Word of Faith Teaching question

[The_highwayman]

I am no expert on their doctrine,but MOST of it is BIBLE. so when you broad brush,you position yourself against the word.

Sorry but the "you WILL recieve" is in the bible and you guys are apparently oblivious.

I can spell it out easily. If it is in the word,I am never wrong when I agree with his word.
Simple.

What you guys do is line yourselves up against the WORD since most of their DOCTRINE is indeed biblical.

All you are doing is back peddling and ironically you are back peddling exactly what the WOFers do and teach their folks to do...Attack and attack hard and accuse everyone that they do not believe in Faith. Step 2, start claiming everyone who doe snot agree with US that they are broad brushing and position themselves against the word of God...I sat in many WOF apologetic classes, they were mandatory....

When any doctrine begins to understand the need to defend itself. and begins training its adherents with talking points..it seeks to protect pet beliefs, that usually, if not always are false teachings...

Your comments mean nothing to me, because you said:

I am no expert on their doctrine,but MOST of it is BIBLE

I sat under these fools for a year...I was fully engaged and can tell you not much of what they teach and preach lines up with the word....When the pastors and guest speakers never open or turn on a Bible and just start teaching about faith and prosperity and only vomit back pet verses, then it turns into bleating out the same ole same ole sad tiring stories of DAD hagin doing this and Dad doing that and he is the example of our Faith!

We have a problem Houston....

You might want to go sit under them as we did, before defending something as BIble you have zero clue about....WOF is a lie from hell and Hagin was the ring leader, who got checked towards the end of his life...I have read many, many books by Hagin, also mandatory if you aspire to be a WOF minister....and in all his books he praises himself over other non WOF believers constantly. He also makes it sound like if you aint US, you aint nobody...he uses only partial parts of scriptures to back up his heresy and several times buried in the details in his books, he claims the Holy ghost has supremacy over Christ....Hagin adn Rhema teach complete indoctrination of its Adherents and through DAD resources, videos, tapes, books, than the Bible

Interesting enough, I heard a former WOF top dog, who left the faith altogether state that Hagin and Copelands WOF empires was more aligned like Scientology and L. Ron Hubbard.....than Jesus Christ and his Church...

In case you missed another post I made on this OP, I talked about auditing classes at the RBTC...Not once did any of the teachers ever crack open or turn on a Bible....or base anything they taught on the Bible, just DAD's and JR's books...

ANd here you sit spewing foolishness stating WOF is backed by Bible principals, yet their Bible school and the WOF church we sat under, rarely if at all taught from the Bible....

That alone speaks volumes...

I do not make statement on Hagin's eternal destination...that is not something any of us should do...I do believe towards the end of his life he got checked really hard by God....the meeting in 1999 and the midas touch book a year later....yeah he got checked and would like to attempt to say it was others and not him fleecing people, hurting people, lying to people, but he was the father of it....obviously his last ditch effort to correct it, did not change anything....his follwoers are still out there and his top captains are still out there acting like dear ole DAD and not Jesus Christ....

If oyu are no expert and have never sat under WOF , then maybe you should speak less and listen more to those of us who have.....

 

[popeye]

Tell me what is wrong with this:

God created human beings in His literal, physical image as little gods. Before the fall, humans had the potential to call things into existence by using the faith-force. After the fall, humans took on Satan's nature and lost the ability to call things into existence. In order to correct this situation, Jesus Christ gave up His divinity and became a man, died spiritually, took Satan's nature upon Himself, went to hell, was born again, and rose from the dead with God's nature. After this, Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to replicate the Incarnation in believers so they could become little gods as God had originally intended.
As little gods we again have the ability to manipulate the faith-force and become prosperous in all areas of life. Illness, sin, and failure are the result of a lack of faith, and are remedied by confession—claiming God's promises for oneself into existence.

Link?

Where did this come from?

 

[popeye]

All you are doing is back peddling and ironically you are back peddling exactly what the WOFers do and teach their folks to do...Attack and attack hard and accuse everyone that they do not believe in Faith. Step 2, start claiming everyone who doe snot agree with US that they are broad brushing and position themselves against the word of God...I sat in many WOF apologetic classes, they were mandatory....

