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Thank you for clearing that up for me sir, now I can answer your question with understanding.
I say, Jesus used His faith to perform miracles, you say, not.
I would like to show you why I say He did.
I also understand that you once believed similarly to myself and because something didn't transpire, you turned from the doctrine, or something along those lines. And because of that, you HATE the doctrine, and all who teach it. I ask that you at least look at what I write, and consider what I say. Seek God without you biased hate, and see if what I say is truth or a lie. Don't tell me you already know, because you don't.
God's promises don't work for some and not for others because God is a respecter of persons, or because He's biased.
You are not the only one who's been disappointed, or failed to receive something you wanted.
I have been there a number of times, but I don't quit, because of what is written.
Joh 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
Joh 8:32 And [then] ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Those who quit and fall away, will NOT come to know the truth. Those who continue in His word, will know it, and then after you know the truth, it is the truth itself that will MAKE you free, even as it is written, "the truth shall make you free".
I spoke with an atheist years ago, who use to be an ordained Baptist minister, both he and his wife. But because he allegedly died three times and all he saw was blackness, he stopped believing that God is.
Point being, if you go according to your experiences, or that of others, you are building your faith on the sand, and YOU WILL FALL. But if you believe what is written above every contrary situation screaming in your face, then you will be able to stand and fight the good fight of faith.
Okay, now I would like to explain what I see as misconceptions on your part and many others who believe as you do.
Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
The above verse tells you what faith is, but NOT how it works.
But there are two words I would like to expound on. One is obviously faith, and the other is hope.
The hope of the bible is not the same hope you understand.
Your understanding of hoping is the same as wishing, which is NOT the same as God's.
When you are hoping, wishing for, dreaming about, visualizing, or imagining something, and not just material things, it could be anything, in what form does it take?
If you are hoping for a job, marriage, healing, ...etc, how do you see these things?
Don't you have some kind of positive mental image of what might be or what could happen, or whatever it is you are hoping for, daydreaming about, or imagining?
What about worry or fear?
Worrying or fearing is similar to hoping and wishing, concerning the mental images, only on the negative side.
When you worry, you have a negative mental image of what something might be, or what could happen.
The bible says,
Pro 29:18 Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he.
Having a vision is like having hope.
For example, why do so many people keep playing the lottery when their chances of winning are so slim?
Because the positive mental image or vision they have of winning so much money, keeps them going back.
But, unlike faith, hoping for something is always in the future tense.
And the hope of the bible is an expecting hope, not a wishful thinking, or an, I don't know, wonder what will happen kind of thing. Every born again child of God expects to go to heaven. It is an expecting hope, that will happen some day.
The hope use is Hebrews 11 is one of envisioning, or mentally seeing, or imagining.
The faith of that hope you envision is created in the other world, or world of faith, before it materializes in the natural world.
Your faith is the thing itself you are envisioning. Your faith is the substance to that which you imagine. It is the evidence or material proof in a world you cannot see.
Where hope is always in the future tense, faith on the other hand is always in the NOW. "NOW faith IS...", or faith is now.
As in, I have it now, I am, it is, it is done, and the like.
It does not say, now faith will be some day, the substance of things hoped for, but it is now.
Faith also is a noun, and a noun is a person, place, or thing.
The KJB describes the faith as "the substance" of the things you envision or imagine in your heart or "the evidence" of things you cannot see in the natural world.
How can faith be the substance or evidence of the things you envision?
The bible says you just can't see it, but according to God's word, IT'S THERE.
When we believe we have something, before it manifests in the natural world, the substance of it is created in the world of faith, or the kingdom of heaven, even as the worlds were created in the world of faith before they materialized in the natural.
Hebrews 11 says what faith is, now let's look at how it works.
In Mk 11:24 Jesus says, "Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, believe that ye receive them, when ye pray, and ye shall have them."
I changed the order around a little for a better understanding of what Jesus is saying.
That being, ...believe you have already received the things you asked God for when you prayed and then you shall have it.
You believe when you prayed, and continue until it manifests. You do NOT believe you have received after it manifests. That is not faith, that is fact.
How can we believe we already have something we don't have yet or that hasn't been given to us yet? Jesus even says, "you SHALL have it", like some day, as in sometime in the future, but not now.
