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the woman in chapter 12 is Israel being protrayed as a picture of mary who gives birth to the messiah Jesus christ who is now in heaven untill he returns to rule on davids throne
as for why there is no woman on the beast in 12 it seems to be talking about a earlier time before the 7 year tribulation and the woman has not yet come to power yet however i do think both the beasts are the same
so i think ch 12 vs 4-5 are before the trib hovever i think vs 6 is the last 3.5 years of the trib and i think vs 7,8,9 are also probably before the trib
as for the woman in chater 17 i have no idea who she is but she is definitely not the same woman as in chapter 12
but she will oboviously be very imoral and very powerfull and i think she will have her power some time in the 7year trib probibly the last 3.5
as for why there is no woman on the beast in 12 it seems to be talking about a earlier time before the 7 year tribulation and the woman has not yet come to power yet however i do think both the beasts are the same
so i think ch 12 vs 4-5 are before the trib hovever i think vs 6 is the last 3.5 years of the trib and i think vs 7,8,9 are also probably before the trib
as for the woman in chater 17 i have no idea who she is but she is definitely not the same woman as in chapter 12
but she will oboviously be very imoral and very powerfull and i think she will have her power some time in the 7year trib probibly the last 3.5
E
If you look at ch 12. The beast is the woman's enemy, and is protected By God himself. We also notice the beast has been her enemy since the birth of Christ. she would never ride on him.
If you look at 17, The woman gets its power from the beast. She gets her riches from him. She is also the enemy of the woman of chapter 12. so she is the beasts ally, Then you see that the beast itself destroys the woman.
then we must ask ourselves. Why do Ally's who have a common enemy destroy each other?
as for the 42 months not mentioned. I don't think it matters. Chapter 17 is a time period which exceeds the 42 months. it may even precede the 42 moths. As the beast is setting up his kingdom. and one of the things he needs to do is destroy the woman who holds such great power she could appose his kingdom. Especially if, as many believe, She thinks she is the true Bride of the man trhe first woman gave birth too. She would radically appose the beast.
If you look at 17, The woman gets its power from the beast. She gets her riches from him. She is also the enemy of the woman of chapter 12. so she is the beasts ally, Then you see that the beast itself destroys the woman.
then we must ask ourselves. Why do Ally's who have a common enemy destroy each other?
as for the 42 months not mentioned. I don't think it matters. Chapter 17 is a time period which exceeds the 42 months. it may even precede the 42 moths. As the beast is setting up his kingdom. and one of the things he needs to do is destroy the woman who holds such great power she could appose his kingdom. Especially if, as many believe, She thinks she is the true Bride of the man trhe first woman gave birth too. She would radically appose the beast.
L
Also notice chapter 13 and the similarities to the woman of Rev 17.
1) The woman in 17 sits on many waters, the 1st beast in Rev 13 comes out of the sea.
2) The woman in 17 has the name Babylon, the 1st beast of Rev 13 is a composite beast with Babylon in it.
3) The woman in 17 is drunken with the blood of saints, the 1st beast in 13 makes war with the saints
The beast in Rev 12 was in existence before Christ was born while the 1st beast in Rev 13 was not. The 1st beast in Rev 13 continued for 42 months then received a wound. Rev 17 would be after the 42 months has ended because it is a plague angel that gives John the message showing the judgement of the woman who is the same as the 1st beast that makes war with the saints
1) The woman in 17 sits on many waters, the 1st beast in Rev 13 comes out of the sea.
2) The woman in 17 has the name Babylon, the 1st beast of Rev 13 is a composite beast with Babylon in it.
3) The woman in 17 is drunken with the blood of saints, the 1st beast in 13 makes war with the saints
The beast in Rev 12 was in existence before Christ was born while the 1st beast in Rev 13 was not. The 1st beast in Rev 13 continued for 42 months then received a wound. Rev 17 would be after the 42 months has ended because it is a plague angel that gives John the message showing the judgement of the woman who is the same as the 1st beast that makes war with the saints
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The problem with this thinking is that the beast in rev 13 is satan. The beast in rev 17 is given power by satan. Satan is in both.
The woman in 13 is hidden for 3 1/2 and protected. The woman in 17 we are not told when she is destroyed. But logic has it that she is destroyed before the 3 1/2 because the beast would have to fight babylon as well as the offspring of the women in 13.