When any doctrine begins to understand the need to defend itself. and begins training its adherents with talking points..it seeks to protect pet beliefs, that usually, if not always are false teachings...

Your comments mean nothing to me, because you said:



I sat under these fools for a year...I was fully engaged and can tell you not much of what they teach and preach lines up with the word....When the pastors and guest speakers never open or turn on a Bible and just start teaching about faith and prosperity and only vomit back pet verses, then it turns into bleating out the same ole same ole sad tiring stories of DAD hagin doing this and Dad doing that and he is the example of our Faith!

We have a problem Houston....

You might want to go sit under them as we did, before defending something as BIble you have zero clue about....WOF is a lie from hell and Hagin was the ring leader, who got checked towards the end of his life...I have read many, many books by Hagin, also mandatory if you aspire to be a WOF minister....and in all his books he praises himself over other non WOF believers constantly. He also makes it sound like if you aint US, you aint nobody...he uses only partial parts of scriptures to back up his heresy and several times buried in the details in his books, he claims the Holy ghost has supremacy over Christ....Hagin adn Rhema teach complete indoctrination of its Adherents and through DAD resources, videos, tapes, books, than the Bible

Interesting enough, I heard a former WOF top dog, who left the faith altogether state that Hagin and Copelands WOF empires was more aligned like Scientology and L. Ron Hubbard.....than Jesus Christ and his Church...

In case you missed another post I made on this OP, I talked about auditing classes at the RBTC...Not once did any of the teachers ever crack open or turn on a Bible....or base anything they taught on the Bible, just DAD's and JR's books...

ANd here you sit spewing foolishness stating WOF is backed by Bible principals, yet their Bible school and the WOF church we sat under, rarely if at all taught from the Bible....

That alone speaks volumes...

I do not make statement on Hagin's eternal destination...that is not something any of us should do...I do believe towards the end of his life he got checked really hard by God....the meeting in 1999 and the midas touch book a year later....yeah he got checked and would like to attempt to say it was others and not him fleecing people, hurting people, lying to people, but he was the father of it....obviously his last ditch effort to correct it, did not change anything....his follwoers are still out there and his top captains are still out there acting like dear ole DAD and not Jesus Christ....

If oyu are no expert and have never sat under WOF , then maybe you should speak less and listen more to those of us who have.....

I sat under these fools for a year...I was fully engaged and can tell you not much of what they teach and preach lines up with the word.

"....not much......lines up..."
This is what I am talking about. You have to stretch the truth,for some reason,then accuse me of backpeddling.

All you are doing is back peddling and ironically you are back peddling exactly what the WOFers do and teach their folks to do...Attack and attack hard and accuse everyone that they do not believe in Faith. Step 2, start claiming everyone who doe snot agree with US that they are broad brushing and position themselves against the word of God...I sat in many WOF apologetic classes, they were mandatory...

No,not at all. You are being called on your slanderous little nonsense about "dad hagin"
Your hate for a brother and true man of God is a slime fest that apparently is effecting your ability to comprehend.

 

[popeye]

If oyu are no expert and have never sat under WOF , then maybe you should speak less and listen more to those of us who have.....

I am not WOF,but have listened to Hagin for about 40 years. He is certainly a man of God.
I defend the word of God. They hppenn to employ God's word into their teaching.
Do you think before you respond to me?
Read your posts. They are NOT SPECIFIC. They are broad brush generalizations and stereotyps of worst case scenarios.

You go out of your way to trash a ministry 100 % for the "errors" mainly invented in your mind

 

[Stephen63]

I am not WOF,but have listened to Hagin for about 40 years. He is certainly a man of God.
I defend the word of God. They hppenn to employ God's word into their teaching.
Do you think before you respond to me?
Read your posts. They are NOT SPECIFIC. They are broad brush generalizations and stereotyps of worst case scenarios.

You go out of your way to trash a ministry 100 % for the "errors" mainly invented in your mind

As an ordained Pentecostal minister for over 30 yrs., I myself investigated WOF, Hagin, & his cronies..... they are all false, & they are (were) all rich off of it. I cannot believe how you blindly believe in Hagin. Please research this for yourself, & see.