Let's look at another one.
Luk 8:18 Take heed therefore how ye hear: for whosoever hath, to him [that already has the thing he asked for] shall be given; and whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he seemeth to have.
Notice, "for whosoever hath", is in the present tense, just like in Matt and Heb.
Whatever he has "shall be given" to him someday.
Again, how can you have something now, that shall be given to you sometime in the future, or how can you not have something that you currently have, before it is taken away from you?
Because it already has been given in the other world, the world of faith, the kingdom of God/heaven.
Jesus did this every time He did a miracle.
Mar 5:39 And when he was come in, he saith unto them, Why make ye this ado, and weep? the damsel is not dead, but sleepeth.
Joh 11:11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
Joh 11:12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.
Joh 11:13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.
Joh 11:14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.
Joh 11:43 And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth.
Joh 11:44 And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go.
Luk 17:13 And they lifted up their voices, and said, Jesus, Master, have mercy on us.
Luk 17:14 And when he saw them, he said unto them, Go shew yourselves unto the priests. And it came to pass, that, as they went, they were cleansed.
Luk 17:15 And one of them, when he saw that he was healed, turned back, and with a loud voice glorified God,
Luk 17:16 And fell down on his face at his feet, giving him thanks: and he was a Samaritan.
Luk 17:17 And Jesus answering said, Were there not ten cleansed? but where are the nine?
Luk 17:18 There are not found that returned to give glory to God, save this stranger.
Luk 17:19 And he said unto him, Arise, go thy way: thy faith hath made thee whole.
Joh 2:1 And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there:
Joh 2:2 And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage.
Joh 2:3 And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.
Joh 2:4 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.
Joh 2:5 His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.
Joh 2:6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece.
Joh 2:7 Jesus saith unto them, Fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim.
Joh 2:8 And he saith unto them, Draw out now, and bear unto the governor of the feast. And they bare it.
Joh 2:9 When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew
the governor of the feast called the bridegroom, Joh 2:10 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now.
Everything Jesus did was in faith. He spoke and acted on what believed, BEFORE it came to pass. And then He told us that we could do the same to receive salvation or anything else, through the promises of His word.
Thank you for clearing that up for me sir, now I can answer your question with understanding.
I say, Jesus used His faith to perform miracles, you say, not.
I would like to show you why I say He did.
I also understand that you once believed similarly to myself and because something didn't transpire, you turned from the doctrine, or something along those lines. And because of that, you HATE the doctrine, and all who teach it. I ask that you at least look at what I write, and consider what I say. Seek God without you biased hate, and see if what I say is truth or a lie. Don't tell me you already know, because you don't.
God's promises don't work for some and not for others because God is a respecter of persons, or because He's biased.
You are not the only one who's been disappointed, or failed to receive something you wanted.
I have been there a number of times, but I don't quit, because of what is written.
Joh 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
Joh 8:32 And [then] ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Those who quit and fall away, will NOT come to know the truth. Those who continue in His word, will know it, and then after you know the truth, it is the truth itself that will MAKE you free, even as it is written, "the truth shall make you free".
I spoke with an atheist years ago, who use to be an ordained Baptist minister, both he and his wife. But because he allegedly died three times and all he saw was blackness, he stopped believing that God is.
Point being, if you go according to your experiences, or that of others, you are building your faith on the sand, and YOU WILL FALL. But if you believe what is written above every contrary situation screaming in your face, then you will be able to stand and fight the good fight of faith.
Okay, now I would like to explain what I see as misconceptions on your part and many others who believe as you do.
Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
The above verse tells you what faith is, but NOT how it works.
But there are two words I would like to expound on. One is obviously faith, and the other is hope.
The hope of the bible is not the same hope you understand.
Your understanding of hoping is the same as wishing, which is NOT the same as God's.
When you are hoping, wishing for, dreaming about, visualizing, or imagining something, and not just material things, it could be anything, in what form does it take?
If you are hoping for a job, marriage, healing, ...etc, how do you see these things?
Don't you have some kind of positive mental image of what might be or what could happen, or whatever it is you are hoping for, daydreaming about, or imagining?
What about worry or fear?
Worrying or fearing is similar to hoping and wishing, concerning the mental images, only on the negative side.
