being fulfilled.I'm not adding anything.
A verse that confirms what your saying, "Behold darkness comes on the earth and gross darkness on the people, but light is risen on you." Those who walk in the Light get more Light. Your the first I hear calling the work of the enemy emp, lets se how we can interpret that, E for enemy M for master of deception, P for plan. You will get misunderstanding by those trapped in their understanding, don't let that bother you. The enemy uses fear to keep people in bondage. God gives us the Grace we need, its up to up to learn to persevere, to get up and go on. I encourage you to continue speaking in riddles, after all, if we speak plainly people think they understand. "Lean not on your understanding but trust in the Lord." Yes we are entering dark times, to learn to stay close to the Lord.
 
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Everything God had shown me was backed up by scripture.Which I didn't believe as truth because I wasn't a Christian at the time.It was only after submitting and reading the Bible did I realize everything he spoken or showed was truth.True prophecy is backed up by the Two Witnesses.
And yes,he does give revelations that come in dreams,visitations.When he doe's,you'll know its truth because it'll be backed up by scripture.
The EMP is a weapon of war,which the dragon uses on the world to prevent prophecy from being fulfilled.I'm not adding anything.
Who told you the EMP is a weapon of war, which the dragon uses on the world to prevent prophecy from being fulfilled? Where they receiving new prophecy that can be added to the Bible?

And prevent what prophecy being fulfilled . .The idea of EMP weapon of mass destruction?

I'm not adding anything.
Where is it written if you are not adding?
 
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Where in scripture does it say go to the internet YouTube me for there I will be found????

First of all we have a God of order......why would he give someone a dream out of context?
Second ....we are saved by grace......saved from what?......the wrath which is to come.
Third....we are born again from above......a new creature in Christ Jesus who presents us spotless before God.
Forth ....we are not appointed to wrath.
Fifth.....the second coming of Christ has nothing to do with the gentiles......the saints come with him.
Sixth....the rapture is not the second coming.....Christ is not seen when the event takes place.........he comes as a thief in the night.
Seventh....Paul talks of something that is removed that holds back the full force of evil just before the tribulation begins.....that my friend is the Holy Ghost.....with out him there is no true church.

There will be some that will survive with out the mark and enter into the thousand yr period....but that is why Satan is loosed for a season. For after seeing what they have seen and knowing what they have known many chose to rebel again.

For the Lord said....It's not by power or might but by my spirit says the Lord.
 
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Who told you the EMP is a weapon of war, which the dragon uses on the world to prevent prophecy from being fulfilled? Where they receiving new prophecy that can be added to the Bible?

And prevent what prophecy being fulfilled . .The idea of EMP weapon of mass destruction?



Where is it written if you are not adding?
You mean you missed the part where God says a electromagnetic pulse device will knock out all our electronics?