 

[The_highwayman]

I am not WOF,but have listened to Hagin for about 40 years. He is certainly a man of God.
I defend the word of God. They hppenn to employ God's word into their teaching.
Do you think before you respond to me?
Read your posts. They are NOT SPECIFIC. They are broad brush generalizations and stereotyps of worst case scenarios.

You go out of your way to trash a ministry 100 % for the "errors" mainly invented in your mind

OK, so you never were WOF, never sat under WOF pastors, never sat in a WOF church ,never been to WOF meetings, never been around WOF followers, never been on WOF missions trips, or be ingrained in the WOF culture....

So to be clear, you just listened to Ole DAD hagin and that is it?

Listening to DAD hagin and being in the movement and ingrained are 2 very different things, so do not tell me what our family experienced are broad brush generalizations and stereotyps of worst case scenarios and "errors" mainly invented in our minds.

I am not trashing a ministry, they have already trashed themselves....I will never give you specifics, because it would serve no good and you would just continue in your childish tantrum of defending Dr. Frankenstein...

WOF is false teaching....period. They prey on the weak and new babes in Christ....who are not grounded deeply in the word and are of full age...

Many WOF churches in rural areas turn over constantly, because as people mature in the word and come to full age, they see the movement for the false teachers they are, they see the lies and deception that the WOF movement is.

 

[presidente]

Tell me what is wrong with this:

God created human beings in His literal, physical image as little gods. Before the fall, humans had the potential to call things into existence by using the faith-force. After the fall, humans took on Satan's nature and lost the ability to call things into existence. In order to correct this situation, Jesus Christ gave up His divinity and became a man, died spiritually, took Satan's nature upon Himself, went to hell, was born again, and rose from the dead with God's nature. After this, Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to replicate the Incarnation in believers so they could become little gods as God had originally intended.
As little gods we again have the ability to manipulate the faith-force and become prosperous in all areas of life. Illness, sin, and failure are the result of a lack of faith, and are remedied by confession—claiming God's promises for oneself into existence.

These all seem to be WOF teachings. About the 'divinity' thing, you might find a preacher who says that just because he doesn't know what the word 'divinity' means. Do all WOFers believe all the things on the list? Does one particular one believe all those things? Could you find a quote from Copeland, if you tried, for each of those points? What about the other WOFers?

 

[Lancelot]

Kenneth Hagin wasn't a heretic. The WoF movement has had some excesses for sure, but the basic teachings aren't heresy. They believe that physical healing is in the atonement, just as the Assembly of God denomination believes. They believe that the faith confession of God's Word activates the power of God. That was also taught in the Holiness movement and the Faith Cure movement of the 19th century. In fact, that's where you'll find the thelogical roots of WoF teaching, not in the metaphysical cults that depersonalize God and teach that God is mind. They adhere to all of the essential doctrines of the Christian faith. Some of their teachings might be unorthodox or sound strange to mainstream Christianity, but that doesn't make them heresy.

 

[popeye]

So to be clear, you just listened to Ole DAD hagin and that is it?

Maybe you can talk to me without the hate and maybe you can't.

 

[popeye]

Kenneth Hagin wasn't a heretic. The WoF movement has had some excesses for sure, but the basic teachings aren't heresy. They believe that physical healing is in the atonement, just as the Assembly of God denomination believes. They believe that the faith confession of God's Word activates the power of God. That was also taught in the Holiness movement and the Faith Cure movement of the 19th century. In fact, that's where you'll find the thelogical roots of WoF teaching, not in the metaphysical cults that depersonalize God and teach that God is mind. They adhere to all of the essential doctrines of the Christian faith. Some of their teachings might be unorthodox or sound strange to mainstream Christianity, but that doesn't make them heresy.

Hagin was a good Godly man.
Sad to see some that hate a man of God for what they read from some pharasie,that hates all who operate in the gifts.

 

[Lancelot]

A lot of discussion of these issues at this site. Word of Faith | Jew & Greek