When you worry, you have a negative mental image of what something might be, or what could happen.
The bible says,
Pro 29:18 Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he.
Having a vision is like having hope.
For example, why do so many people keep playing the lottery when their chances of winning are so slim?
Because the positive mental image or vision they have of winning so much money, keeps them going back.
But, unlike faith, hoping for something is always in the future tense.
And the hope of the bible is an expecting hope, not a wishful thinking, or an, I don't know, wonder what will happen kind of thing. Every born again child of God expects to go to heaven. It is an expecting hope, that will happen some day.
The hope use is Hebrews 11 is one of envisioning, or mentally seeing, or imagining.
The faith of that hope you envision is created in the other world, or world of faith, before it materializes in the natural world.
Your faith is the thing itself you are envisioning. Your faith is the substance to that which you imagine. It is the evidence or material proof in a world you cannot see.
Where hope is always in the future tense, faith on the other hand is always in the NOW. "NOW faith IS...", or faith is now.
As in, I have it now, I am, it is, it is done, and the like.
It does not say, now faith will be some day, the substance of things hoped for, but it is now.
Faith also is a noun, and a noun is a person, place, or thing.
The KJB describes the faith as "the substance" of the things you envision or imagine in your heart or "the evidence" of things you cannot see in the natural world.
How can faith be the substance or evidence of the things you envision?
The bible says you just can't see it, but according to God's word, IT'S THERE.
When we believe we have something, before it manifests in the natural world, the substance of it is created in the world of faith, or the kingdom of heaven, even as the worlds were created in the world of faith before they materialized in the natural.
Hebrews 11 says what faith is, now let's look at how it works.
In Mk 11:24 Jesus says, "Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, believe that ye receive them, when ye pray, and ye shall have them."
I changed the order around a little for a better understanding of what Jesus is saying.
That being, ...believe you have already received the things you asked God for when you prayed and then you shall have it.
You believe when you prayed, and continue until it manifests. You do NOT believe you have received after it manifests. That is not faith, that is fact.
How can we believe we already have something we don't have yet or that hasn't been given to us yet? Jesus even says, "you SHALL have it", like some day, as in sometime in the future, but not now.
Let's look at another one.
Luk 8:18 Take heed therefore how ye hear: for whosoever hath, to him [that already has the thing he asked for] shall be given; and whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he seemeth to have.
Notice, "for whosoever hath", is in the present tense, just like in Matt and Heb.
Whatever he has "shall be given" to him someday.
Again, how can you have something now, that shall be given to you sometime in the future, or how can you not have something that you currently have, before it is taken away from you?
Because it already has been given in the other world, the world of faith, the kingdom of God/heaven.
Jesus did this every time He did a miracle.
Mar 5:39 And when he was come in, he saith unto them, Why make ye this ado, and weep? the damsel is not dead, but sleepeth.
Joh 11:11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
Joh 11:12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.
Joh 11:13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.
Joh 11:14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.
Joh 11:43 And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth.
Joh 11:44 And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go.
Luk 17:13 And they lifted up their voices, and said, Jesus, Master, have mercy on us.
Luk 17:14 And when he saw them, he said unto them, Go shew yourselves unto the priests. And it came to pass, that, as they went, they were cleansed.
Luk 17:15 And one of them, when he saw that he was healed, turned back, and with a loud voice glorified God,
Luk 17:16 And fell down on his face at his feet, giving him thanks: and he was a Samaritan.
Luk 17:17 And Jesus answering said, Were there not ten cleansed? but where are the nine?
Luk 17:18 There are not found that returned to give glory to God, save this stranger.
Luk 17:19 And he said unto him, Arise, go thy way: thy faith hath made thee whole.
Joh 2:1 And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there:
Joh 2:2 And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage.
Joh 2:3 And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.
Joh 2:4 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.
Joh 2:5 His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.
Joh 2:6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece.
Joh 2:7 Jesus saith unto them, Fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim.
Joh 2:8 And he saith unto them, Draw out now, and bear unto the governor of the feast. And they bare it.
Joh 2:9 When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew the governor of the feast called the bridegroom,
Joh 2:10 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now.
Everything Jesus did was in faith. He spoke and acted on what believed, BEFORE it came to pass. And then He told us that we could do the same to receive salvation or anything else, through the promises of His word.
