Woman should not teach or assume authority over men (applies to secular????)
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God isn't just about Mercy and Love... He's also about Justice and Truth. Although God would prefer to see sinners be saved and turn their ways... his going to send people to hell because that's justice.
Ezekiel 18:23
Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Sovereign LORD. Rather, am I not pleased when they turn from their ways and live?
And yet they will die because God is a Just God. Justice and Truth are concepts that God does have as a priority. And the truth is that men are to lead. And I'm justified to accept and promote this in that God has clearly shown us that this is how it ought to be. Why are you promoting disobedience to God?
Romans 6:15
What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means!
You should really re-evaluate yourself. Your not doing the work of God by promoting to not follow God.
Ezekiel 18:23
Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Sovereign LORD. Rather, am I not pleased when they turn from their ways and live?
And yet they will die because God is a Just God. Justice and Truth are concepts that God does have as a priority. And the truth is that men are to lead. And I'm justified to accept and promote this in that God has clearly shown us that this is how it ought to be. Why are you promoting disobedience to God?
Romans 6:15
What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means!
You should really re-evaluate yourself. Your not doing the work of God by promoting to not follow God.
I'm not playing Lord and Master... (sigh) All I'm doing is informing you what the Lord and Master Yes.Men are to lead in the church in the home but it doesn't mean God can't also, in some more rare than not instances, USE a woman to lead . Why not? God can . And, He has in the past, He is now, and, God is in control, so, quit playing God by saying that you are able to read God's mind and say that a woman can never become a pastor.
"Well, Lord, your bible says that a bishop (or pastor) is to be the husband of one wife, that means that she can never be a pastor.'
No, it doesn't ! . I AM kindly, yet forcefully, telling you that and so is God, if you read into what I AM saying
"Well, Lord, your bible says that a bishop (or pastor) is to be the husband of one wife, that means that she can never be a pastor.'
No, it doesn't ! . I AM kindly, yet forcefully, telling you that and so is God, if you read into what I AM saying
[h=3]Ephesians 5:22-24[/h][SUP]22 [/SUP]Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. [SUP]23 [/SUP]For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body. [SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything.
What's so hard to understand... and why are you so against God's word?
Sorry you do not see what God's love is and trumps all, for God sees no man as anyone better than the other form God viewpoint and we are to renew our mindset of flesh to the Spirit of God are we not?
Therefore there is no male, female, Jew, or Greek we are all one:
1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Therefore there is no male, female, Jew, or Greek we are all one:
1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Thank you I will take that strap, feels good on my back to suffer as Christ did for all, including you, and it seems you want to be legalistic and not see from God's vantage point through Son's finished work at the cross.
Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Go ahead and see from a flesh standpoint over the Spirit of God's view, God just love you, me and all, and will straighten us out and cause us to stand in truth of God through Son period. This I know because God tells me so.
Thank you, love you God's way not man's
Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Go ahead and see from a flesh standpoint over the Spirit of God's view, God just love you, me and all, and will straighten us out and cause us to stand in truth of God through Son period. This I know because God tells me so.
Thank you, love you God's way not man's
Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
If ever I were to consider a female teacher it would have to be Elin. But I must agree with the sound Biblical points of Calmador and jkalyna
They misunderstood the truth and so Paul had to put them back under Law. to hopefully bring the truth of it all home to them, and they got it as shown in 2 Cor 7
2 Corinthians 7:8 For though I made you sorry with a letter, I do not repent, though I did repent: for I perceive that the same epistle hath made you sorry, though it were but for a season.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For, when we were come into Macedonia, our flesh had no rest, but we were troubled on every side; without were fightings, within were fears. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Nevertheless God, that comforteth those that are cast down, comforted us by the coming of Titus; [SUP]7 [/SUP]and not by his coming only, but by the consolation wherewith he was comforted in you, when he told us your earnest desire, your mourning, your fervent mind toward me; so that I rejoiced the more.
God is a God of order and harmony, for us to appreciate and love each other giving each other room to be in love as God is in love with us, shown by his amazing Mercy that I never want to take advantage of.
Hebrews 2:3 how shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
If ever I were to consider a female teacher it would have to be Elin. But I must agree with the sound Biblical points of Calmador and jkalyna
1 Corinthians 1:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
1 Corinthians 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
God's order not man's?
Listen, I understand that Love is important. I myself have argued with myself that it may even be the most fundamental concepts of all. But, you need to understand that Love isn't just abstract but its also ACTION. Its also a response. And that response will be to seek to please God and seek to follow him.
Now, I just read the previous verses on that one verse. This is about how the body of Christ, the Church. It talks about how there are different gifts in church and that even though there are different gifts given to different people... they are all one in Christ.
This doesn't support that a woman can lead our Church or lead in the Family at all.
Now, I just read the previous verses on that one verse. This is about how the body of Christ, the Church. It talks about how there are different gifts in church and that even though there are different gifts given to different people... they are all one in Christ.
This doesn't support that a woman can lead our Church or lead in the Family at all.
K
If ever I were to consider a female teacher it would have to be Elin. But I must agree with the sound Biblical points of Calmador and jkalyna
I wasn't exactly... "hitting" anyone with words but trying to correct em.
Now, I've read previous verses before ... Galatians 3:28 and didn't anything to see what exactly you meant. But, I suspect that you think since it says, "there is neither male nor female" then husband and wife don't exist? Or the order that scripture has set forth was temperory? And maybe only meant for a while... If that's the case, your absolutely wrong...
Ephesians 5:25
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her
Just as Christ loved the Church and gave himself up for her... meaning that this instruction and order was given AFTER Jesus Christ died for our sins. So, this is applicable for modern day Christians.
Also, its worth mentioning that the neither female or male exist in Christ is more reasonably a very deep thing... I think its more reasonable to say that its talking about our eternal identities... that in heaven and in eternity... well, we'd all be exactly the same in Christ. I think that makes a lot more sense.
About judgement...
John 7:24
Stop judging by mere appearances, but instead judge correctly.
While of course I don't want to put myself on God's throne... but instead I aim to abide in him and through him and his word... that's how I'll judge.. by his word, correctly. I'm looking to give you God's judgement, not mine. So, who am I... I aim to be a messenger.
Now, I've read previous verses before ... Galatians 3:28 and didn't anything to see what exactly you meant. But, I suspect that you think since it says, "there is neither male nor female" then husband and wife don't exist? Or the order that scripture has set forth was temperory? And maybe only meant for a while... If that's the case, your absolutely wrong...
Ephesians 5:25
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her
Just as Christ loved the Church and gave himself up for her... meaning that this instruction and order was given AFTER Jesus Christ died for our sins. So, this is applicable for modern day Christians.
Also, its worth mentioning that the neither female or male exist in Christ is more reasonably a very deep thing... I think its more reasonable to say that its talking about our eternal identities... that in heaven and in eternity... well, we'd all be exactly the same in Christ. I think that makes a lot more sense.
About judgement...
John 7:24
Stop judging by mere appearances, but instead judge correctly.
While of course I don't want to put myself on God's throne... but instead I aim to abide in him and through him and his word... that's how I'll judge.. by his word, correctly. I'm looking to give you God's judgement, not mine. So, who am I... I aim to be a messenger.