Remember, the harlot thinks she is the true bride. She would not worship the beast after he commits the abomination, because she would then know who he is.
The woman in 13 is hidden for 3 1/2 and protected. The woman in 17 we are not told when she is destroyed. But logic has it that she is destroyed before the 3 1/2 because the beast would have to fight babylon as well as the offspring of the women in 13.
Remember, the harlot thinks she is the true bride. She would not worship the beast after he commits the abomination, because she would then know who he is.
P
I have read that too somewhere.
But I have always understood it like this.
Rv12 the devil is cast out so the woman fled into the wilderness for 1260 day 3 ½ years.
As soon as he knew he was cast out, he persecuted the woman for a time, and times, and half a time,3 ½ years.
This goes along with Rv11 the two end time witnesses preach for 1260 days 3 ½ years. Or 42 months 3 ½ years
And it goes along with Rv13 and he had power for 42 months 3 ½ years.
Great tribulation 3 ½ years
Red dragon the devil cast out for 3 ½ years Rv12.
I know this maybe a bit simple for some, but that’s what it says if you don’t change it.
But I have always understood it like this.
Rv12 the devil is cast out so the woman fled into the wilderness for 1260 day 3 ½ years.
As soon as he knew he was cast out, he persecuted the woman for a time, and times, and half a time,3 ½ years.
This goes along with Rv11 the two end time witnesses preach for 1260 days 3 ½ years. Or 42 months 3 ½ years
And it goes along with Rv13 and he had power for 42 months 3 ½ years.
Great tribulation 3 ½ years
Red dragon the devil cast out for 3 ½ years Rv12.
I know this maybe a bit simple for some, but that’s what it says if you don’t change it.
E
we see the same, that is why the harlot is also called the woman. She has great power, even today, but must be destroyed before the beast takes power, and the serpent claims to be God himself. which would be in the middle of the week. when he places the abomination of desolation in the holy place. at which time comes great tribulation.
M
Rev 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
If we find blood of prophets and all that were slain upon the earth in her wouldn’t she have to exist from the time Cain slew Able all the way until the last person to be murdered on earth is murdered. So wouldn’t she be here through the tribulation? Won’t people be murdered during the tribulation? How can she contain the blood of all that were slain upon the earth if she does not exist while some of those murders take place?
E
The harlot is called Babylon. because it was the apostate religious system which started there. This system spread throughout the earth when Babylon was destroyed. At the time of Christ. the center of this religion was in Rome. and it is still in power today. it is the false bride. (thus the term harlot)
people will still go after children of God after the harlot is destroyed. It will just be they go in the name of the beast. not the false bride of Babylon. (paganism)
people will still go after children of God after the harlot is destroyed. It will just be they go in the name of the beast. not the false bride of Babylon. (paganism)
M
While I appreciate you giving a little info on your view that really doesn’t answer my questions. Just trying to understand how Rev18:24 can be true if she is destroyed before the tribulation (as you stated in post #11)? Won’t people be murdered during the tribulation? How can she contain the blood of all that were slain upon the earth if she does not exist while some of those murders take place?
Rev 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
Rev 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
E
1. Babylon has been killing saints since it was started. in her today is found the blood of prophets and saints,
2. Babylon is pagan worship, with all her idols and false traditions,
3. During the last 3.5 years. Only two things will be worshiped. God, of whom the other worshiped being will be killed, And the anti-Christ, or man of sin, with his false prophet. So paganism will ceast to exist. for anyone who dables in paganism will be destroyed. Thus it is logic, that God uses this beast to destroy the harlot before he claims to be God himself. For the harlot, all her kings, all her riches, all her influence. would have nothing to do with him. and would fight him, and try to take his power back (the power she has today)
2. Babylon is pagan worship, with all her idols and false traditions,
3. During the last 3.5 years. Only two things will be worshiped. God, of whom the other worshiped being will be killed, And the anti-Christ, or man of sin, with his false prophet. So paganism will ceast to exist. for anyone who dables in paganism will be destroyed. Thus it is logic, that God uses this beast to destroy the harlot before he claims to be God himself. For the harlot, all her kings, all her riches, all her influence. would have nothing to do with him. and would fight him, and try to take his power back (the power she has today)