I say, Jesus used His faith to perform miracles, you say, not.
I would like to show you why I say He did.
I also understand that you once believed similarly to myself and because something didn't transpire, you turned from the doctrine, or something along those lines. And because of that, you HATE the doctrine, and all who teach it. I ask that you at least look at what I write, and consider what I say. Seek God without you biased hate, and see if what I say is truth or a lie. Don't tell me you already know, because you don't.
God's promises don't work for some and not for others because God is a respecter of persons, or because He's biased.
You are not the only one who's been disappointed, or failed to receive something you wanted.
I have been there a number of times, but I don't quit, because of what is written.
Joh 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
Joh 8:32 And [then] ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Those who quit and fall away, will NOT come to know the truth. Those who continue in His word, will know it, and then after you know the truth, it is the truth itself that will MAKE you free, even as it is written, "the truth shall make you free".
I spoke with an atheist years ago, who use to be an ordained Baptist minister, both he and his wife. But because he allegedly died three times and all he saw was blackness, he stopped believing that God is.
Point being, if you go according to your experiences, or that of others, you are building your faith on the sand, and YOU WILL FALL. But if you believe what is written above every contrary situation screaming in your face, then you will be able to stand and fight the good fight of faith.
Okay, now I would like to explain what I see as misconceptions on your part and many others who believe as you do.
Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
The above verse tells you what faith is, but NOT how it works.
But there are two words I would like to expound on. One is obviously faith, and the other is hope.
The hope of the bible is not the same hope you understand.
Your understanding of hoping is the same as wishing, which is NOT the same as God's.
When you are hoping, wishing for, dreaming about, visualizing, or imagining something, and not just material things, it could be anything, in what form does it take?
If you are hoping for a job, marriage, healing, ...etc, how do you see these things?
Don't you have some kind of positive mental image of what might be or what could happen, or whatever it is you are hoping for, daydreaming about, or imagining?
What about worry or fear?
Worrying or fearing is similar to hoping and wishing, concerning the mental images, only on the negative side.
When you worry, you have a negative mental image of what something might be, or what could happen.
The bible says,
Pro 29:18 Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he.
Having a vision is like having hope.
For example, why do so many people keep playing the lottery when their chances of winning are so slim?
Because the positive mental image or vision they have of winning so much money, keeps them going back.
But, unlike faith, hoping for something is always in the future tense.
And the hope of the bible is an expecting hope, not a wishful thinking, or an, I don't know, wonder what will happen kind of thing. Every born again child of God expects to go to heaven. It is an expecting hope, that will happen some day.
The hope use is Hebrews 11 is one of envisioning, or mentally seeing, or imagining.
The faith of that hope you envision is created in the other world, or world of faith, before it materializes in the natural world.
Your faith is the thing itself you are envisioning. Your faith is the substance to that which you imagine. It is the evidence or material proof in a world you cannot see.
Where hope is always in the future tense, faith on the other hand is always in the NOW. "NOW faith IS...", or faith is now.
As in, I have it now, I am, it is, it is done, and the like.
It does not say, now faith will be some day, the substance of things hoped for, but it is now.
Faith also is a noun, and a noun is a person, place, or thing.
The KJB describes the faith as "the substance" of the things you envision or imagine in your heart or "the evidence" of things you cannot see in the natural world.
How can faith be the substance or evidence of the things you envision?
The bible says you just can't see it, but according to God's word, IT'S THERE.
When we believe we have something, before it manifests in the natural world, the substance of it is created in the world of faith, or the kingdom of heaven, even as the worlds were created in the world of faith before they materialized in the natural.
Hebrews 11 says what faith is, now let's look at how it works.
In Mk 11:24 Jesus says, "Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, believe that ye receive them, when ye pray, and ye shall have them."
I changed the order around a little for a better understanding of what Jesus is saying.
That being, ...believe you have already received the things you asked God for when you prayed and then you shall have it.
You believe when you prayed, and continue until it manifests. You do NOT believe you have received after it manifests. That is not faith, that is fact.
How can we believe we already have something we don't have yet or that hasn't been given to us yet? Jesus even says, "you SHALL have it", like some day, as in sometime in the future, but not now.
Let's look at another one.
Luk 8:18 Take heed therefore how ye hear: for whosoever hath, to him [that already has the thing he asked for] shall be given; and whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he seemeth to have.
Notice, "for whosoever hath", is in the present tense, just like in Matt and Heb.
Whatever he has "shall be given" to him someday.
Again, how can you have something now, that shall be given to you sometime in the future, or how can you not have something that you currently have, before it is taken away from you?
Because it already has been given in the other world, the world of faith, the kingdom of God/heaven.
Jesus did this every time He did a miracle.
Mar 5:39 And when he was come in, he saith unto them, Why make ye this ado, and weep? the damsel is not dead, but sleepeth.
Joh 11:11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
Joh 11:12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.
Joh 11:13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.
Joh 11:14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.
Joh 11:43 And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth.
Joh 11:44 And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go.
Luk 17:13 And they lifted up their voices, and said, Jesus, Master, have mercy on us.
Luk 17:14 And when he saw them, he said unto them, Go shew yourselves unto the priests. And it came to pass, that, as they went, they were cleansed.
Luk 17:15 And one of them, when he saw that he was healed, turned back, and with a loud voice glorified God,
Luk 17:16 And fell down on his face at his feet, giving him thanks: and he was a Samaritan.
Luk 17:17 And Jesus answering said, Were there not ten cleansed? but where are the nine?
Luk 17:18 There are not found that returned to give glory to God, save this stranger.
Luk 17:19 And he said unto him, Arise, go thy way: thy faith hath made thee whole.
Joh 2:1 And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there:
Joh 2:2 And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage.
Joh 2:3 And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.
Joh 2:4 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.
Joh 2:5 His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.
Joh 2:6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece.
Joh 2:7 Jesus saith unto them, Fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim.
Joh 2:8 And he saith unto them, Draw out now, and bear unto the governor of the feast. And they bare it.
Joh 2:9 When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew
the governor of the feast called the bridegroom, Joh 2:10 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now.
Everything Jesus did was in faith. He spoke and acted on what believed, BEFORE it came to pass. And then He told us that we could do the same to receive salvation or anything else, through the promises of His word.
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The cross did 2 things, the shed blood is for the forgiveness of SIN and he delivered us from the powers of darkness. The real victory came at the tomb when he was raised into new life.
Eternal life is that we may know God and to know Jesus whom he sent. John 17:3. Where you get this whackadoodle notion the cross gives eternal life is not from the Bible.
His divinity did not pay for your sins. His human shed blood did.
Eternal life is that we may know God and to know Jesus whom he sent. John 17:3. Where you get this whackadoodle notion the cross gives eternal life is not from the Bible.
His divinity did not pay for your sins. His human shed blood did.
Nope, you left mad. You most likely didn't get something you wanted.
You sir, either didn't read what I wrote, couldn't see it, don't know what faith is or how it works, or simply didn't understand it.
Contrary to what you say, I soooooooo proved Jesus used faith for every miracle. What do you think I emboldened and underlined in the verses I used? I have many more of course.
While I used scripture to prove Jesus used His faith for miracles, you proved nothing, used nothing, and therefore what you said amounted to nothing. Without the word of God to back up what you say, your words carry zero weight and have no authority. Any ignorant person can say, that's "not biblical" without proof.
Show me scripture where Jesus didn't use any faith to do miracles, then I will listen.
Better yet, disprove the ones I used.
You sir, either didn't read what I wrote, couldn't see it, don't know what faith is or how it works, or simply didn't understand it.
Contrary to what you say, I soooooooo proved Jesus used faith for every miracle. What do you think I emboldened and underlined in the verses I used? I have many more of course.
While I used scripture to prove Jesus used His faith for miracles, you proved nothing, used nothing, and therefore what you said amounted to nothing. Without the word of God to back up what you say, your words carry zero weight and have no authority. Any ignorant person can say, that's "not biblical" without proof.
Show me scripture where Jesus didn't use any faith to do miracles, then I will listen.
Better yet, disprove the ones I used.
I didn't leave WOF because I failed at blabbing and grabbing. I left because WOF is not Biblical. Just like there, you failed to show that the Bible says Jesus used faith to do miracles. That is because that is not a Biblical doctrine.
What, no words of wisdom saying the contrary?
No proof to the contrary?
No scripture showing Jesus didn't use faith?
Are you unable to rebut the proof I gave, with scripture?
But you were so certain, so confident, and now...... no response, with any scripture to refute or debunk what I said.
Many say WOF is not biblical, but have failed to show even a single verse of scripture in a bible, they claim to believe is their foundation of faith in Christ, that shows it's unbiblical. And yet I keep reading, "it's not biblical".
If it's not, then where's the beef that proves it's not? Where is the biblical proof?
Let every man be a liar, but God and His word be true.
I didn't leave WOF because I failed at blabbing and grabbing. I left because WOF is not Biblical. Just like there, you failed to show that the Bible says Jesus used faith to do miracles. That is because that is not a Biblical doctrine.
What, no words of wisdom saying the contrary?
No proof to the contrary?
No scripture showing Jesus didn't use faith?
Are you unable to rebut the proof I gave, with scripture?
But you were so certain, so confident, and now...... no response, with any scripture to refute or debunk what I said.
Many say WOF is not biblical, but have failed to show even a single verse of scripture in a bible, they claim to believe is their foundation of faith in Christ, that shows it's unbiblical. And yet I keep reading, "it's not biblical".
If it's not, then where's the beef that proves it's not? Where is the biblical proof?
Let every man be a liar, but God and His word be true.
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you know, as I have already demonstrated, I am not in agreement with WOF, NAR or the other cultic aberrations that have popped up and continue to pop up...itching ears are not in short supply it seems
but I gotta say dude, you are abusive and nobody is going to pay you any attention with the way you have started posting
you are making WOFers point for them with your mocking and anger
keep it up, and we will be saying ta ta to you
it is not just this thread..you perform pretty much the same in other threads as well
I know for a fact several people have told you nicely to turn off the vitriol but you do not listen...don't expect anyone to listen to someone as boorish as you are demonstrating yourself to be
you're welcome
So you are in this thread here personally attacking me now because I don't comment worship for Donald Trump on another discussion folder.
The WOF rely on arguments from silence for many of their messed up doctrines. Like, the Bible never says a Christian can't be demon possessed therefore Christians can be demon possessed. Or the Bible never says Adam didn't fly therefore Adam could fly. Now we have the one by know1 about Jesus and faith. It is an argument so irrational that it is stupid.
The WOF rely on arguments from silence for many of their messed up doctrines. Like, the Bible never says a Christian can't be demon possessed therefore Christians can be demon possessed. Or the Bible never says Adam didn't fly therefore Adam could fly. Now we have the one by know1 about Jesus and faith. It is an argument so irrational that it is stupid.
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grow up
I am not personally attacking you
I am advising you to keep your tude in check or you will get more than Iggy's list from someone who has the power to turn off your rudeness on a permanent basis
I don't care about WOF
it seems you think the world revolves around you and your opinions
we are on the same side with regards to WOF and while I do not agree with know1, I will say this much for him...he has remained consistently polite in spite of your bullying
FYI, most people complaining of being attacked...either side...either have no answer or are not used to someone calling them on the way they behave
there are some who do attack and I could name them...and their MO is reminding me of the way you operate
I am not personally attacking you
I am advising you to keep your tude in check or you will get more than Iggy's list from someone who has the power to turn off your rudeness on a permanent basis
I don't care about WOF
it seems you think the world revolves around you and your opinions
we are on the same side with regards to WOF and while I do not agree with know1, I will say this much for him...he has remained consistently polite in spite of your bullying
FYI, most people complaining of being attacked...either side...either have no answer or are not used to someone calling them on the way they behave
there are some who do attack and I could name them...and their MO is reminding me of the way you operate
Sir, your reply to my post is nonsensical.
I didn't challenge you with my last post, I prodded you into responding to the post before my last one.
You demanded I answer you, and yet you ignored my reply.
So I was asking why there was no response.
You demanded I prove my point, which I think I did, shouldn't you do the same, so your not seen as a hypocrite in the eyes of God?
I didn't challenge you with my last post, I prodded you into responding to the post before my last one.
You demanded I answer you, and yet you ignored my reply.
So I was asking why there was no response.
You demanded I prove my point, which I think I did, shouldn't you do the same, so your not seen as a hypocrite in the eyes of God?